I disagree. Making balls for a player of his caliber is not the biggest challenge in a game like this, especially when they stay in line, so while the pockets certainly do matter, they don't trump the need to get consistently accurate positioning, a good break ball, and continually break balls open over the number of racks needed to run 526. That being said, this is certainly an impressive run on that table. Nice job!
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I disagree. Making balls for a player of his caliber is not the biggest challenge in a game like this, especially when they stay in line, so while the pockets certainly do matter, they don't trump the need to get consistently accurate positioning, a good break ball, and continually break balls open over the number of racks needed to run 526. That being said, this is certainly an impressive run on that table. Nice job!
Ironically, the 266 is almost Exactly half of 526. But if Mosconi in his prime were to play john in his prime, I think they would both have their hands full :thumbup:
I don't disagree. However, when given an open shot at any pocket, a player of John's caliber has very little trouble making the ball on any table. It is getting into position for the next shot to have another open shot when having to break up clusters and leave break balls that makes the game harder. Inevitably, tough shots will come up in a run this long, which certainly makes playing this table harder, but going into the rack and playing the rack through double the amount of times on an easier table is still harder in my humble opinion, although I would love to hear the opinion of a top level player like John who has actually been there doing it.
John posted the below text to Facebook yesterday. He's only got 5 of the DVDs left as of now. If you're interested, just google this phrase "john schmidt hesperia facebook" and a link to his Facebook page will be near the top. You'll be able to leave him a message requesting one of the remaining DVDs :
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Well I’m back home for about 40 days until US Open 9-ball in October. I have a DVD that I feel anyone that enjoys 14.1 or wants to improve will really like.
A lesson would costs hundreds from a top player. Here’s what I’m offering:
The finals between Efren and me in 2012 where I win the World 14.1 title. Great match. Efren and myself both run over a hundred in that match. Next a 245-ball run with commentary; a 164 with commentary; a 294-ball run on a Diamond 9ft which is highest run ever on Diamond currently in the world; a 366 ball run which is currently the highest run ever caught on film.
This amounts to about 10 hours of play with commentary. Great value. I have about 15 copies only -- 65 dollars for all this in one package; I feel it’s an unbeatable value for anyone looking to become a great player.
Please PM me and I will get the copy out to you next day. Also anyone in southern California area interested in working on your game at 9-ball, 14.1, or One Pocket, please contact me. I can come to you, or vice versa thank you.
John Schmidt
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I'm certain he'll be checking his Facebook page frequently today till all the remaining DVDs are spoken for. (Actually he'd be foolish not to run off many more copies now, assured that they do indeed sell at a fifty-dollar-plus price point.) Also be sure to phone 1-760-951-2800 (Gary's Victor Billiards - open 4 PM PST) and I'm certain they'll immediately contact John with your request for one of the DVDs. May even have John call you back personally to take down your contact info and provide payment details.
Arnaldo
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Well I’m back home for about 40 days until US Open 9-ball in October. I have a DVD that I feel anyone that enjoys 14.1 or wants to improve will really like.
A lesson would costs hundreds from a top player. Here’s what I’m offering:
The finals between Efren and me in 2012 where I win the World 14.1 title. Great match. Efren and myself both run over a hundred in that match. Next a 245-ball run with commentary; a 164 with commentary; a 294-ball run on a Diamond 9ft which is highest run ever on Diamond currently in the world; a 366 ball run which is currently the highest run ever caught on film.
This amounts to about 10 hours of play with commentary. Great value. I have about 15 copies only -- 65 dollars for all this in one package; I feel it’s an unbeatable value for anyone looking to become a great player.
Please PM me and I will get the copy out to you next day. Also anyone in southern California area interested in working on your game at 9-ball, 14.1, or One Pocket, please contact me. I can come to you, or vice versa thank you.
John Schmidt
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I'm certain he'll be checking his Facebook page frequently today till all the remaining DVDs are spoken for. (Actually he'd be foolish not to run off many more copies now, assured that they do indeed sell at a fifty-dollar-plus price point.) Also be sure to phone 1-760-951-2800 (Gary's Victor Billiards - open 4 PM PST) and I'm certain they'll immediately contact John with your request for one of the DVDs. May even have John call you back personally to take down your contact info and provide payment details.
Arnaldo
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Unfortunately for you that you do not see the benefits of 14.1. Consentration,
cue ball control, and the presure that mounts with every break shot are some of
the benefits. John knows how to practice and get ready for the Mosconi Cup.
Go USA.
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Could not have said it better.
It is interesting to note that there are probably *hundreds of thousands* of 8' tables laying around the country. There are probably more 8' tables with big yawning pockets around than there are 9's nowadays... but 50+ years later, oh so much easier and all that, no one has broken the record.
Lou Figueroa
just sayin'
We featured an interview with John about this very subject on American Billiard Radio.
His answers may or may not be a surprise.
http://www.americanbilliardradio.com/listen/2014/5/30/team-usa-profile-6-cory-deuel
I have been playing straight pool for 40 years. There is little about the game I do not understand.
So why give a statement that straight pool practice will not help John?
Because I don`t think it will help him. The Europeans will eat him alive playing 9 ball. As far as I can tell he gave up playing 9 ball against the best international players years ago, which is the only practice that actually do him any good. I have been playing long enough to know the two games are completely different and you need to be battle hardened by 9 ball tournaments if you want to compete with the likes of the European team.
Great Point. Maybe they will get it sooner or later, but I would not hold my breath
Mosconi was a magician, and the most dominate player of his time, maybe of all time. He's the Babe Ruth of pool
A question. It seems to me, someone who doesn't play a lot of straight pool, that you might be understating the challenge of smaller pockets. I agree that for someone like Schmidt, the issue isn't so much the ability to make the shot at hand (though there is some challenge in that). But the ability to cheat pockets to get better shape for outs and breaks must be much higher with bigger pockets, and that seems like it would be a really big benefit for long runs.
Oh, Lou, John could have gotten several 15-ball racks in his run. It's just hard. There was a 15-ball rack the other day in 14.1 league. The sissy played a safe instead of the corner ball to continue.Not a straight pool player, eh
Lou Figueroa
19x14 = 266
Of course it will never be beaten on an 8 ft table with bucket pockets like Mosconi set it on when you consider two very simple facts:
-Probably zero top players spend much time playing on 8' tables with bucket pockets.
-Very few top players spend much time playing straight pool period on a table of any size.
So while there may be hundreds of thousands of 8' tables around, no top players are playing on them, and they certainly aren't playing straight pool on them.
But Mosconi's feat has already been surpassed. It is just that it was done on different equipment (a 294 on a diamond 9 ft, runs of 400+ on other 9 fts, etc).
Today's pros have no reason to spend any time on an 8 ft with bucket pockets, but as I've said in the past, give them an incentive to do so and you will see the record broken real quick, in a period of time that could be measured in weeks, not years. Offer $30,000 to the first person that can break it on video on comparable equipment, and give a deadline to do it by. Or offer $10,000 to every single person that can break it by a certain deadline.
If it is such an impossible record as you say, there really is no risk at all and your money is safe and you would have no reason not to do it because you just can't lose. Funny how nobody is willing to put up any money on this supposedly safe can't lose bet though huh? My prediction is that more than one player would break the record within a few months.
That said, I also believe Mosconi could have broken his own record if he had had any incentive to do so, which of course will still leave the argument open as to who is really better even after somebody else breaks his record. I'm certainly not taking anything away from Mosconi as he was a phenomenal player and talent. But he certainly wouldn't be running over the best players of today like he was doing to the best players of his era, and some of the top players of today say the same thing (John even publicly said so recently).
OK, I'm a little dense. Can you explane in english how you can get to 15 in straight pool and be able to run 19 racks. Heck, even if a guy plays a safety and you rack 15 or there are 15 on the table, then you only run 14 unless there is some new science out there.
Not a straight pool player, eh
Lou Figueroa
19x14 = 266
Hmm..good point.
I guess when I hear the word 'rack' I think of a whole rack, the 14 plus the one.
C'est la vie