Home Tipping Tool???
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Heres a thread I made years back, it should help you out some. I havent priced the porper in a while but everything listed should run agout 100-125 depending on where you live.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=51018
Chuck
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=51018
Chuck
+1 On The Porper Trimmer,,,I've used one of these little gems for almost 20 years now. They work great for trimming the tip down and taking care of the biz of shaping the tip.Next best thing to owning a laythe
With patience, a sharp razor blade and a few pieces of ultra fine sandpaper will get you there for less than $20.
I'd keep an eye on ebay and the W/FS forum here for a used Willard's tool. I've seen some good to awesome deals on here.
The only Porper product I used was a mushroom grazer which, for me, did not work as easily. A handheld tool of little mass can bite into the tip and pull/climb too far. It's a touchy operation that can work ok, but the margin for error isn't too large.
The Willard tool is substantial and sits on a bench or table. The collet centers the shaft so that even trimming is accomplished, and the depth of cut is controlled with axial movement into a slightly tapered cutter. The end result is indistinguishable from a lathe installed tip aside from the courtesy shaft clean that usually comes with the lathe job.
I agree that $450 is steep for a single-purpose item, but $200 on average for a used one is much more palatable.
I'd keep an eye on ebay and the W/FS forum here for a used Willard's tool. I've seen some good to awesome deals on here.
The only Porper product I used was a mushroom grazer which, for me, did not work as easily. A handheld tool of little mass can bite into the tip and pull/climb too far. It's a touchy operation that can work ok, but the margin for error isn't too large.
The Willard tool is substantial and sits on a bench or table. The collet centers the shaft so that even trimming is accomplished, and the depth of cut is controlled with axial movement into a slightly tapered cutter. The end result is indistinguishable from a lathe installed tip aside from the courtesy shaft clean that usually comes with the lathe job.
I agree that $450 is steep for a single-purpose item, but $200 on average for a used one is much more palatable.
I searched Google images for "Korean pool cue tip tool" and there's an item that looks like it fits the description you give. It's an orange thing called a ball tek tool? I haven't found much info, but the site associated with the image is Kozoom and they sell it as a carom cue tool. Is there enough difference in taper or diameter to make this not work for a standard pool cue?
This is what I use
The only thing to be sure to do is buy a length of clear plastic tubing, cut it to about 2 inches in length, slide it over your shaft after you remove your old tip and hold it in place with some painters tape. You use it as a collet to protect the shaft from the rollers.
You can also taper shafts and even replace linen wraps if you buy a foot pedal control for drill speed. I put together that adjustable mount also. About 100 bucks in all.
One thing I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with is hiding my tip inside a tool, turning it and then removing it to see if I have a ferrule left.
One other thing to consider, if you do make a homemade type lathe, be careful about mounting the shaft with a threaded bolt. Should this bit runout on the drill end, it could crack your shaft. Especially if your drill spins up too fast. This is why I like those rubber holders that come with the jig. They act as shock absorbers as well as holders.
The only thing to be sure to do is buy a length of clear plastic tubing, cut it to about 2 inches in length, slide it over your shaft after you remove your old tip and hold it in place with some painters tape. You use it as a collet to protect the shaft from the rollers.
You can also taper shafts and even replace linen wraps if you buy a foot pedal control for drill speed. I put together that adjustable mount also. About 100 bucks in all.
One thing I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with is hiding my tip inside a tool, turning it and then removing it to see if I have a ferrule left.
One other thing to consider, if you do make a homemade type lathe, be careful about mounting the shaft with a threaded bolt. Should this bit runout on the drill end, it could crack your shaft. Especially if your drill spins up too fast. This is why I like those rubber holders that come with the jig. They act as shock absorbers as well as holders.
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I have had both...the Porpor and the Williards ...the Williards is by far the better machine/tool. I still use the Williards heres an ultra skin med i put on my Lambros yesterday. The key with both is take your time. I would wait and look for a used Williard.... some good deals pop up every once in a while.
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Yeah, for that much money you could get one of these and they are great!
http://www.midamericapool.com/index_files/Page328.htm
people tend to believe that you need to replace with a tip larger than the shaft and then trip down to make flush
the "flush" part makes it look pretty, and is the most delicate, difficult, time consuming and costly step in the whole process
u need a lathe for that and someone who knows what he's doing
however.....
the truth is you can replace a tip with the same size of your shaft in under 5 minutes and simply....avoid the whole trimming/making flush process entirely
no difference in performacne, snooker players do this all the time and often replace tips like this mid match
the "flush" part makes it look pretty, and is the most delicate, difficult, time consuming and costly step in the whole process
u need a lathe for that and someone who knows what he's doing
however.....
the truth is you can replace a tip with the same size of your shaft in under 5 minutes and simply....avoid the whole trimming/making flush process entirely
no difference in performacne, snooker players do this all the time and often replace tips like this mid match
yes. the one in the video is a different version but same company.
probably similar. you would want to find the one for pool cues I think.
I will post pix of mine. maybe tomorrow if it is at the shop.
got one, it works for both pool & carom cues , no problem. easy to use, but use with care (damn trimmer
)pic -from Kozoom- :
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I have seen the Ball Techs advertised before.
If I didn't have a lathe or 3, this is one that I would try fer sure.
When someone said, "Damn trimmer", it made me think of the more expensive Porper.
Because I said the same thing, (much worse actually), many times before I sold it.
There are a ton of small inexpensive tools out there that can make the job a snap.
Don't have to spend a small fortune on Doo Dads like I did before I saw the Light.
Spend a fifty on the small tools and save the rest for good tips, glue and sand paper.
A recent thread on tipping by a player from Norway, or one of those countries that had Vikings at one time. can't remember.
I think his AZ name is Kim Bye or something like that.
He purchased one of those Japanese Chisels and a Japanese knife like the guy in the UTube video.
His first tip job was great using just those 2 items. And that is basically all one needs. Some glue, sand paper, and of course a good tip shaper. I prefer to use a curved shaper that holds strips of sand paper.
If I didn't have a lathe or 3, this is one that I would try fer sure.
When someone said, "Damn trimmer", it made me think of the more expensive Porper.
Because I said the same thing, (much worse actually), many times before I sold it.
There are a ton of small inexpensive tools out there that can make the job a snap.
Don't have to spend a small fortune on Doo Dads like I did before I saw the Light.
Spend a fifty on the small tools and save the rest for good tips, glue and sand paper.
A recent thread on tipping by a player from Norway, or one of those countries that had Vikings at one time. can't remember.
I think his AZ name is Kim Bye or something like that.
He purchased one of those Japanese Chisels and a Japanese knife like the guy in the UTube video.
His first tip job was great using just those 2 items. And that is basically all one needs. Some glue, sand paper, and of course a good tip shaper. I prefer to use a curved shaper that holds strips of sand paper.
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