You haven't tried the shot yet, have you?
Blew BIH on 3 balls/WWYD?
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OK, so I uploaded my very first YouTube video of me running this out. Forgive me, it's not great and not long. I did it myself with my iPhone propped up. Anyway, without lying, doing it the way Brandon said and the way I did it in the video, out of 6 tries I never failed to get on the 9 once. I did miss the 9 a couple of times but my position was good. Once I'm off work and on my normal PC I will figure out how to post it here.
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Here is the video. Poor quality, sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqAPKm0ulfs
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Here is the video. Poor quality, sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqAPKm0ulfs
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Did it on an 8ft table, nap felt and it's trying to rain outside. Shooting for minimal position, the object ball barely got back to the third diamond. Doing like you wanted, getting the worst possible position, the object ball almost got to the other end rail. But since you seem to think that I want the worst possible position for the shot, you're almost are correct. Getting perfect position only makes the object ball barely pass the side pocket. Which at that speed unless you are actually missing the pocket, you shouldn't be rattling the ball.
Except that isn't the "Z" shot. That's just a one rail spinning position.
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True...but it is the way I feel most comfortable playing that shot.
I actually don't want it getting to the end rail. Just slightly off off the side is perfect for me here.
Good. That gets us started. Since it was my suggestion, ill try to get a vid up by tomarrow night. Try to set camera up at head or foot rail. That should give a view of the whole table.
Last night's episode of 'couldn't get there'.
Chose to draw off the 7. Got dead straight on 8, cb near mouth of pocket about half a diamond down the short rail on the 9ball side. Pocked 8, slow rolled forward to first diamond short of the corner. Attempted cross side on 9, hit a point, sold out.
What would be your more reliable pattern?
note...drew off 7...long rail, long rail, short rail(landed on short rail almost frozen)/9ball about 3/8 inch off the rail.
...blew another one...dang
With ball in hand, I'd hit the 7 with follow towards one of the pockets the 8 is near, aiming the cueball with an angle towards the middle of the rail, or possibly hit 2 rail shape with a 45 degree cut with the same second rail shape. Draw is very unpredictable on that shot with speed and even the angle you will get. I'm assuming you drew back the way you have the cueball pictures, would have to be to the rail and back out. Then you can play one rail up from the 8 to the opposite end from either side of the 8 and back down towards the 9.
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And sorry, Koop...I can't say ya got.'shape' on that 8 either!
To bad there isn't a category for shots like this.
Thanks to the OP for taking time to ask the question.
Regards,
John
Thanks to the OP for taking time to ask the question.
Regards,
John
Last night's episode of 'couldn't get there'.
Chose to draw off the 7. Got dead straight on 8, cb near mouth of pocket about half a diamond down the short rail on the 9ball side. Pocked 8, slow rolled forward to first diamond short of the corner. Attempted cross side on 9, hit a point, sold out.
What would be your more reliable pattern?
note...drew off 7...long rail, long rail, short rail(landed on short rail almost frozen)/9ball about 3/8 inch off the rail.
...blew another one...dang
Seven upper left, cb three rails - 8 in the lower right draw to the nine - below it if flat, above it if sharp. Depending on the angle on the 8 you could also go forward two rails for shape if needed. I like two rails on the seven to slow the cue ball down as it comes into the third rail.
Drawing the ball off the seven down table requires a lot more precision speed control.
Prove it! Not saying that to be an ass, but set up a short video and do it three times without editing. I will have a vid up by tomarrow night. Its fine to say what works. Show us! If you can do it 3 times in a row, its just right for you. I'm putting my vid up even if I miss. This challange goes out to all of you. I expect that you will practice it, just don't edit it! Remember on your set up, the 8 or 9 are not froze. Zoom in on pic to see it.
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I could have swore it was in something you posted. There were a lot of things, almost like a "universal truths" kind of list. I remember another one was that unless you come out of a pocket, you can not scratch if you cross the exact middle of the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6H1sR1RmM&feature=youtu.be
Ok. Time to put my money where my mouth is.
I practiced this pattern several ways. I had to do it differently then I originally intended. Its a combination of ideas from Branpureza and Hits 'em hard. Even though I over hit (or under hit) the second attempt, this was the smoothest for me.
Ok. Time to put my money where my mouth is.
I practiced this pattern several ways. I had to do it differently then I originally intended. Its a combination of ideas from Branpureza and Hits 'em hard. Even though I over hit (or under hit) the second attempt, this was the smoothest for me.
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Actually, that's all me, no branpureza. The problem with why you missed the 9 the second time is that you don't use follow from that spot. It's a spinning draw. You never want to have the cue ball under the 9 unless it's within one diamond of the 9.
I'm actually very glad I learned the reference lines that Ralph Eckert has posted on YouTube because they make this run-out a hell of a lot easier.
Because the 7 ball is between the 1st and 2nd diamond on the long rail... there's a reference line that gets you perfect shape on the 8. I'd place the CB at the (2,2) grid lining the 7-ball and CB up parallel to the headstring. Pocket the 7-ball in the upper left corner pocket with a little high, and that sends you to the 6th diamond on the long rail (grid position 6,0).
Then, that position at the 6th diamond actually introduces another shot line that Ralph talks about - the 45 degree line. It's also something a fellow AZBer showed me in person. Anyway, the 6th diamond on the long rail to the 2nd diamond on the short rail creates a 45 degree angle and that sends the CB on a direct line to the upper left corner pocket (in this picture). So, speed control becomes important as you can end up anywhere between on a straight line between grid positions (4,3 and 0,4). That leaves you a relatively easy shot (comparable to other options anyway) on the 9 in the upper right hand corner pocket.
Sorry for all the words but I'm writing from my laptop and can't edit the original picture to offer a visualization as well as my words. If I get to my actual computer in a little while I'll also post an edited picture.
Because the 7 ball is between the 1st and 2nd diamond on the long rail... there's a reference line that gets you perfect shape on the 8. I'd place the CB at the (2,2) grid lining the 7-ball and CB up parallel to the headstring. Pocket the 7-ball in the upper left corner pocket with a little high, and that sends you to the 6th diamond on the long rail (grid position 6,0).
Then, that position at the 6th diamond actually introduces another shot line that Ralph talks about - the 45 degree line. It's also something a fellow AZBer showed me in person. Anyway, the 6th diamond on the long rail to the 2nd diamond on the short rail creates a 45 degree angle and that sends the CB on a direct line to the upper left corner pocket (in this picture). So, speed control becomes important as you can end up anywhere between on a straight line between grid positions (4,3 and 0,4). That leaves you a relatively easy shot (comparable to other options anyway) on the 9 in the upper right hand corner pocket.
Sorry for all the words but I'm writing from my laptop and can't edit the original picture to offer a visualization as well as my words. If I get to my actual computer in a little while I'll also post an edited picture.
This was what you wrote. I found it was better for me to play for the 9 in the upper right. I got too straight on the 8 and didn't get straight enough on the 9. I did hit it a little too hard though. Put up a vid and show us how. Come on guys.....it fun! I may not be from Missouri, but you need to SHOW ME!
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Hey guys, I got to practice for a couple hours today so I set up the shot as soon as I got to the poolroom.
I didn't get to try them all but I shot the ones that stuck out in my mind the most.
The 2 shots I liked best were mine and the one I think Bob Jewitt posted. They were the most effortless ones to perform.
My shot is the 1st one in the video which I do 5 times I think and Bob's was the second.
The absolute worst shot in the thread was playing the 7 in the side with follow and attempting to knock the 9 off the rail on the way to the 8 ball. I don't know why anyone would choose such a goofy/risky shot when the layout is this easy. I only tried it twice and quit because it was so ridiculous.
The second worst shot was playing the 7 ball in the corner by the 8 ball. There are a few things wrong with this shot. Firstly don't like playing the 7 in the pocket farthest away. Why play a 7 foot shot vs a 1 foot shot? Also I've never been a fan of those almost straight in but not quite shots. I can tell you that as soon as I got down on this shot I didn't like it and you definitely have to shoot this ball with some speed to get the cue ball all the way down there as well. Pocket speed might get you to the middle of the table. I probably had to hit it about 10mph which isn't optimal ball pocketing speed. I'd like to be able to hit it at about half that speed to make the pocket as big as possible.
The last thing I can think of, which also comes last in the video is doubling the corner and playing the 8 in the bottom corner. I think playing the 8 in this pocket is wrong because if your position leaves you against or too close to the rail you're going to have to shoot a stroke shot to get on the 9. Playing the 8 in the top corner allows you to play off the rail even if you fall on it.
Anyway, here's my video. Now it's your turn!
http://youtu.be/fgzdxqh1j6A?list=UUEAOWze2FbWubVFrzjijm-w
I didn't get to try them all but I shot the ones that stuck out in my mind the most.
The 2 shots I liked best were mine and the one I think Bob Jewitt posted. They were the most effortless ones to perform.
My shot is the 1st one in the video which I do 5 times I think and Bob's was the second.
The absolute worst shot in the thread was playing the 7 in the side with follow and attempting to knock the 9 off the rail on the way to the 8 ball. I don't know why anyone would choose such a goofy/risky shot when the layout is this easy. I only tried it twice and quit because it was so ridiculous.
The second worst shot was playing the 7 ball in the corner by the 8 ball. There are a few things wrong with this shot. Firstly don't like playing the 7 in the pocket farthest away. Why play a 7 foot shot vs a 1 foot shot? Also I've never been a fan of those almost straight in but not quite shots. I can tell you that as soon as I got down on this shot I didn't like it and you definitely have to shoot this ball with some speed to get the cue ball all the way down there as well. Pocket speed might get you to the middle of the table. I probably had to hit it about 10mph which isn't optimal ball pocketing speed. I'd like to be able to hit it at about half that speed to make the pocket as big as possible.
The last thing I can think of, which also comes last in the video is doubling the corner and playing the 8 in the bottom corner. I think playing the 8 in this pocket is wrong because if your position leaves you against or too close to the rail you're going to have to shoot a stroke shot to get on the 9. Playing the 8 in the top corner allows you to play off the rail even if you fall on it.
Anyway, here's my video. Now it's your turn!
http://youtu.be/fgzdxqh1j6A?list=UUEAOWze2FbWubVFrzjijm-w
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You strike balls very well sir:smile:.
The tables I play on are slow cloth, dead rails and definitely take a little stroke to move the cueball. The so-called "Z" shot that you shot first looks like a very good option on a newer, faster table. You play very well.
ONB