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Stand behind our Captain and players MC team,,
Nothing is going to change , the Captain and the team have been chosen ,, regardless of what the opinion is on captain or player , it's time we rally behind our team ,, and stop all this negative thinking

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Team America, (BLEEP) Yeah!!
 

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Stand behind our Captain and players MC team,,
Nothing is going to change , the Captain and the team have been chosen ,, regardless of what the opinion is on captain or player , it's time we rally behind our team ,, and stop all this negative thinking

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something we can agree on.
 
I don't know a lot about the MC US Captain, but what difference does it make what anyone says about him? He's going to captain the team; The team is going to play; A team is going to win; A team is going to lose. I doubt if any post on a message board will effect any of the games of the Mosconi Cup.

With that being said, I look forward to watching this year's MC just as much as I've looked forward to any other MC in recent years.
 
Stand behind our Captain and players MC team,,
Nothing is going to change , the Captain and the team have been chosen ,, regardless of what the opinion is on captain or player , it's time we rally behind our team ,, and stop all this negative thinking

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Did you see Sossei on the live stream of New Jersey 9 ball championship yesterday versus Mike Miller? Sossei had many chances to win and it was just ugly.

The issue I have with the process of picking the team is the level of play of some candidates. If you want to field a competitive team you can't pass over several obviously much better players and hope team spirit gets it done. Team spirit is going to get schooled big time.
 
Well, one thing is certain.....the USA has an underdog team to root for this year. Anyway it's races to five and all the players picked can run racks. Even hacks like us can win a race to five against top players once in a while. So these players all have the skills to get there in any given set.

Whether they will or not remains to be seen. A story waiting to be told.

For sure though you can probably get your bets in with great odds against it with Stan James and other bookmakers who apparently were not scarred for life against booking action on pool from the alleged 1991 COC scandal that rocked the world's casinos. :-)
 
Did you see Sossei on the live stream of New Jersey 9 ball championship yesterday versus Mike Miller? Sossei had many chances to win and it was just ugly.

The issue I have with the process of picking the team is the level of play of some candidates. If you want to field a competitive team you can't pass over several obviously much better players and hope team spirit gets it done. Team spirit is going to get schooled big time.

The cake is losing with dignity, something we didn't do last year. The icing would be if they somehow managed to win.

But here's the thing. As long as Europe sends their 1st and 2nd tier pros, it would not matter who was on the US team. We could send our 5 best players, and we would still lose.

I know some might label me Anti-American, but that's just the way it is right now. The Europeans are just at another level than us when it comes to these short race formats.

So when losing is the most likely outcome, I'll take the team that doesn't act like a bunch of crybabies.
 
The cake is losing with dignity, something we didn't do last year. The icing would be if they somehow managed to win.

But here's the thing.
As long as Europe sends their 1st and 2nd tier pros, it would not matter who was on the US team. We could send our 5 best players, and we would still lose.

I know some might label me Anti-American, but that's just the way it is right now. The Europeans are just at another level than us when it comes to these short race formats.

So when losing is the most likely outcome, I'll take the team that doesn't act like a bunch of crybabies.

Hey BeiberLvr. I agree with you whole-heartedly.
I too am not anti-American.
I love my U.S.A Team. but there are the facts with which to contend:

1. European team is better prepared in terms of team-dynamics, spirit, and professionalism.

2. On the main, they have players with more experience, talent, and championships.

But then, that's why Mr. Wilson is focusing on the intangibles as much as the actual team-play this year.
He can't do much about #2, but he can bring the U.S.A team up to par (at the least) on #1.

Sometimes you just can't eat your cake and have it to. (and yes, that's the correct way to say that phrase)
 
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Did you see Sossei on the live stream of New Jersey 9 ball championship yesterday versus Mike Miller? Sossei had many chances to win and it was just ugly.

The issue I have with the process of picking the team is the level of play of some candidates. If you want to field a competitive team you can't pass over several obviously much better players and hope team spirit gets it done. Team spirit is going to get schooled big time.
It would be nice to field the "best" players from the USA. Unfortunately the best players have not gotten the job done much in the recent MC's. Apparently the best players cant make a living playing pool here in the USA. So they play golf, video games who knows, but they dont play enough pool to be competitive with Europe. I think perhaps the best and most experienced appear jaded with the process and display poor attitudes and act petulant and childish. All the sneering and trash talking only accentuate this to be true. Doing the same thing over and over when it hasnt worked is not the direction to go. The new players have something to prove and will come in more prepared. There should in the future be a USA MC fund established to support our team and their needs so they can succeed. I will be proud if they dont act badly and consider that a step in the right direction. Good luck guys!
 
Did you see Sossei on the live stream of New Jersey 9 ball championship yesterday versus Mike Miller? Sossei had many chances to win and it was just ugly.

The issue I have with the process of picking the team is the level of play of some candidates. If you want to field a competitive team you can't pass over several obviously much better players and hope team spirit gets it done. Team spirit is going to get schooled big time.

Yeah...Did you see all those world champions MISSING in the World Cup of Pool. Disgusting! They should throw those guys out! Everybody plays a bad game now and then...even you, takeitdown. Sossei has proven himself worthy of a spot on the Mosconi team many times already. Sheesh!

Scott Lee
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Stand behind our Captain and players MC team,,
Nothing is going to change , the Captain and the team have been chosen ,, regardless of what the opinion is on captain or player , it's time we rally behind our team ,, and stop all this negative thinking

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What form as that to take, face painting, driving around blowing my horn yelling "We are No. 1"? Do they market any tee shirts supporting them? I might ware a tee shirt.
 
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What form as that to take, face painting, driving around blowing my horn yelling "We are No. 1"? Do they market any tee shirts supporting them? I might ware a tee shirt.

I guess just a general positive vibe to show support for the players who end up on the team. Instead of carping on how little chance they have, inexperience etc.....

Just try whenever you can to pump them up and feed their confidence. Inasmuch as you care to support either team that is.

One thing that is pretty cool is that all these players are accessible on Facebook. Easy to give them some kudos and wish them the best. Equally easy to refrain from the knock and be positive about the team from this point forward.
 
Did you see Sossei on the live stream of New Jersey 9 ball championship yesterday versus Mike Miller? Sossei had many chances to win and it was just ugly.

The issue I have with the process of picking the team is the level of play of some candidates. If you want to field a competitive team you can't pass over several obviously much better players and hope team spirit gets it done. Team spirit is going to get schooled big time.

Did you see Sossei at the Steinway Classic 10-ball event in August? He beat Shane pretty easily. Maybe Shane's not worthy.
 
The team will be selected after the US Open and, then, we can get fully behind them.
 
The team will be selected after the US Open and, then, we can get fully behind them.

Interesting paragraph from an article in this month's Billiards Digest:

"I will be at the U.S. Open," said Wilson, "but I don't think performance at the tournament will be a big factor, unless, of course, someone comes out of nowhere to win it. I'll probably make a decision two weeks after that. The announcement will come through Matchroom."
 
Interesting paragraph from an article in this month's Billiards Digest:

"I will be at the U.S. Open," said Wilson, "but I don't think performance at the tournament will be a big factor, unless, of course, someone comes out of nowhere to win it. I'll probably make a decision two weeks after that. The announcement will come through Matchroom."

Thanks for sharing this. Probably right --- while it's a last chance for his guys to blow him away with a great performance, by now Mark likely has a good sense of which of his players, all of whom have made his selection criteria for inclusion, have made the grade through their play in 2014.

I'm sure we're both looking forward to the announcement of the team.
 
If you want to field a competitive team you can't pass over several obviously much better players and hope team spirit gets it done.

LMAO. Let's keep doing the same thing over and over and keep hoping for it to somehow magically turn out differently. :banghead: Yeah, that's the ticket. LMAO. :rotflmao1:

You might have a point if all you cared about was winning at all cost, even if you made an a$$ out of your country/people in front of the whole world in the process. But most Americans do actually care about not representing our country and people to be spoiled, bullies, crybabies, mentally unstable, and poor sportsman on the world stage.

And you might have a point if individual skill was all that mattered. But this is a team event, not an individual event. The players are playing together as a team, and for the team (and country), not just for/by themselves. Whether or not teammates can support and encourage and get along with each other always has a great effect on the team's performance and this holds true for any team in any sport.

And you might have a point if all our highest skilled players always gave 100% effort all of the time. The fact of the matter is that they don't. And they tend to be at their worst in this regard when at the Mosconi Cup where they are already getting a free paid vacation and a very sizeable payment just for showing up. Way too many have given less than 100% and just coasted or even worse just given up.

And you might have a point if all our highest skilled players would make the effort to prepare and practice for this event. The sad truth is, many don't. They show up and collect their free vacation and big paycheck just for being there, and if they happen to win and get an even bigger check that is just gravy but all they really cared about was the free vacation and big paycheck they were getting just for giving up a few days of their time to show up.

And you might have a point if we had 5 players whose individual skills would be equal to or above the skills of the top 5 Europeans. We don't. In fact our top 5 individual players might not even be favored against their 4th string team (the 16th through 20th best Europeans).

And you might have a point if our top players had a recent history of winning, or at least keeping the results super close. Our top players have been so far from being competitive in recent years it would be funny if it wasn't so embarrassing. Their latest result in fact was [tied for] the worst whipping in the history of the event, 11-2. The only thing even close was when we beat the Europeans by the same score many moons ago before they ever even played the game and had to send their snooker players over to play an unfamiliar game.

And you might have a point if our players could be trusted to never intentionally dump matches. While it has not been proven (to my knowledge), unfortunately it is very highly suspected that some intentional dumping likely has occurred on the American side in the past.


Team spirit is going to get schooled big time.

LMAO. Just what do you call last year's 11-2 loss? You don't call that a schooling? What about our performance for the last few years running for that matter? You don't call that a schooling either? You have your head in the sand if you don't think we have been getting schooled for years now. The simple fact is our top players can't even come close to being competitive, yet you are arguing that we should just keep doing the same old thing that isn't even coming remotely close to working. The proverbial definition of insanity is "doing the same things over and over and expecting different results," and by that definition you are definitely insane.

It is clearly time to try something, anything, new besides the same old "send our best 5 individually skilled players" which is proven to be an utter and dismal failure. And there isn't really anything we could do that could make it any worse so there is nothing to lose by trying a different approach. What we appear to need is players that are going to take it seriously, that are going to give 100% effort, who would never dump, that are going to represent our country with some class, that are going to practice and prepare, and that are going to be team players who encourage and support each other. Unfortunately this leaves out some of the players with the best "individual skills". Maybe this new direction will lead to improved results, and maybe it won't, but to continue doing what we were doing where we are picking based only on the best individually skilled players would be beyond idiotic considering the now long and proven history of failing miserably with this tactic.

And as someone else mentioned, even if there were no improvement in results it would still be a team we would be more proud of because they better represented us with more effort and character. Making these changes seems like a win/win all the way around (and can't lose us much if anything) but the one thing that is beyond clear is that you have to be an idiot not to try something different at this point because the "same ole" sure isn't working. Let's see how it goes and analyze and make judgment after.
 
... Their latest result in fact was [tied for] the worst whipping in the history of the event, 11-2. The only thing even close was when we beat the Europeans by the same score many moons ago before they ever even played the game and had to send their snooker players over to play an unfamiliar game. ...

Although it has no real bearing on the points you're making, you're off a bit on the facts here. The first MC was in 1994, but the worst beating didn't come until 2001 in London, when the USA (Archer, Deuel, Jones, Strickland, Varner, Williams) beat Europe (Chamat, Davis, Feijen, Immonen, Knight, Souquet) 12-1.
 
I just watched the Cleveland Browns come back being down 28 to 3.....28 to 10 at the half. I am convinced that either anything can happen,... Or the apocalypse is coming! I will not give up on the team that Mark Wilson put together. Not until the last 9 ball falls. I refuse to have negative thoughts about this years team or captain. And I will never be convinced otherwise. This years MC team is going to win! I can't wait till December so I can say.... I TOLD YOU SO!
 
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