Will this speech be on the Accu-Stats DVD of the finals match? I wonder.
Players not being paid at US Open
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Will this speech be on the Accu-Stats DVD of the finals match? I wonder.
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just a small player, but....
I've read all these posts this morning on AZB plus several more on Facebook, all complaining about Barry, or the U.S. Open in one way or another. Then I remembered that there was a ton of post preceding this event with many of the same concerns, and condemnations of the event and the man running it. It appears that those concerns were true, at least on the surface. How sad. These are only observations of a small player.
Although on a much smaller scale, our local pool room has had several tournaments with money added. They always drew a crowd with some players coming from as far away as two or three states over, which again, is relevant considering the scale of these events compared to the US Open. Never, has there been a problem with paying the players that attended the tourneys. Never has there been any negative feedback on the scale that I am reading here and on Facebook. I play in every one of these events, sometimes I cash sometimes I don't,... but I play in them confidently knowing that I am going to get paid when the tourney is over for me. And I am just a small player.
Even though I am just a small player, I represent the majority of pool players. I'm not pro, but i spend the money to play, to buy cues etc, and to go events like the Open. The Glass City Open was one of my favorite events to go to. Only a couple hours to drive, with a decent hotel, and decent prices, in order for me to see my idol pool players compete. The Derby City Classic is the next event I wish to attend because it seems that all the reviews are positive. It will be my gate money, my spending in the booths, and my feedback, that make that event the next year. Since I can only afford to attend one event where I can buy a cue or two, maybe as case.....stay in a hotel for a few days, etc, this will be the event, not the Open. It's all based on what I keep hearing and reading on the internet and the chat forums.
Since I am not an Open caliber player, it's probably of no concern to the promoters and supporters of the US Open, that my opinion of a once great and prestigous event has come down to a gathering of great players worried about getting paid, a ton of bad word-of-mouth social media reviews, and just plain bad publicity. It might be time to let the US Open come to a close and let other tournaments rise up in it's place for the better of the sport, it's players, and it's spectators. But what do I know? I'm just a small player.
I've read all these posts this morning on AZB plus several more on Facebook, all complaining about Barry, or the U.S. Open in one way or another. Then I remembered that there was a ton of post preceding this event with many of the same concerns, and condemnations of the event and the man running it. It appears that those concerns were true, at least on the surface. How sad. These are only observations of a small player.
Although on a much smaller scale, our local pool room has had several tournaments with money added. They always drew a crowd with some players coming from as far away as two or three states over, which again, is relevant considering the scale of these events compared to the US Open. Never, has there been a problem with paying the players that attended the tourneys. Never has there been any negative feedback on the scale that I am reading here and on Facebook. I play in every one of these events, sometimes I cash sometimes I don't,... but I play in them confidently knowing that I am going to get paid when the tourney is over for me. And I am just a small player.
Even though I am just a small player, I represent the majority of pool players. I'm not pro, but i spend the money to play, to buy cues etc, and to go events like the Open. The Glass City Open was one of my favorite events to go to. Only a couple hours to drive, with a decent hotel, and decent prices, in order for me to see my idol pool players compete. The Derby City Classic is the next event I wish to attend because it seems that all the reviews are positive. It will be my gate money, my spending in the booths, and my feedback, that make that event the next year. Since I can only afford to attend one event where I can buy a cue or two, maybe as case.....stay in a hotel for a few days, etc, this will be the event, not the Open. It's all based on what I keep hearing and reading on the internet and the chat forums.
Since I am not an Open caliber player, it's probably of no concern to the promoters and supporters of the US Open, that my opinion of a once great and prestigous event has come down to a gathering of great players worried about getting paid, a ton of bad word-of-mouth social media reviews, and just plain bad publicity. It might be time to let the US Open come to a close and let other tournaments rise up in it's place for the better of the sport, it's players, and it's spectators. But what do I know? I'm just a small player.
Unlike the Americans, the European pros need those so-called "WPA ranking points" for inclusion in high-caliber events like the Mosconi Cup.
I'm not sure what good WPA ranking points are for Americans since we have no professional tour or no governing body anymore.
Because of those stupid, idiotic, nonsensical, no-good WPA ranking points, the Europeans who desire to stay on top of the Euro rankings are forced to attend events like the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship.
Meanwhile, the WPA members get their 10 percent tax of the event paid to them by tournament promoters and travel the world, treated like celebrities at pool competitions, and eating banquets in Qatar with royalty.
I still don't get the value of the WPA. Like the BCA, I believe they're worthless to the American pro. European pros, however, these poor chaps at stuck going to WPA-ranked events, whether they get paid or not. :sorry:
I'm not sure what good WPA ranking points are for Americans since we have no professional tour or no governing body anymore.
Because of those stupid, idiotic, nonsensical, no-good WPA ranking points, the Europeans who desire to stay on top of the Euro rankings are forced to attend events like the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship.
Meanwhile, the WPA members get their 10 percent tax of the event paid to them by tournament promoters and travel the world, treated like celebrities at pool competitions, and eating banquets in Qatar with royalty.
I still don't get the value of the WPA. Like the BCA, I believe they're worthless to the American pro. European pros, however, these poor chaps at stuck going to WPA-ranked events, whether they get paid or not. :sorry:
Not if Accu-Stat ever wants to be at the Open again. If there is even ever another U.S Open. I mean, how many passes does Barry get. Anyone with half a brain can see every year less and less fans going through the gate...most die away because pool doesn't replenish. Sponsors are less and less because Barry's way of doing business/fraud and they want no part of him or the Open, and some have left pool all together because of the way it's run. Johnnyt
Yep, all the IPT money. At the last IPT event, Keith sold his interest in his payout for 10 percent less, meaning somebody paid Keith 90 percent of his check right then and there, but they had to wait for their 100 percent to come to them later, which it did, all 100 percent of it in four installments.
Matter of fact, here's a little pool smut about the photo below. At the 2006 IPT North American 8-Ball Championship held at the Venetian in Las Vegas, Keith and I drive out there from East Coast. I don't fly in airplanes, so that was the only way we were going to get there -- if we went together.
When we arrived to the practice room on the first night, Keith's check for the qualifiers was not there, as promised. I was pissed. We were supposed to get it right then and there. Keith went straight up to Kevin Trudeau and asked him for it, and guess what? Next day, Keith got paid.
In this photo, you can see Keith asking Kevin for the money.
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The pro's should know by now that if they place high in the Open they are going to be paid late and maybe only a partial payment. They seem to figure that the US Open ran Barry's way is better than no event at all and they are probably right sad as that is to say!
It would seem reasonable to prorate everyone's money instead of paying out the people that cash low in full and then not having the money to pay the highest placing players anything at all but I guess the lower placing players have to be paid to keep the poop from hitting the fan until after the final.
I hated to comment hoping this was all based on rumor until I saw the note that I believe is authentic. Once the delaying games start the odds of all checks being good in another week are about zero. Only a sugardaddy coming through is likely to make it happen.
Mark, you have an extra hunnert thousand laying around?? :grin:
Hu
The pro's should know by now that if they place high in the Open they are going to be paid late and maybe only a partial payment. They seem to figure that the US Open ran Barry's way is better than no event at all and they are probably right sad as that is to say!
It would seem reasonable to prorate everyone's money instead of paying out the people that cash low in full and then not having the money to pay the highest placing players anything at all but I guess the lower placing players have to be paid to keep the poop from hitting the fan until after the final.
I hated to comment hoping this was all based on rumor until I saw the note that I believe is authentic. Once the delaying games start the odds of all checks being good in another week are about zero. Only a sugardaddy coming through is likely to make it happen.
Mark, you have an extra hunnert thousand laying around?? :grin:
Hu
Damn that guy in the foreground looks like Cesar Morales!Yep, all the IPT money. At the last IPT event, Keith sold his interest in his payout for 10 percent less, meaning somebody paid Keith 90 percent of his check right then and there, but they had to wait for their 100 percent to come to them later, which it did, all 100 percent of it in four installments.
Matter of fact, here's a little pool smut about the photo below. At the 2006 IPT North American 8-Ball Championship held at the Venetian in Las Vegas, Keith and I drive out there from East Coast. I don't fly in airplanes, so that was the only way we were going to get there -- if we went together.
When we arrived to the practice room on the first night, Keith's check for the qualifiers was not there, as promised. I was pissed. We were supposed to get it right then and there. Keith went straight up to Kevin Trudeau and asked him for it, and guess what? Next day, Keith got paid.
In this photo, you can see Keith asking Kevin for the money.
:grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:
Somebody captured Barry's remarks about getting paid on FB. If you're a FB member, you may be able to listen to the 40-second video snippet ---> HERE.
After the remarks, there was a pregnant pause, and then Scott Smith gave an awkward laugh. :embarrassed2:
Does anyone know if Shane is now #1 in the world WPA rankings?
Sadly, I have experienced several tournament promoters throw in the towel on what I considered first-class events: Glass City Open (Toledo, OH) and Capital City Open (Maryland and Philly). Windy City Open is another one that ceases to exist because the promoters couldn't turn a profit. Breaking even was about the best any of them could do, if they were lucky.
There are so many facets to running an even of this caliber: table rentals, table delivery and setup fees, admins staff, gate staff, tournament directors, venue room rental, room for vendors, advertising, materials for charts, trophies. And these are just the expenses I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more.
Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a 1,000-foot pole if I like money. Most of these kinds of events are promoted by people who have a very deep passion for pool. Like the American pro pool player who follows a tournament trail with low payouts, never able to break even unless they come in first, second, or third, the pool tournament promoter also encounters obstacles.
Now, there are successful tournament promoters, but they have other pool ventures subsidizing the pool tournaments. Pro pool, in particular, is a losing venture for most.
Can you even do that?
My opinion-Just too many expenses, too little income. Nothing to hide, nothing to steal. No hidden stash of cash. He probably was broke before the event to start with of course.
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