I enjoy trying new things
I also like to see what all the fuss is about, and as of yet haven't found one that matches up to relying on experience. And many in fact work because you adjust based on previous experience.
The Grip
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I also like to see what all the fuss is about, and as of yet haven't found one that matches up to relying on experience. And many in fact work because you adjust based on previous experience.
I guess you are referring to rotation when you say pool. Snooker and rotation are miles apart, try comparing 14.1 or straight pool to snooker and both are played in a small section of the table. Difference being, that small area is larger on a snooker table ;-)
Pidge and mark187187 , i will tell you a little secret! i implemented a change in my game two days ago, and last night, my pocketing accuracy jumped 10 folds; none of what i implements has been mentioned anywhere on AZB or Google, seriously. My pool friends yesterday asked, did you take weed before i went to pool hall, that good! i did miss few shots though and i know why!
Also, i shot the best snooker practice ever, i am documenting all and i will hope one day to learn accurate pattern play, of which what requires lots of practice..No i will not tell what i did!
So you are on here asking questions that you expect answers to, but are not willing to share with the forum something that may be of help to someone else?
I hope you realize how this comes across?
TheThaiger
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I enjoy trying new things
But they pale into insignificance when compared to cueing. I don't think good players should give them the oxygen of publicity. I feel its Holocaust-denial terroritory.
Dribbling on about only one way to hold a piece of wood is on the same plain.
Its swings and round about. Some people can hit a little ball very straight but can't see the shot line for the life in them, so an aiming system would help them out. Others can't hit little ball straight, but can see the shot line crystal clear, so working in cueing...and holding a piece of wood, would benefit them more.
Reminds me of an ad on the radio for a hotel, they say (we will treat you like you treat you!), i failed in this department, still under development stages and to be proved under harsh conditions. If you read my previous posts on this thread i said, just came up with it two days or so ago, and will not be able to explain it in writing, a bit complicated, to video tap and publish it requires a lot of time and effort not doing that! worst of course keeping up with honey due list! Sorry.
TheThaiger
Banned
And ends.
Disagree with pidge - there's not a good player in history that has struggled with aiming on any level. Cannot aim, cannot play: not now, not ever. Hit the CB good and you WILL hit the OB good.
I can only suppose that you were doing something very wrong for your game to improve so drastically in 2 days- were you playing with the wrong end of the cue?
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The truth is i have been trying for last 37 years to pocket balls, do superb at pool some times, some times not so great, but suck miserably at snooker (even easy fff shots) on and off more often, my mission for last few years is to find why! i would find something, go to play money game it fails, back to drawing board, done this many times, i feel this time is the real deal--- i hope! Will see, it is only a game after all, but killing and exhausting my ffff curiosity!
Obviously no good player has struggled with aiming...hence why they're good. But for your average club player, or a youngster starting out aiming system could be a way to get them to the line of the shot and eventually they will have hit so many balls with their system that they start seeing the shot line.
That's how I started out. I was taught fractional overlaps. Eventually id start seeing the shot line without thinking what overlap it was.
If you've been playing so long, and havent had the success in snooker then you are either being intimidated by the size and difference in tables and snatching at shots....which many do when they move to a larger table or you never had a stroke in the first place.
Sorry Pidge, correction, playing pool for 37 years, snooker, played it for 3 years back in 1986; and started back up a year or so ago.
I would miss easy cut angles in snooker where i have slightly more than a ball width, no more, last night was a huge eye opener, completely and totally unique experience, ran many balls at snooker table never happened before!
I cut shots in pool that are close to 90 degree from 5 & 6 diamonds away few times (without english assist), long combo shots!
I say unique to me, never seen explained or describe anywhere, and i am an AZB addict and i can tell you i look and read about every post that has technical title! maybe used at the elite snooker & pool schools, not sure.
I have to guard against what i wrote, even though i believe it was never been written, or talked about, but it is so complicated that some steps being used might have been explained separately and maybe not, but combining the few steps in such a way to create repeatable and known procedure to execute a shot accurately especially in snooker is a breathtaking..
Please Pidge and Mark! lets distinguish the following:
1- Pocketing balls
2- Position
3- Pattern seeing
4- Luck
In Pool, # 1,2 are much easier than snooker (due to the pocket corners not round)
In snooker and pool, to be ok player you need # 1 and 2
To be a pro in both , you need 1, 2 and 3; with # 3 unique for all games, then the more experience in such game will make you better player, snooker or pool
You need all 4 to win tournaments.
Last but not least! pocketing balls alone will never win you any games! But it is the way to it..
I added later:
That is why i play one pocket, have had bad stroke!
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Well....
Here are my thoughts on grip, what I use and have used etc...
There can be a great variety of grips that work equally well. The key to success IMO is letting the weight of the cue do the work.
Once you start trying to force the cue through the ball, you can introduce all sorts of bad things that become difficult to isolate and correct.
I invented a device I call "The Perfect Grip". It isn't available on the market yet though (if it even will be) I had shown it to a few players, Max Eberle was interested in the concept when I first showed him.
I was still toying with whether to do them custom for each player or a generic or making both available.
It has since gone on the back burner with all of the other projects I've been working on.
Basically what it is is a form fitted device to a person's hand (thumb and first two fingers, although it can be made to the person's whole grip hand if desired) that is slightly larger than a cue with foam inserts on the inside.
It can close fully around the cue and the foam grips the cue but allows some movement even when gripped tightly.
This way a player can use a firm grip but the weight of the cue still does the work.
The prototype that I had been playing with was lost or stolen and I haven't had the time to make another one for now.
Anyways, the grip that I currently use is that I point my thumb straight down and and grip it between my first and middle finger.
This creates a "V" or triangle where the three digits come together and I let the cue rest in this crook.
by gripping my thumb with my first and middle finger it allows me to feel the tightness of the grip without squeezing and forcing the cue through the ball.
Again, I don't think it matters what grip you use as long as you don't try to force the cue through the CB and you let the weight of the cue do the work.
Jaden
Here are my thoughts on grip, what I use and have used etc...
There can be a great variety of grips that work equally well. The key to success IMO is letting the weight of the cue do the work.
Once you start trying to force the cue through the ball, you can introduce all sorts of bad things that become difficult to isolate and correct.
I invented a device I call "The Perfect Grip". It isn't available on the market yet though (if it even will be) I had shown it to a few players, Max Eberle was interested in the concept when I first showed him.
I was still toying with whether to do them custom for each player or a generic or making both available.
It has since gone on the back burner with all of the other projects I've been working on.
Basically what it is is a form fitted device to a person's hand (thumb and first two fingers, although it can be made to the person's whole grip hand if desired) that is slightly larger than a cue with foam inserts on the inside.
It can close fully around the cue and the foam grips the cue but allows some movement even when gripped tightly.
This way a player can use a firm grip but the weight of the cue still does the work.
The prototype that I had been playing with was lost or stolen and I haven't had the time to make another one for now.
Anyways, the grip that I currently use is that I point my thumb straight down and and grip it between my first and middle finger.
This creates a "V" or triangle where the three digits come together and I let the cue rest in this crook.
by gripping my thumb with my first and middle finger it allows me to feel the tightness of the grip without squeezing and forcing the cue through the ball.
Again, I don't think it matters what grip you use as long as you don't try to force the cue through the CB and you let the weight of the cue do the work.
Jaden
8 pages now and nobody has acknowledged that you need a different grip for different shots.
I would write what I know, except that I learned it from Freddy the Beards videos and it wouldn't be right for me to give knowledge that he was selling for a reasonable price away.
I would write what I know, except that I learned it from Freddy the Beards videos and it wouldn't be right for me to give knowledge that he was selling for a reasonable price away.
Thanks Jaden, i agree with you 100% for pool play; snooker requires another level of accuracy of which i think loose or tight grip alone will not do it.
Ok supergreenman, you say different grip for different shots, others say no difference, some say hard grip only, some say soft, some say extremely light grip
Where do we go with this ! it drove me nuts, and i am sure drove everyone nuts too! no more.
Thanks.
Perhaps this is because you don't need a different grip for different shots.
I'll be the first.
You need a different grip for a mechanical-bridge shot, a dart-stroke jump shot, and some masse shots.
:grin-square:Regards,
Dave