Blew BIH on 3 balls/WWYD?

Here are all the different ways to get out from here that I came up with. I think there are a couple of other options that pretty much nobody would ever try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzmjgMMTLKs


***Edited to add*** I just realized I had the 7 ball a couple of ball widths too close to the head string. For some reason this is where I thought it was the whole time I read this thread. Not sure if that would change my outlook on the shot or not. Oh well.
 
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You would do it more often with his 2nd choice but it's not very popular here. The players (the ones who have cared enough to post an opinion) have decreed it not very useful. Maybe Mr. TOI will bless us all with his opinion.
Yeah the second option is best. It is a much more common route, meaning a more confident route. Also the angle coming off the third rail is steeper than the two rail route, ensuring you don't get to steep of an angle on the 8 making it harder to pocket.
 
Here are all the different ways to get out from here that I came up with. I think there are a couple of other options that pretty much nobody would ever try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzmjgMMTLKs


***Edited to add*** I just realized I had the 7 ball a couple of ball widths too close to the head string. For some reason this is where I thought it was the whole time I read this thread. Not sure if that would change my outlook on the shot or not. Oh well.

Nice. All the shots looked comfortable to you..except where you got too close to the 8. Set up #2 looked the smoothest to me.
 
You would do it more often with his 2nd choice but it's not very popular here. The players (the ones who have cared enough to post an opinion) have decreed it not very useful. Maybe Mr. TOI will bless us all with his opinion.

Yeah the second option is best. It is a much more common route, meaning a more confident route. Also the angle coming off the third rail is steeper than the two rail route, ensuring you don't get to steep of an angle on the 8 making it harder to pocket.

You are the first person in this thread to mention this and you are correct. Kudos to you:). The other reason to like this shot is that the cueball's speed is dying off as it enters the widest part of the position zone and it's not because it was a "touchy" speed shot. You can "stroke" the shot and get perfect on the 8 every time.

ONB
 
You would do it more often with his 2nd choice but it's not very popular here. The players (the ones who have cared enough to post an opinion) have decreed it not very useful. Maybe Mr. TOI will bless us all with his opinion.

Jeez, if only the posters here would mention "2 foul 9 ball" in their thread titles maybe Mr. PoolGod would bless us with his opinions.

No, strike that, maybe it's better this way.

ONB
 
The Z shot allows you to approach the next ball along the line of position. Of course this assumes your spin is accurate enough to land you on the right spot on the second cushion. An advantage of the Z shot for non-BIH play is that you can adjust the angle off the first cushion over a pretty wide range.

This is the sort of shot that would be a good challenge to have at a gathering of AZBers. We could each defend our own preferred choice. Shots like this come up every couple of months.

I can't believe all the answers that include multiple rails and English.

The tangent line from the seven in the lower left pocket is exactly where you want the cue ball to end up on the 8 ball. Set the cue ball 4-6 inches from the 7 with a slight angle and shoot a stop shot. The cue ball will magically float to the exact position shown on branpureza's Z bank without any of the variables or drama. Remember the stop shot and tangent line folks?

KISS


JC
 
Last night's episode of 'couldn't get there'.





Chose to draw off the 7. Got dead straight on 8, cb near mouth of pocket about half a diamond down the short rail on the 9ball side. Pocked 8, slow rolled forward to first diamond short of the corner. Attempted cross side on 9, hit a point, sold out.

What would be your more reliable pattern?

note...drew off 7...long rail, long rail, short rail(landed on short rail almost frozen)/9ball about 3/8 inch off the rail.


...blew another one...dang:(

While drawing straight back off the 7 is doable, it is way harder than you need to make it. I would personally add a little angle to the shot off the 7 and draw down table for the 8. The speed you would naturally have using some angle would send the ball down table easier, and you only need enough draw to come below the 8. You could also play it with a little anlge and follow. You would probably need some right hand english also to get down to the 8. Drawing straight back off the 7 in this situation seems like something you would do to show off your draw stroke. The other main problem with doing that is that when you draw straight back from there, you are going to end uo fairly close to the 8 after coming off the long rail.
 
Heck, if you look at the tangent line, you could add a little angle (I mean moving the ball closer to the short rail that the 8 is not on in this case), play a center ball shot, and the cue ball should drift right into the correct position for the 8. My above examples would bring you below the 8, where this example would put you above the 8. Either position has easy pathways to the 9, and either shot would naturally give better position on the 8 than drawing off the rail like you did which brings you into the 8.
 
I would try the same thing. I draw with english. Cut the 8 and cross bank the 9 into the side pocket.

If I'm playing safe, it would be to bank the 8 to the opposite side of the table creating distance. He's going to have to come with two good shots to win.

There is no reason to have to bank the 9 ball in this situation if you correctly play one of several patterns. Because you have to move the CB so many feet, it presents some challenge, but should be fairly simple if done right.
 
While drawing straight back off the 7 is doable, it is way harder than you need to make it. I would personally add a little angle to the shot off the 7 and draw down table for the 8. The speed you would naturally have using some angle would send the ball down table easier, and you only need enough draw to come below the 8. You could also play it with a little anlge and follow. You would probably need some right hand english also to get down to the 8. Drawing straight back off the 7 in this situation seems like something you would do to show off your draw stroke. The other main problem with doing that is that when you draw straight back from there, you are going to end uo fairly close to the 8 after coming off the long rail.

Draw is for show....follow is for dough! Old saying but had to add it.
 
Dear Everybody Who Posted In This Thread,

To anyone who didn't choose my choice (post #20), would you bet $100 per attempt and post $1000 and shoot your shot choice 10 times? This is how you know the value of your shot choice. There is no other way. Everything else is just fluff from guys who can't play.

ONB
 
Dear Everybody Who Posted In This Thread,

To anyone who didn't choose my choice (post #20), would you bet $100 per attempt and post $1000 and shoot your shot choice 10 times? This is how you know the value of your shot choice. There is no other way. Everything else is just fluff from guys who can't play.

ONB
I chose a similar choice as you did. I think however that the z path is equally good if not better. I would be more than willing to shoot the z method for 100 a shot if you do the same for the round the corner way. I assume success is making all three balls or is it just getting good shape on the 8? I think it is all relative because there are plenty of ways to get out here. I look at it like this....if you were presented with position that forced you to go one of the other choices could you have a reasonable expectation of getting out. I think the answer is yes for most a players and above and mostly for good b players.


Dear Everybody Who Posted In This Thread,

To anyone who didn't choose my choice (post #20), would you bet $100 per attempt and post $1000 and shoot your shot choice 10 times? This is how you know the value of your shot choice. There is no other way. Everything else is just fluff from guys who can't play.

ONB
 
Dear Everybody Who Posted In This Thread,

To anyone who didn't choose my choice (post #20), would you bet $100 per attempt and post $1000 and shoot your shot choice 10 times? This is how you know the value of your shot choice. There is no other way. Everything else is just fluff from guys who can't play.

ONB

Come on man....why does everything have to be about money to you? This is the second time in this thread you said this. There was what....4 of us....that had the nards to post a vid to show how to do it. Put up a vid and show us your way. Until you do, the only "fluff" is coming from you!

Nothing personal here. A little bit of spit balling. Just giving you some incentive to show us! Come on fluff man.....prove your way is better!
Educate us....without money being a motivating factor.
 
Come on man....why does everything have to be about money to you? This is the second time in this thread you said this. There was what....4 of us....that had the nards to post a vid to show how to do it. Put up a vid and show us your way. Until you do, the only "fluff" is coming from you!

Nothing personal here. A little bit of spit balling. Just giving you some incentive to show us! Come on fluff man.....prove your way is better!
Educate us....without money being a motivating factor.
I just might make this video in the morning if I remember.
 
I tried different paths for an hour or so and confirmed that my first instincts were correct, that the z-shot is the best choice. The shot itself is difficult to miss, medium speed with follow is incredibly easy to control and I can get pretty much the perfect angle I need on the 8 nearly everytime (Brandon showed this in his video as well).

All the other shots, straight follow, 2 rails out of the corner, draw, etc. are not hard to pull off, and are fine for most players who are only concerned with getting on the 8 and having some kind of an angle to get on the 9. But if you want the easiest possible shot on the 8 to get to the 9, you need to have the ideal angle on the 8, and for my money, the z-shot is the simplest and most consistent way to get there.
 
I would get from the 7 to the 8 like this. How you get on the 9 depends on how you get on the 8 but if it ended up like this I would go two rails up and back down for the 9.


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ONB

While a viable option, I don't think I would choose that. Too easy to get too tight to the 8 ball. However, I do like the fact that is a tangent line shot that goes through the center of the table to take away the scratch. I might just play it a little further down the long rail. All in all though, the shot into the side pocket requires less travel and less angle to be played.
 
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Depends on what table you're playing on... I wouldn't shoot that in the side on a 9' Diamond.
 
Depends on what table you're playing on... I wouldn't shoot that in the side on a 9' Diamond.

That may be true, but like I said, it always looks different when you get to the table, and on my table, that shot works. On a tighter table, I may use a different approach. My only problem with oldnineballers shot is that their is less room for error on this particular shot as he comes into the line of the shot, although it does take the scratch out of the shot well. Many ways to shoot it that will work.
 
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