How Would You Play This?

Is that Landon Shuffet's "never worked a day in my life" arms and hands in the pics?

Just shoot forward and bump the 8. Why break out balls that are not tied up?
 
Humph...I envisioned needing a lot of outside spin to increase chances of contacting only the 7.

Guess there must be more than one way to skin a chicken befor it hatches, for Pete out loud.

Jaden said:
I wouldn't just use straight draw here, and this is why.

I would want to hit this shot a a little firmly and any time you hit a draw shot firmly, it's going to follow the tangent longer before the cb bites into the cloth and begins to come back.

In this case, at the firmness I would want to hit it at to make sure I break the balls away, it would send me into the nine too squarely and the nine could end up blocking me on the six or is more likely to tie up with the seven.

I would instead shoot it with inside draw changing the rebound angle some and allowing it to hit just the seven leaving the nine and the eight in place.

By hitting it more firmly, even if I barely hit the seven it should have enough velocity to go into the rail and come back out in front of the side and as has already been pointed out, the six is make able from almost any where on the table as long as you aren't blocked, which is why I don't like moving more balls around by just drawing and hoping.

Jaden
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Estimating by the small hand and the bridge, it looks like Alex Pagulayan to me...

I will set this up tomorrow in the club and play 3~4 different solutions. Hope I won't forget the camera to take pictures from the outcome of that.
 
I think there are a couple of decisions to be made.

Safe?:

Stun straight forward sending the 5ball 4 legs of a 5 railer to end up on the same long rail below the side pocket. The 6 takes away some of the 2 rail kick path or makes it tighter.

Might get a hit 2 rails tight out of the top corner opposite of the cluster.

Since 7 only wants to go in the side, playing the four rail shape to seven means getting good 5 to 6 with BIH. (I'm assuming the fourth rail is with a reverse spinning cb after sending the cb 3 rails short to the unclustered long rail near the corner.)

That shape has to be pretty good. With BIH...doable if you like that shot, and it likes you.

Shooting to run:

Center stun/(small amount of left)..moderate speed: I can see the 8 rolling forward to the rail. Maybe catch a little of the 9, push the 9 to the rail, and bump the 7 out in front of the side. 6 to 7 probably no issue. 7 to 8: Leave angle and make 8 with inside, 3 railing around for 9 same pocket? Or get flat 7 to 8. And flat 8 to9, shooting 9 past the side to lower corner. Not my favorite.


OR:

Draw medium hard into 9. Bounce the 9 off the rail. Send the 7 down in the area of the 6, adding possible traffic to the 6 ball shot or shape 6 to 7. Cb come off 9 and bump 8 out toward other top center/corner? In general...rearrange the furniture and rely on access to the 6 to create a new plan. (assuming the 7 hasn't fouled up the 6 options)

I can see a couple of approaches that could work out. But moving balls is always a risk ...but so too is leaving the original layout unchanged. Good shape on the 7 is critical to fall right on unmoved 8 and 9.

biggest decision: Own the shooting choice. Even if initial safe is effective...probably have to shoot your way home.


Thanks for a pesky Wachagonnado?
 
3RAILKICK said:
I think there are a couple of decisions to be made.

Safe?:

Stun straight forward sending the 5ball 4 legs of a 5 railer to end up on the same long rail below the side pocket. The 6 takes away some of the 2 rail kick path or makes it tighter.

Might get a hit 2 rails tight out of the top corner opposite of the cluster.

Since 7 only wants to go in the side, playing the four rail shape to seven means getting good 5 to 6 with BIH. (I'm assuming the fourth rail is with a reverse spinning cb after sending the cb 3 rails short to the unclustered long rail near the corner.)

That shape has to be pretty good. With BIH...doable if you like that shot, and it likes you.

Shooting to run:

Center stun/(small amount of left)..moderate speed: I can see the 8 rolling forward to the rail. Maybe catch a little of the 9, push the 9 to the rail, and bump the 7 out in front of the side. 6 to 7 probably no issue. 7 to 8: Leave angle and make 8 with inside, 3 railing around for 9 same pocket? Or get flat 7 to 8. And flat 8 to9, shooting 9 past the side to lower corner. Not my favorite.


OR:

Draw medium hard into 9. Bounce the 9 off the rail. Send the 7 down in the area of the 6, adding possible traffic to the 6 ball shot or shape 6 to 7. Cb come off 9 and bump 8 out toward other top center/corner? In general...rearrange the furniture and rely on access to the 6 to create a new plan. (assuming the 7 hasn't fouled up the 6 options)

I can see a couple of approaches that could work out. But moving balls is always a risk ...but so too is leaving the original layout unchanged. Good shape on the 7 is critical to fall right on unmoved 8 and 9.

biggest decision: Own the shooting choice. Even if initial safe is effective...probably have to shoot your way home.


Thanks for a pesky Wachagonnado?
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Yes! I love the 4 railer:) I watched Corey Cruel hit that shot an I practiced it! It comes up a lot more than I thought!
 
Stun between 9 and 8, little bit of left hand side, nudge the 9 off the rail, bring the cue ball out in the open.
 
a smidge below center ball, a smidge of left and then i drill it...cue caroms off 8 into 9. (and hope the 9 doesnt stop between cue and 6, lol)
 
owll said:
a smidge below center ball, a smidge of left and then i drill it...cue caroms off 8 into 9. (and hope the 9 doesnt stop between cue and 6, lol)
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Shooter was Johnny Archer and he ran the table from here.

I think he hit it with much draw and left English but this shot is essentially what he shot.

Of course, the 9 and 7 separated and the 8 moved as well. You couldn't ask for a better leave than this:smile:.

ONB


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I set it up twice and was able to make the 5 and just nudge the 7 over in front of the side pocket both times. Maybe I didn't get it lined up with enough angle on the 5. I tried to set it by looking at the diamonds for reference.
 
Old Nine Baller said:
Shooter was Johnny Archer and he ran the table from here.

I think he hit it with much draw and left English but this shot is essentially what he shot.

Of course, the 9 and 7 separated and the 8 moved as well. You couldn't ask for a better leave than this:smile:.

ONB


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How much of this shot do you think Johnny had predicted before the shot?

Pocketing the five, sending the cueball into the cluster with left english to try to get it to come back around here, and bring the cluster balls balls to rest... anywhere they seperate to.


That's pretty much how I think his thought process went here.
 
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Hits 'em Hard said:
Aim 1/4" below center of cue ball, shoot firm. Don't try and draw it, make sure to hit as hard as you feel comfortable with for pocketing the 5. The cue ball caroms off the 8 into the bottom side of the 9. Doing that should knock the 7 out enough for the side pocket comfortably, and the 9 somewhere near the rail. The 8 should travel closer towards the corner pocket. Cue ball will go off the bottom of the 9, into the rail and rebound back out for position around center table. If I need to explain the out afterwards, I didn't label the pockets correctly.
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Old Nine Baller said:
Shooter was Johnny Archer and he ran the table from here.

I think he hit it with much draw and left English but this shot is essentially what he shot.

Of course, the 9 and 7 separated and the 8 moved as well. You couldn't ask for a better leave than this:smile:.


ONB


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(((Satori))) said:
How much of this shot do you think Johnny had predicted before the shot?

Pocketing the five, sending the cueball into the cluster with left english to try to get it to come back around here, and bring the cluster balls balls to rest... anywhere they seperate to.


That's pretty much how I think his thought process went here.
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Well beings as he hit my shot, just firmer than I described. I would say he planned that.
 
Different solutions…

I've tried a few solutions for the layout – and this is what happened:

5 – 8 – thicker into the 9:
make the 5, draw into the 8, then into the 9 (the 9 has moved around the 7) – the 7 didn't move – both times the 6 has been available, but it's been a tight squeeze!






5 – 8 – into the cushion – then into the 9:
make the 5, draw into the 8, then into the cushion, touch the low side of the 9 (the 9 didn't move to much, cause it kicked the 7 out) – both times a much simpler 7!






The safety: 5 into the rail, hide the cueball behind the cluster.

1st time: the 5 went 2 rails into the side pocket – I snookered myself on the 6 – bad outcome!

2nd time: perfect safe – but didn't develop the 7 (on our tables the 7 won't even go with ball in hand!) – makes no sense!


3rd time: perfect safe – developed the 7 – almost a must with the 7 that close to the 9!



5 – 8 – tried to get completely around the 9:
That has been almost impossible, so the cueball went in between the 8 and 9 and just touched the 9 almost on the high side (so the 7 got kicked out)!



5 – 8 – high left english – to avoid the 9,7 totally:
also made no sense to me, cause the 7 is not pocketable (on our tables)




I think, what happened on Johnny's shot, is that he went from the 8 into the rail and hit the 9 on the low side (so it kicked the 7 out) – and the cueball went from the low side of the 9 into the table…
 
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Old Nine Baller said:
Shooter was Johnny Archer and he ran the table from here.

I think he hit it with much draw and left English but this shot is essentially what he shot.

Of course, the 9 and 7 separated and the 8 moved as well. You couldn't ask for a better leave than this:smile:.

ONB


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Can we see rolling footage of the shot?

With the illustrated cb paths...not sure the balls can get to their places. Particularly the 9ball. Cb coming off the back side of the 9 would semi freeze the 9 or send it down a tangent line towards the spot area.


If the cb hits the 9ball at about 4:15/4:30, as we view the table layout , the cb travels towards mid table, via a tangent collision line. The 9ball nudges the 7 down it's path from a carom as the 9 begins it's banking track.

probably wrong...but it looks like different strike on 9ball.

As illustrated...If the 9ball stalled in place, got a double kiss from the cb that's trying to get off the rail, could the 9ball and cb have arrived in place?

I hope OP can show or link us the actual shot......slow.

Thanks to OP for the good topic.
 
3RAILKICK said:
Can we see rolling footage of the shot?

With the illustrated cb paths...not sure the balls can get to their places. Particularly the 9ball. Cb coming off the back side of the 9 would semi freeze the 9 or send it down a tangent line towards the spot area.


If the cb hits the 9ball at about 4:15/4:30, as we view the table layout , the cb travels towards mid table, via a tangent collision line. The 9ball nudges the 7 down it's path from a carom as the 9 begins it's banking track.

probably wrong...but it looks like different strike on 9ball.

As illustrated...If the 9ball stalled in place, got a double kiss from the cb that's trying to get off the rail, could the 9ball and cb have arrived in place?

I hope OP can show or link us the actual shot......slow.

Thanks to OP for the good topic.
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I believe the CB had lots of left and little if any draw. Any significant amount of draw and you don't contact the 8 full enough to move it where it went.

To my eyes, the CB makes these collisions: 5, 8, 9, rail, 9.

The 9 (after the initial hit by the CB) goes: 7, rail, CB, rail, and floats out to where it is.

I like Johnny's shot, but I didn't see it at first. What I saw first was to draw off the 5 so I missed the 8 and caromed off both the 9 and 7. I now realize there are more ways to get that wrong than right, unlike Johnny's shot here which minimizes the chance of getting stuck or leaving the balls tied up.

-Andrew
 
liakos said:
Ok, this is actually a really good one:):) most will not agree but that is why we are all individuals:)

Play the 5 with center/top with toi;) and get the cue ball back out of the rail by a diamond. The 8 ball should hit the rail going towards the corner! (Straight pool), play the 6, 4 rails towards the 7 in the side, the 8 will be set up nice:)

It looks difficult, but I just set it up and played it, it's pretty simple! I think because the 6 is open, people are playing to mess with 7-9! The 7 goes in the side no problem, the 6 to the 7 is natural! I always try to play the balls to the pocket if I can, this is one of those situations where your only concern is the 8!
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I agree. I think it's important to consider whether or not it's necessary to mess with the 7/9. In my opinion, if you can run into the 8 and relocate it anywhere off that rail while getting the cueball out in the open, it might be better to leave the 7/9 as is. That said, bad rolls can happen and a fraction of an inch can make a difference. Getting from the 6 to the 7 correctly is going to be a bit of a challenge. You still have the 7 as a practical hanger but you may have to travel around the table to get on the 8.
 
I wouldn't play safe because even with bih you probably aren't going to get a better opportunity to break the balls open. I would put a good stroke on the 5 and draw into the 7 hard enough to avoid getting the cue ball stuck there.

With the 6 ball where it is shape on the 7 should be easy.
 
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