thank you to CJ Wiley for teaching, learning, growing and sharing!

[Houstoer]

Congratulations on the contracts CJ !!! Hope the endeavor is both fiscally and mentally enriching. Thanks for all the help you have provided me in over a course of a year. I'm sure I wouldn't be anywhere near the player I am now (which admittedly isn't saying much) without your teaching and mentoring. Stay cool my friend.. Aloha Ed

 

[CJ Wiley]

It's puzzling why a game so easy is made so difficult

That's right, Joey, players go their entire lives and don't "real eyes" the are defecting the cue ball right into the object ball using outside english.....and they wonder why they have to adjust to cut balls really thin.....when it's incredibly easy using 'The Touch of Inside' (TOI) - It's puzzling why a game so easy is made so difficult by some people. 'The Game is Eager to Teach'

The next time, you slightly undercut an object ball using outside spin and miss pocketing the ball, set up the exact same shot aim the same way and just use TOI (A touch of inside).

A lot of people squirt the cue ball into the object ball and undercut it when using outside english.

JoeyA

 

[CJ Wiley]

It's vitally important to direct your mind and body so they directly control the TIP

The Cue Ball is the target in pool, not the object ball, so the object ball just "reflects" how you hit the Cue Ball. Your Tip effects the Cue Ball directly, so it's vitally important to direct your mind and body in such a way that they directly control the Pool Cue Tip. The "destination target" is the pocket, so at the most advanced level the key is to somehow connect the TIP to the POCKET. This is "easier said than done" however......

There are a few ways to "aim" or "create angles" in pool. The most common one is to aim a part of the cue ball at a part of the object ball and try to hit it. This is the most common and it works, however you decide to "aim," whether by a system, by feel or by instinct.

The TOI technique I use creates angles a different way. TOI requires targeting the Cue Ball relative to a relative point on the object ball (either the edge or the center).

This means I'm not aiming at a "contact point," instead I'm CREATING the angle by moving the tip to the same side (inside) as I'm cutting the ball. If I"m cutting the ball to the right, I move the cue slightly to the right of center, if I"m cutting the ball to the left I move the tip slightly to the LEFT of center.

If you want to experiment with what I"m saying try this "for the sake of science." Put the Cue Ball on the head spot and the Object Ball on the foot spot. If you hit "center to center," with a center ball hit you will drive the OB straight into the rail and it will come back and hit the cue ball again (if hit perfectly).

Now, go down and aim it center to center again, but this time move the cue slightly to the right (MAKE sure to move the whole cue, don't "pivot" or just turn your tip). Hit the ball like you did {as if} it was straight in and it will cut the ball slightly to the right. Do it again and move the cue further to the right, hit it and you will see that it cuts the Object Ball further to the right (creating more angle).

Now set up a shot that is a slight cut, get down like it was straight in and move the cue slightly in the same direction of the cut and hit it. If you undercut the shot move over more on the cue ball, if you overcut it move over less from center.

This is how you calibrate the TOI and tune it in to start creating angles. My new video goes over this in detail and I explain things about the TOI Technique that I haven't even tried to explain in this Forum. This Technique is brutally strong and when you master it you will become a feared shotmaker. If this sounds "to good to be true," you haven't seen nothing yet. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

I would advise the younger players to do their part to promote themselves

For pool to become popular quickly, the game must take a back seat at first. The primary story needs to be about the characters involved, not the game. No game has a draw without the personalities leading the way. History backs that up 100%.

When I was playing full time there were several of us that promoted in our own areas of the country (and some nation/world wide), Jeanette Lee, Vivian, Allison, Sigel, Hopkins, Hall, Miz, Archer, Davenport, Varner, West, Martin, Wilson, and of course Keith M. and several others were in 'The Color of Money' , ' The Baltimore Bullet' and even 'Pool Hall Junkies'.

There's no doubt what Mosconi and Fats did in, and as a result of the movie 'The Hustler'....however, even without movies it's VITALLY IMPORTANT to do press releases to local magazines, newspapers, and local news TV Stations.

I would advise the younger players to do their part to promote themselves, and if you have any questions on how to get started or need advise on how to write the press releases contact me anytime....I can ALWAYS be reached on Face Book via Private Message....or email me at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com - www.cjwiley.com

 

[CJ Wiley]

"training device" to build a powerful pool stoke is a 20 pound sword...it's Awesome!!

I have successfully used the dagger style stroke on several shots. Thanks CJ.

The "dagger style," that does sound like a weapon....and as many know my favorite "training device" to build a powerful pool stoke is a 20 pound sword...it's Awesome!!!

In all fairness, when discussing things that are "outside the norm" it usually takes a variety or combination of explanations before it's truly understood. I take it for granted since, in person I have a mental list of 3 themes of explanations, and a few variations of specific details that are proven (in my experience) to get someone in the "understanding mode" quickly.

With that being said, allow me to answer your questions.

I have heard other players compare my grip to the "V Grip", I know Mr. Brett, but don't know what he teaches. If there are similarities in my grip and the movement I suggest with the wrist/fingers I wouldn't be surprised, and like all my techniques they are what I personally use and have found to be the most effective.

I know my grip has been questioned and talked about, and I did go over it in my original 'Ultimate Pool Secrets' using a sword, however I resisted going into great detail.

Concerning firmness: I practice on both ends of the spectrum in this respect. I will squeeze the cue, cock it and play with a firm grip and sometimes I only use two fingers (using thumb/first two fingers) with a very light grip pressure if I'm working on Touch/Finesse/Feel shots.

I play with a firm, controlled pressure, that gives {ME} the ideal balance between power and touch. I use the same pressure when playing golf or tennis as well and played all three games at the same time for several years when in my early teenage years (although I played golf left handed).

I cock my wrist on all shots, and just less on finesse or slow rolled shots. However, my main objective, in Buddy Hall fashion is to hit most shots the same speed and as in my example cock up to eye level from my hip. Then I take my practice stokes BEFORE I get down on the shot, not after.

My main objective is to cock my wrist/fingers in such a way to create a track/slot that makes it virtually impossible to not hit the cue ball straight.

Yes, the stroke (for me) is a pushing motion that extends the tip through the cue ball. When players on here talk about pulling the cue they lose me because I can't relate to that at all. Notice I don't tell them they are full of "BS", "crazy", "trying to con people" "say they are talking nonsense", I JUST simply am "quietly confused" and can't relate to why they play in that way.

The TOUCH of Inside technique I have explained in many ways. First off, I DO NOT spin the cue ball, I just "cue it" to the inside. This creates a situation that slightly overcuts the object ball. When combined with this "Wrist/Finger Stroke" it is DEADLY ACCURATE and expands the Pocket Zone by an impressive margin. Someone that aims at the center of the pocket and uses center ball can't win with the 5/7 playing 9 Ball.

I'm not boasting, just stating a fact, when you learn to use the 3 Part Pocket System and look at the pocket as a Zone (and learn to pre set your hand so you hit the cue ball straight every time), the Game changes and becomes possible to play without error for hours at a time.

I'm not claiming to be "better" than the players {on this Forum} that don't understand my techniques, I'm simply playing a different Game than they are. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[His Boy Elroy]

A few weeks ago in the instructors forum you wrote about your grip and compared its effectiveness to that of a surgeons scalpel. I almost fell off the chair. I didn't post anything because I've bought DVD's from you, I know you have my name and address, and I fear there will be repercussions if every time you have a thought I tell you I've already had that same, exact thought.

Nevertheless; here goes........my focus is on the pad on the first finger between the knuckle in the middle of the finger and the knuckle opposite the palm. The only role of the thumb is to press the cue against that pad. At that point, I try my best to forget that both the finger from the middle knuckle to the tip and the thumb even exist. I pretend that the cue is glued to that pad. I then move the cue forward, controlled by that pad on the first finger, and I try to move the cue as straight as a surgeon would a scalpel.

This is something I've only come to recently, (I SWEAR - BEFORE I READ YOU'RE POST!) but it's a fabulous sensation when I get it right.

 

[Mikjary]

A few weeks ago in the instructors forum you wrote about your grip and compared its effectiveness to that of a surgeons scalpel. I almost fell off the chair. I didn't post anything because I've bought DVD's from you, I know you have my name and address, and I fear there will be repercussions if every time you have a thought I tell you I've already had that same, exact thought.

Nevertheless; here goes........my focus is on the pad on the first finger between the knuckle in the middle of the finger and the knuckle opposite the palm. The only role of the thumb is to press the cue against that pad. At that point, I try my best to forget that both the finger from the middle knuckle to the tip and the thumb even exist. I pretend that the cue is glued to that pad. I then move the cue forward, controlled by that pad on the first finger, and I try to move the cue as straight as a surgeon would a scalpel.

This is something I've only come to recently, (I SWEAR - BEFORE I READ YOU'RE POST!) but it's a fabulous sensation when I get it right.

That's pretty much the grip I've been using. If the cue sits further into my palm, the wrist isn't as stable. I've never thought about using it for slicing and dicing.:grin-square:

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

Like many sports and art forms pocket billiards requires excellent hand & footwork

The cue must stay on a "track" (like a train track) or you might even call it a "slot or groove" that doesn't deviate left or right (although it may go up and down). When this is developed it has a very positive side-effect....you will hit the cue ball very accurately and your shot making ability will improve instantly.

I use a heavy sword to train students how to do this and assist them in learning how the wrist and fingers work together to greatly enhance {pool} cue acceleration. From my experience this is the quickest way to raise someone's level of play, and it always originates in the hand motion and the feet position (relative to the line of the shot).

Like many sports and art forms pocket billiards requires accomplished hand and feet techniques. Without this knowledge and understanding it's impossible to build an accomplished game.....like any structure, the pool player's body structure is only as good as the core foundation..... in pool this is the feet, which directly effects the rest of the body's angles, and ultimately the positioning needed to create a powerful stroke.

A few weeks ago in the instructors forum you wrote about your grip and compared its effectiveness to that of a surgeons scalpel. I almost fell off the chair. I didn't post anything because I've bought DVD's from you, I know you have my name and address, and I fear there will be repercussions if every time you have a thought I tell you I've already had that same, exact thought.

Nevertheless; here goes........my focus is on the pad on the first finger between the knuckle in the middle of the finger and the knuckle opposite the palm. The only role of the thumb is to press the cue against that pad. At that point, I try my best to forget that both the finger from the middle knuckle to the tip and the thumb even exist. I pretend that the cue is glued to that pad. I then move the cue forward, controlled by that pad on the first finger, and I try to move the cue as straight as a surgeon would a scalpel.

This is something I've only come to recently, (I SWEAR - BEFORE I READ YOU'RE POST!) but it's a fabulous sensation when I get it right.

 

[His Boy Elroy]

Yeah; I'm learning about the importance of the feet. I've been placing them exactly where you instruct on "inside secrets." I didn't really go about it diligently for 3 weeks as you suggest. That doesn't work for me. I was more non-chalant and placed them approximately at the proper place without worrying about being perfect. Eventually, the feet began to find the right places by themselves.

Now, I can just walk up and the feet just know where to go without me thinking about it. The only thing I have to be diligent about is remembering to bend the knees. I probably bend them more than you do. When I play other sports I many times wish I was taller than 5 ' 7 and weighed more than 145 - not when I play pool! I think my dimensions fit this game well.

I'm beginning to feel that sensation you talk about where, although the arm and cue are at the side of the body there's something emanating, or a connection, between the center of the torso and the line of the shot. When this is established the arm, wrist, and hand enter that "track" you just talked about. I can't achieve that torso connection without bending my knees and sometimes I have to play around with the left foot; either widening the stance or elongating it while still keeing it parallel with the shot line, until that connection is made.

Also; I sometimes have to look down and check that my knee is on a straight line with the middle of my foot. Sometimes I can get a little twisted and my knee will drift off past the inside of my foot.

All of this being said; If all I concentrate on is form, I miss often. There was an interesting thread awhile back about players with great looking form who can't make 2 foot, straight in shots. Seems everyone who hangs out at a poll room knows a guy like that. Fran Crimmi, along with others, couldn't understand. She insisted that if proper form is used, a player shouldn't miss such shots. I'm with the guys who believe such a condition exists.

As I've said before, I believe that success in shot making necessitates,to a large extent, a mindset that embraces Vaudville - like entertainment such as juggling or plate - spinning. This mindset must be balanced with a mindset that embraces the artistry and perfect form of snooker. Concentrating on only one to the exclusion of the other gets me nowhere. The key lies in finding that perfect balance.

I don't believe that anyone has in - born talent in shot - making. Mosconi must have had in - born talent in speed control, recognizing patterns, etc., otherwise he wouldn't have been running racks after racks at 7 years old. I believe shot - making is all about intellectual discoveries. Anyone with decent hand - eye coordition can hop on board. I don't know anything about Zen or meditation or some other things you bring to the table, but I love it when you talk about such things and how they relate to shot - making because you recognize pool shot - making for what it is; an intellectual "tour de force"- and at the end of the day it all comes down to is discovering that "PERFECT BALANCE!

 

[CJ Wiley]

Thanks to everyone in Shreveport and those that supported the tournament,

I also started playing when 7 years old and was the best player in my town around 9 or 10....the game was just part of me from the very beginning, I think it may have just been "luck," or "in the stars" for some of us to be child prodigies (like Keith McCready,Willie Mosconi, Hoppe, Balukus, Strickland, Archer, etc).

I just got back from a hectic two day, two tournament marathon in Shreveport. There were signs I was going to hit a really high gear, just didn't quite "tune in" at the right times.

The tournaments were fun though, and after 36 hours with very little sleep I was lucky to win the 8 Ball, and could only manage 4th place in the 9 Ball (bar tables).

Thanks to everyone in Shreveport and those that supported the tournament, I look forward to attending the next one if a few months.

I don't believe that anyone has in - born talent in shot - making. Mosconi must have had in - born talent in speed control, recognizing patterns, etc., otherwise he wouldn't have been running racks after racks at 7 years old. I believe shot - making is all about intellectual discoveries. Anyone with decent hand - eye coordination can hop on board. I don't know anything about Zen or meditation or some other things you bring to the table, but I love it when you talk about such things and how they relate to shot - making because you recognize pool shot - making for what it is; an intellectual "tour de force"- and at the end of the day it all comes down to is discovering that "PERFECT BALANCE!

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[His Boy Elroy]

If I can expound a bit on my comments about the mindset of a Vaudville type entertainer and pool shot making.....A big part of shot making is "TIP." By that I mean; getting a feel for the cue ball with the tip and spinning the cue ball with the tip. In fact, I was wrong when I said a big part of shot making is "TIP." "TIP" is more than a big part. It's everything!!

When using T.O.I., provided the cue ball is a few inches off the cushion and the cut is 30 degrees or less, I can make the shot everytime if I put the right tip action on the cue ball. When I put tip action on the cue ball I feel I have a kinship with jugglers and plate spinners of the world. We're displaying skills that spring from a similiar mindset.

I then find myself at times, shooting with one hand or with one hand behind my back in an effort to both entertain myself and prove that this shotmaking is all "TIP." I hope I can be excused. Jugglers and plate spinners like to entertain not only others, but themselves.
The problem is; although if I put the right tip action on the cue ball while shooting with one hand, it often goes in, it's hard balancing a 19 ounce cue with one hand.

I realize now I'll make balls much more often if I start using proper form in order to balance the cue. I still believe it's all "TIP" - put the right tip action on the ball and it goes in - put the wrong tip action on the ball and it won't go in; however, If I don't balance the cue every time, I obviously won't be able to put the right tip action on the cue ball every time. The thing is; I don't want to work on balancing the cue because I'm in an entertainer's mindset and I want to do what entertainers do - SHOW OFF - if only to myself! So I want to keep shooting one-handed shots behind my back

I go back to using proper form anyway. When I work on form I feel like an artist. The arm wrist and hand start working together, then they synchronize with the feet if the feet are positioned properly. The pool stroke can be a thing of beauty. It's a real thing of beauty if you watch C.J Wiley's girlfriend play. I used to watch her on you tube before I forgot what her name was. Anyhow; when I work on form and start feeling like an artist, problems arise.

It becomes difficult for me to recall the mindset of the entertainer when I'm thinking like an artist. I can only put the right "TIP" on the ball when I'm thinking like an entertainer, and as I think I've already said, "TIP" is everything! On the other hand, I don't have the opportunity to put the right "TIP" on the cue ball if I don't think like an artist and balance the cue. Hence; MY DILEMMA!

How do I produce a compatibility with and a balance between my entertainer's mindset and my artist's mindset? As I said; this shot making business is an intellectual "tour de force." It's still all "TIP though!.....I'm working on this. I'll let everyone know how it works out. If, in an effort to avoid reading further accounts you feel an urge to place me on your "ignore" list immediately......I understand.

 

[CJ Wiley]

The best "TIP" you'll ever need.

You are right, the TIP (Touch of Inside Pivot) is everything.....well, it can be anyway.

One thing that's almost "supernatural," is if you touch the actual tip by squeezing it in your bridge hand BEFORE you go down to shoot you will feel the cue ball more intensely.

This is a little "secret" to maximizing your touch and feel, especially under pressure.

If I can expound a bit on my comments about the mindset of a Vaudville type entertainer and pool shot making.....A big part of shot making is "TIP." By that I mean; getting a feel for the cue ball with the tip and spinning the cue ball with the tip. In fact, I was wrong when I said a big part of shot making is "TIP." "TIP" is more than a big part. It's everything!!

When using T.O.I., provided the cue ball is a few inches off the cushion and the cut is 30 degrees or less, I can make the shot everytime if I put the right tip action on the cue ball. When I put tip action on the cue ball I feel I have a kinship with jugglers and plate spinners of the world. We're displaying skills that spring from a similiar mindset.

I then find myself at times, shooting with one hand or with one hand behind my back in an effort to both entertain myself and prove that this shotmaking is all "TIP." I hope I can be excused. Jugglers and plate spinners like to entertain not only others, but themselves.
The problem is; although if I put the right tip action on the cue ball while shooting with one hand, it often goes in, it's hard balancing a 19 ounce cue with one hand.

I realize now I'll make balls much more often if I start using proper form in order to balance the cue. I still believe it's all "TIP" - put the right tip action on the ball and it goes in - put the wrong tip action on the ball and it won't go in; however, If I don't balance the cue every time, I obviously won't be able to put the right tip action on the cue ball every time. The thing is; I don't want to work on balancing the cue because I'm in an entertainer's mindset and I want to do what entertainers do - SHOW OFF - if only to myself! So I want to keep shooting one-handed shots behind my back

I go back to using proper form anyway. When I work on form I feel like an artist. The arm wrist and hand start working together, then they synchronize with the feet if the feet are positioned properly. The pool stroke can be a thing of beauty. It's a real thing of beauty if you watch C.J Wiley's girlfriend play. I used to watch her on you tube before I forgot what her name was. Anyhow; when I work on form and start feeling like an artist, problems arise.

It becomes difficult for me to recall the mindset of the entertainer when I'm thinking like an artist. I can only put the right "TIP" on the ball when I'm thinking like an entertainer, and as I think I've already said, "TIP" is everything! On the other hand, I don't have the opportunity to put the right "TIP" on the cue ball if I don't think like an artist and balance the cue. Hence; MY DILEMMA!

How do I produce a compatibility with and a balance between my entertainer's mindset and my artist's mindset? As I said; this shot making business is an intellectual "tour de force." It's still all "TIP though!.....I'm working on this. I'll let everyone know how it works out. If, in an effort to avoid reading further accounts you feel an urge to place me on your "ignore" list immediately......I understand.

T.I.P. Banking Secrets
Creating Angles for Position Play, Safeties, and Kicking
43 Chapters - Below are just a few:

Developing Touch and Feel for Banks
How the TIP Relates to the Diamonds
Determining Speed, Angles, and Cue-Ball Target
The Transition Point of Alignment
"Crossing" Banks with the TOI
Cue-Ball Control on Difficult Banks
How to Pivot Property
Extreme English Banks
Pinning Three Rail Banks
The Ultimate Banking Drill
Judging "Off Angle" Banks

 

[His Boy Elroy]

I'm serious with the "TIP" post. I'm fully cognizant that I lose folks with my posts and I've stated many times that not only do I not mind being placed on poster's "ignore lists but that I fully encourage the practice.

As I mentioned in post #109, there was an interesting thread a while back about how there seems to be one guy in every pool room who has perfect form but can't make a shot to save his life. Posters were wondering how this could be. For an answer to this all you have to do is ask the flip side question. How is it that some guys play well one - handed?

The answer is: they have great "TIP" feel. In fact, all they're doing is using "TIP." They're making balls ONLY by hitting the balls with a certain "touch" that only those with a great "TIP" feel possess. That guy in the pool room with great form is missing balls because he has very poor "TIP" feel.

Great form and great "TIP" feel are completely independant qualities, meaning in the process of learning proper form a player will not necessarily learn anything about "TIP" feel. If a player learns "TIP" feel by playing with one hand, he certainly will not learn anything about proper form. The two qualities must, however, depend on ieach other in order to produce an effective stroke.

So; If a player with great form but no "TIP" feel plays poorly, and a player with no form but great "TIP" feel plays well with one hand, what does that tell you? It tells you that although both form and "TIP" feel are needed to produce a stroke that will successfully pocket balls, "TIP" feel is the dominant quality. Proper form is the submissive quality.

When I play with one hand I'm most successful when I play with a certain attitude, or mindset. As I said, It's the same type of mindset a juggler or a plate - spinner possess. One - handed pool players and jugglers are drawing water from the same well the same way an opera singer and a ballet dancer are drawing water from the same well.

So now let's stop playing with one hand and start using proper form. Let's forget about that "artists" stuff I was talking about last night. (hey - I'm trying!) Let's just say that proper form requires formality, precision, and, well - properness. It requires an attitude, or mindset of a surgeon.

Now; as we've established. ( some of you may be chuckling at that!) As I established, (more chuckling!) As I opined earlier, the "TIP" feel is dominant and the form is submissive; therefore, when executing a pool stroke the mindset of a Vaudville type entertainer is dominant and the mindset of a surgeon is submiissive. Let's take that a little further and state that when shooting at a pool ball a player should first and foremost possess the mindset of a Vaudville - type entertainer

Proper form should certainly be learned and learned well, but it should be learned to the point where a player should not have to focus on it. Learning form obviously requires much focus at first, but it should be learned with such repetition to a point where the player can just step in and get down properly without having to focus on the task. A Good player should not be focusing on form. That will require the mindset of a serious surgeon which will suppress the entertainers mindset, which is the mindset that is needed to most successfully bring out "TIP" feel in a player. At the end of the day, form takes a back seat to "TIP" feel.

I'M DEAD SERIOUS! STOP LAUGHING! THIS TOOK A LONG TIME TO WRITE! HEY - LOOK IT UP! ALMOST ALL OF WILLIE MOSCONI'S EXTENDED FAMILY WERE VAUDVILLE PERFORMERS! STOP LAUGHING!

 

[CJ Wiley]

Babe Ruth and a few others were noteworthy examples of this in baseball.

I think you make some good points, and when pool does appear in the public spotlight again it will certainly be because of some key performances. The game has lost momentum and won't be able to recuperate without some character enhancement. Despite what a few people think it's the personalities of the sports figures that started other game's momentum.

Babe Ruth and a few others were noteworthy examples of this in baseball.....it's truly a miracle that baseball became "America's game," if it was any more boring they'd have to call it "farming". LoL (I think Bill M. might have said that)

I'M DEAD SERIOUS! STOP LAUGHING! THIS TOOK A LONG TIME TO WRITE! HEY - LOOK IT UP! ALMOST ALL OF WILLIE MOSCONI'S EXTENDED FAMILY WERE VAUDVILLE PERFORMERS! STOP LAUGHING!

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[His Boy Elroy]

I think you make some good points, and when pool does appear in the public spotlight again it will certainly be because of some key performances. The game has lost momentum and won't be able to recuperate without some character enhancement. Despite what a few people think it's the personalities of the sports figures that started other game's momentum.

Babe Ruth and a few others were noteworthy examples of this in baseball.....it's truly a miracle that baseball became "America's game," if it was any more boring they'd have to call it "farming". LoL (I think Bill M. might have said that)

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You have to watch baseball with the right mindset. Why did Jay Leno's show bomb when they switched it to 10:00 PM E.S.T - 9.00 PM C.S.T. Because viewers at that time want something that will command their full attention. They want drama, comedy, etc. Shows llike Leno's are like night lights. No one sits there and watches them intently. It's something to have on while you read the paper. If something good happens, you lift your eyes from the paper for awhile and watch. Viewers didn't want their night light switched on that early.

Baseball is the late night talk show of sports. Although they don't play it late at night you're not supposed to sit there and watch the action intently as you would football, basketball, or hockey. That's why they call it a past time; and when it's time to look up from whatever you're doing, it can be RIVETING! .....I'm somewhat shocked there Mr. C.J.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Numbers create emotional attachment (in people's minds),

I'm not picking on baseball, it's a great game and I played the game obsessively growing up.....however, we went our separate ways many years ago.

There must be an emotional attachment for me to watch baseball, either by betting or personally knowing one or more of the participants......this is a personal choice.

People are naturally more involved in sports if there's a critical situation -----> 4th down and 3 yards with 17 seconds on the clock, down by 2 points on the 42 yard line.

Numbers create emotional attachment (in people's minds), either by statistics, time, money, positioning, distance, etc. Pool is getting ready to join the other sports and create the emotional attachment it needs to put it back on the spotlight again.....it's now just a matter of time. 'The Game is the Teacher'



You have to watch baseball with the right mindset. Why did Jay Leno's show bomb when they switched it to 10:00 PM E.S.T - 9.00 PM C.S.T. Because viewers at that time want something that will command their full attention. They want drama, comedy, etc. Shows llike Leno's are like night lights. No one sits there and watches them intently. It's something to have on while you read the paper. If something good happens, you lift your eyes from the paper for awhile and watch. Viewers didn't want their night light switched on that early.

Baseball is the late night talk show of sports. Although they don't play it late at night you're not supposed to sit there and watch the action intently as you would football, basketball, or hockey. That's why they call it a past time; and when it's time to look up from whatever you're doing, it can be RIVETING! .....I'm somewhat shocked there Mr. C.J.[/QUOTE]

 

[SJDinPHX]

I'm not picking on baseball, it's a great game and I played the game obsessively growing up.....however, we went our separate ways many years ago. There must be an emotional attachment for me to watch baseball, either by betting or personally knowing one or more of the participants......this is a personal choice.

Numbers create emotional attachments (in people's minds), either by statistics, time, money, positioning, distance, etc. Pool is getting ready to join the other sports and create the emotional attachment it needs to put it back on the spotlight again.....it's now just a matter of time. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Baseball is the late night talk show of sports. Although they don't play it late at night you're not supposed to sit there and watch the action intently as you would football, basketball, or hockey. That's why they call it a passtime; and when it's time to look up from whatever you're doing, it can be RIVETING! .....I'm somewhat shocked there Mr. C.J. (I agree with 'His Boy Elroy'..SJD)

CJ..You make a few good points..But most of your rhetoric, is simply geared too much to your interpretation of the subleties (ie; finer points) of the game !..Your main group of fan's are, (for the most part) fairly new to the game, and thats fine !..You have amassed a very good record in your career, and I cannot fault you for taking advantage of that.

However, those of us who know where you are coming from, 'real-eyes' you are just trying to convince newer, inexperienced players, that TOI is God's gift to pool !..I'm sorry, but ANY GOOD player, worth his salt, KNOWS that "TOI", and the "3 part pocket system", while they may be used occasionaly, are totally unnecessary to becoming a world class player !..For proof, all you need to do is realize how many world class player's, do NOT subscribe to your findings !...TOI is actually used very little, in "real game" situations, and is totally unnecessary, unless called for to get position !

It don't make you a bad guy,...It just makes you another EX-pro, trying to capitalize on his SECRET method of becoming a top notch pool player..Most of the better player's, do not care to spend the time and effort, trying to explain why they are successful !..If they did, very few would espouse to your 'TOI' theory...That includes your hero Earl, who rarely uses the same english twice, in one game ! :sorry:

PS..I wish you all the best with your ideas on how to bring pool to the entertainment forefront.......But puhleeeeze, you don't need 'TOI' to do that !

SJD

PS..I once played a pretty fair game of pool myself, and I may have used 'TOI' once an hour !..Most good players tend to avoid 'inside english' unless absolutely necessary...'Common sense is the teacher' !

 

[GoldenFlash]

CJ..
However, those of us who know where you are coming from, 'real-eyes' you are just trying to convince newer, inexperienced players, that TOI is God's gift to pool !..I'm sorry, but ANY GOOD player, worth his salt, KNOWS that "TOI", and the "3 part pocket system", while they may be used occasionaly, are totally unnecessary to becoming a world class player !..For proof, all you need to do is realize how many world class player's, do NOT subscribe to your findings !...TOI is actually used very little, in "real game" situations, and is totally unnecessary, unless called for to get position !
It don't make you a bad guy,...It just makes you another EX-pro, trying to capitalize on his SECRET method of becoming a top notch pool player..Most of the better player's, do not care to spend the time and effort, trying to explain why they are successful !..If they did, very few would espouse to your 'TOI' theory ! (that includes your hero, Earl). :sorry:
SJD
PS.."Common sense is the teacher"..I play (played) a pretty fair game of pool, and I may have used 'TOI' once an hour !

Can you do this?
If not, stay in your chair ,talk to the railbirds and the pool room detectives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMB-Q-KbwX0&feature=player_detailpage

 

[SJDinPHX]

Can you do this?
If not, stay in your chair ,talk to the railbirds and the pool room detectives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMB-Q-KbwX0&feature=player_detailpage

I see you are one of the "newer, inexperienced players", who is easily impressed !.. FYI, I have probably done it hundreds of times, over the years....I just never felt the need to film it, so I could make an impression on all you railbirds and pool detectives !

SJD

PS..Maybe you should ask CJ, how many times he thinks I may have done it ? Or you could ask Spider or Barton....
..Let me give you a hint,...I have run all 15 balls, in ONE POCKET, numerous times !

PPS..By the way, I got ya by 5 yrs. in the 'old man' department..(80 in Sept.) Peace; I don't need no flamin' !

 

[Old Nine Baller]

However, those of us who know where you are coming from, 'real-eyes' you are just trying to convince newer, inexperienced players, that TOI is God's gift to pool !..I'm sorry, but ANY GOOD player, worth his salt, KNOWS that "TOI", and the "3 part pocket system", while they may be used occasionaly, are totally unnecessary to becoming a world class player !..For proof, all you need to do is realize how many world class player's, do NOT subscribe to your findings !...TOI is actually used very little, in "real game" situations, and is totally unnecessary, unless called for to get position !

SJD

PS..I once played a pretty fair game of pool myself, and I may have used 'TOI' once an hour !..Most good players tend to avoid 'inside english' unless absolutely necessary...'Common sense is the teacher' ! [/B]

Can you do this?
If not, stay in your chair ,talk to the railbirds and the pool room detectives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMB-Q-KbwX0&feature=player_detailpage

GoldenFlash,

If you think running 15 balls in 6 pockets with BIH after the break is some type of accomplishment, well, you should just stay in your chair, talk to the railbirds and the poolroom detectives.

You clearly know nothing at all about pool and know even less about how SJD played.

ONB