Blew BIH on 3 balls/WWYD?

Old Nine Baller said:
You strike balls very well sir:smile:.

The tables I play on are slow cloth, dead rails and definitely take a little stroke to move the cueball. The so-called "Z" shot that you shot first looks like a very good option on a newer, faster table. You play very well.

ONB
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I drive past 4 pool rooms to get to this one. They have 11 brand new Diamond Pro-Am Blue Labels. :thumbup:
 
Old Nine Baller said:
You strike balls very well sir:smile:.

The tables I play on are slow cloth, dead rails and definitely take a little stroke to move the cueball. The so-called "Z" shot that you shot first looks like a very good option on a newer, faster table. You play very well.

ONB
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branpureza said:
I drive past 4 pool rooms to get to this one. They have 11 brand new Diamond Pro-Am Blue Labels. :thumbup:
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I also drive past several poolrooms to get to the one I play in. I guess old habits die hard:).

You being left-handed I am surprised that you didn't try my shot (post #20) at least a few times. It's probably not the correct shot on a newer table with fast rails and fast cloth but I would love to see you shoot it, if you could. It probably is better on the slow, dead tables that most of us play on.

ONB
 
Old Nine Baller said:
I also drive past several poolrooms to get to the one I play in. I guess old habits die hard:).

You being left-handed I am surprised that you didn't try my shot (post #20) at least a few times. It's probably not the correct shot on a newer table with fast rails and fast cloth but I would love to see you shoot it, if you could. It probably is better on the slow, dead tables that most of us play on.

ONB
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Oh yes, your shot which is the opposite of the other double the corner shot I played is much better, especially for a lefty.
 
branpureza said:
Also I've never been a fan of those almost straight in but not quite shots. I can tell you that as soon as I got down on this shot I didn't like it and you definitely have to shoot this ball with some speed to get the cue ball all the way down there as well. Pocket speed might get you to the middle of the table.]
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I can say that I can see why people are calling my shot difficult now. Combining two factors that work against your natural rythm. I know that the way you're striking the follow is not how I would be hitting it. You're hitting a lot closer to the middle of the ball than I would be.
 
branpureza said:
Hey guys, I got to practice for a couple hours today so I set up the shot as soon as I got to the poolroom.

I didn't get to try them all but I shot the ones that stuck out in my mind the most.

The 2 shots I liked best were mine and the one I think Bob Jewitt posted. They were the most effortless ones to perform.

My shot is the 1st one in the video which I do 5 times I think and Bob's was the second.

The absolute worst shot in the thread was playing the 7 in the side with follow and attempting to knock the 9 off the rail on the way to the 8 ball. I don't know why anyone would choose such a goofy/risky shot when the layout is this easy. I only tried it twice and quit because it was so ridiculous.

The second worst shot was playing the 7 ball in the corner by the 8 ball. There are a few things wrong with this shot. Firstly don't like playing the 7 in the pocket farthest away. Why play a 7 foot shot vs a 1 foot shot? Also I've never been a fan of those almost straight in but not quite shots. I can tell you that as soon as I got down on this shot I didn't like it and you definitely have to shoot this ball with some speed to get the cue ball all the way down there as well. Pocket speed might get you to the middle of the table. I probably had to hit it about 10mph which isn't optimal ball pocketing speed. I'd like to be able to hit it at about half that speed to make the pocket as big as possible.

The last thing I can think of, which also comes last in the video is doubling the corner and playing the 8 in the bottom corner. I think playing the 8 in this pocket is wrong because if your position leaves you against or too close to the rail you're going to have to shoot a stroke shot to get on the 9. Playing the 8 in the top corner allows you to play off the rail even if you fall on it.

Anyway, here's my video. Now it's your turn!


http://youtu.be/fgzdxqh1j6A?list=UUEAOWze2FbWubVFrzjijm-w
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Very good shooting. This is great. Keep em coming. Come on you pussies.....get those vids posted.
 
branpureza said:
Also I've never been a fan of those almost straight in but not quite shots. I can tell you that as soon as I got down on this shot I didn't like it and you definitely have to shoot this ball with some speed to get the cue ball all the way down there as well. Pocket speed might get you to the middle of the table.
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Hits 'em Hard said:
I can say that I can see why people are calling my shot difficult now. Combining two factors that work against your natural rythm. I know that the way you're striking the follow is not how I would be hitting it. You're hitting a lot closer to the middle of the ball than I would be.
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Hits 'em Hard,

People are calling your shot the wrong shot because it is the wrong shot. Would you put up $1000 and shoot your shot at $100 per attempt and shoot it 10 times? If you run out 5 times out of 10 you break even. Are you shooting this on a 9' table?

ONB
 
The 3-rail shot around the corner and down table is also in play here, it's probably easier to control the speed that way than going two rails across.
 
branpureza said:
Haha you know these guys aren't going to post their videos. They don't want anyone to see them in action or they'll scare everyone away with their "skill level".
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I know. Just trying to make it fun. And I was pretty fun making the video. Was better then just hitting balls. Had a new goal to work toward. And I have a feeling some of the ones that run their mouths the most, can't run those three balls at all.:poke:
And if they were trying to play the cover game, they wouldn't be on AZ anyway.
 
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hang-the-9 said:
The 3-rail shot around the corner and down table is also in play here, it's probably easier to control the speed that way than going two rails across.
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The speed is almost irrelevant when playing either the 3 rail or 2 rails across.

What matters most is selecting the correct target on the final rail. 1.5 - 2 diamonds up from the short rail is ideal. Hit that target with either shot and you're pretty much guaranteed a good shot on the 8 ball.

The only thing to really worry about speed wise is ensuring you get to the target.
 
buckshotshoey said:
I know. Just trying to make it fun. And I was pretty fun making the video. Was better then just hitting balls. Had a new goal to work toward.
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Yeah, I had a little more motivation to make it out to the poolroom today.

I got to practice for about 2 hours and kept the camera rolling.

Here are some of the racks from today if anyone is interested in watching some more patterns:

http://youtu.be/fbIcsdwODm0


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some thoughts on decision making

This is how to determine (IMHO), which side of the 8 will bring you to better results more often...

1st:
Which side of the 8 has a bigger landing area? In this case with the 8 ALMOST in the middle of the head rail, you can see, the triangles to land in (transparent cueballs mark the worst points from maybe a chalk away or being about 2,5 diamonds on the rail). Easy to see, that this favours the right side of the 8.




2nd:
Assuming, that for a comfortable bridge, the cueball should be about a diamond away from the long rail to pocket the 8 easily, we're faced with this situation:
you've got perfect position on each side, or you've missed perfect position in angle (shallow or steep).
Try to get into position for the 9 from each point...
... I think, this will also favour the right side of the 8!




3rd:
You're faced with this situation. You've missed perfect position by speed and you're hooked on the rail. Also with perfect angle, shallow or steep angle.
Try to get position on the 9 from these points will favour the right side of the 8 immensely!




If you're getting to the same result, that the right side of the 8 will be the favourite in all 3 terms, it's time to choose a "BALL IN HAND" for the 7, to hopefully get the best position on the 8...

... here are 4 easy ways to get there (a good way already shown by "branpureza"):




By the way:
after an (hopefully) easy 8-ball, being short sided on the 9 will be perfect!!!
That's my in my opinion the easiest way out...
 
One thing to be careful with about the "z" path is that the cueball will always come long off of the first rail and usually wont follow the mirror image. This will often lead to getting too straight on the 8 or even a scratch if you aren't careful.
 
branpureza said:
Yeah, I had a little more motivation to make it out to the poolroom today.

I got to practice for about 2 hours and kept the camera rolling.

Here are some of the racks from today if anyone is interested in watching some more patterns:

http://youtu.be/fbIcsdwODm0


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Nice shooting.

Saw that 'just showin' off' top-stop shot to the side on the last rack:eek:

What tip you using? Good sound at crisp contact.

ps: on the 3 ball BIH series...are you using any right on the 'Z' shot? or just the collision turning of the cb?
 
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Hits 'em Hard said:
I can say that I can see why people are calling my shot difficult now. Combining two factors that work against your natural rythm. I know that the way you're striking the follow is not how I would be hitting it. You're hitting a lot closer to the middle of the ball than I would be.
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Don't worry about it too much, man.
I saw Pagulayan with ball in hand on the 8, the 9 was laying easy up the table and he couldn't get out. (9 ball).
It happens.......
 
3RAILKICK said:
Nice shooting.

Saw that 'just showin' off' top-stop shot to the side on the last rack:eek:

What tip you using? Good sound at crisp contact.

ps: on the 3 ball BIH series...are you using any right on the 'Z' shot? or just the collision turning of the cb?
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Thanks brotha! I use a Kamui Black Super Soft. I'm shooting the 7-ball with a touch of outside, maybe about 1 or 2 o'clock.
 
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