Shane Has Won World Titles

Crickets with regards to my call out a few posts back, just as I expected. The fact is that while you goddamn morons keep chirping about Shane not winning a world title and not being the best, none of you will back it up and you all know that nobody in the world, including all of these short race heroes will play Shane for any cheese. PERIOD

So, kindly shit the f$&@ up or get a player and let's get it.
 
corvette1340 said:
Crickets with regards to my call out a few posts back, just as I expected. The fact is that while you goddamn morons keep chirping about Shane not winning a world title and not being the best, none of you will back it up and you all know that nobody in the world, including all of these short race heroes will play Shane for any cheese. PERIOD

So, kindly shit the f$&@ up or get a player and let's get it.
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Money was put up at CSI race to 21 and Ko blew by Shane like a Ferrari blows by a vette
Oh that's right 21 not enough games ,, my bad :rolleyes:

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one stroke said:
Money was put up at CSI race to 21 and Ko blew by Shane like a Ferrari blows by a vette
Oh that's right 21 not enough games ,, my bad :rolleyes:

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Absolutely right, here's an excerpt form the trip report I filed a few days after the CSI events:

sjm said:
Thursday, July 17: Shane Van Boening vs. Ko Pin Yi, Race to 21
Things began with a couple of pleasant surprises: a) Bill Incardona, chatted with me for over half an hour about pool's good old days and many of our mutual friends, and b) it turned out that AZB poster Vagabond purchased the seat next to me. He's a good friend of many years. He was classy and exquisitely dressed, as always.

Before the match, it seemed that almost everybody who would sweat the match wanted a side bet on Shane and the Ko stake-horse obliged. Shane himself had a large side bet on the match. Much money was bet by many in this one, certainly at least $20,000 in total.

In the marathon race to 21, Van Boening led early but Ko kept it close. Ko appeared to be about to take the lead but miscued on a combo on the ten ball at 14-14. The difference in the match was surely defense. Shane rarely prevailed in racks he had to fight for with defense or kicking. Ko didn't play even close to his best in this one, but was clearly the better player and the deserving winner, 21-17.
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My best guess is that the Ko camp, which took nearly all of the side action on this match, made a score of more than $20,000.
 
sjm said:
Absolutely right, here's an excerpt form the trip report I filed a few days after the CSI events:



My best guess is that the Ko camp, which took nearly all of the side action on this match, made a score of more than $20,000.
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And then they didn't want to play again for more money. Figure that one out.

Although I don't think 20k was bet on the original match.

If Ko is clearly the better player why won't he play a longer race for more money?
 
JB Cases said:
And then they didn't want to play again for more money. Figure that one out.

Although I don't think 20k was bet on the original match.

If Ko is clearly the better player why won't he play a longer race for more money?
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Not quite verifiable, John, but I sat ringside before the match and saw the Ko backer circulating and accepting bet after bet from the rail and others. Within my earshot, I got a sense of the bet sizes, too. Jay's estimate was that $20,000 was the amount bet against Ko, but I think it was a little more. Guess we'll never know.

FYI, for my money, a race to 21 IS a marathon, and I found myself doing some yawning as I watched.

About three days later, Ko beat Shane again in the CSI 10-ball event to eliminate him. Shane cashed for 1,500 and Ko cashed for 8,000.

Exactly how many times must Ko beat Shane for it to mean anything?
 
sjm said:
Not quite verifiable, John, but I sat ringside before the match and saw the Ko backer circulating and accepting bet after bet from the rail and others. Within my earshot, I got a sense of the bet sizes, too. Jay's estimate was that $20,000 was the amount bet against Ko, but I think it was a little more. Guess we'll never know.

FYI, for my money, a race to 21 IS a marathon, and I found myself doing some yawning as I watched.

About three days later, Ko beat Shane again in the CSI 10-ball event to eliminate him. Shane cashed for 1,500 and Ko cashed for 8,000.

Exactly how many times must Ko beat Shane for it to mean anything?
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I didn't say it doesn't mean anything. Of course any victory at the pro level means something. Perhaps you misunderstand me. I think Ko and several other players in Taiwan and China are Shane's equals. I don't think that they are better players than Shane although they might be in certain aspects of the game.

I am not one of the "Shane is the best in the world" people. As you know I was in China for seven years. But I am also not in the Shane is not as good as (x-group of Asian/European players) camp either just because he hasn't won a major outside the USA yet.

I think it's demeaning to knock Shane because he hasn't won a WC yet. Neither have the Ko brothers afaik. At least not a grown-up one.

All I am saying is that regardless of how many tournament matches or exhibition matches Ko wins you have to admire a guy who stands up and says let's play heads-up for a lot more money in a longer race. And when Ko's backer who was taking all bets as you say won't take Shane up on that I have to ask why not?

Why not go ahead and demolish Shane at the format that so many say he can't lose at? And take down much more money while they are at it.
 
JB Cases said:
I didn't say it doesn't mean anything. Of course any victory at the pro level means something. Perhaps you misunderstand me. I think Ko and several other players in Taiwan and China are Shane's equals. I don't think that they are better players than Shane although they might be in certain aspects of the game.

I am not one of the "Shane is the best in the world" people. As you know I was in China for seven years. But I am also not in the Shane is not as good as (x-group of Asian/European players) camp either just because he hasn't won a major outside the USA yet.

I think it's demeaning to knock Shane because he hasn't won a WC yet. Neither have the Ko brothers afaik. At least not a grown-up one.

All I am saying is that regardless of how many tournament matches or exhibition matches Ko wins you have to admire a guy who stands up and says let's play heads-up for a lot more money in a longer race. And when Ko's backer who was taking all bets as you say won't take Shane up on that I have to ask why not?

Why not go ahead and demolish Shane at the format that so many say he can't lose at? And take down much more money while they are at it.
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Like you, John, I see Shane as comparable to the most elite, but not necessarily better than guys like Ko Pin Yi and Orcullo. Actually Ko Pin Yi won the Japan Open, which is one of the most elite WPA Championships.
 
ideologist said:
Most winnings annually is a leadleader board most people want to top.

It's not a formal tournament, but to quote The Baltimore Bullet - "cash is where it's at! "
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Only in the seedy world of pool do people seem to consider winning gambling matches more important than winning prestigious titles.

corvette1340 said:
More idiocy from the same people about the same thing.
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that's pretty funny coming from a broken record like you.
 
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leto1776 said:
Only in the seedy world of pool do people seem to consider winning gambling matches more important than winning prestigious titles.



that's pretty funny coming from a broken record like you.
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Ideologist wasn't referring to Shane being a top the gambling money leaderboards, he was talking about him being a top the tournament money leaderboards...

just saying...

Jaden
 
sjm said:
Like you, John, I see Shane as comparable to the most elite, but not necessarily better than guys like Ko Pin Yi and Orcullo. Actually Ko Pin Yi won the Japan Open, which is one of the most elite WPA Championships.
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The Japan Open is comparable to the US Open. It has also been running longer than the WPA has existed iirc.

If it is a World title then so is the US Open.

I said Ko has no world championship, yet.
 
sjm said:
Not quite verifiable, John, but I sat ringside before the match and saw the Ko backer circulating and accepting bet after bet from the rail and others. Within my earshot, I got a sense of the bet sizes, too. Jay's estimate was that $20,000 was the amount bet against Ko, but I think it was a little more. Guess we'll never know.

FYI, for my money, a race to 21 IS a marathon, and I found myself doing some yawning as I watched.

About three days later, Ko beat Shane again in the CSI 10-ball event to eliminate him. Shane cashed for 1,500 and Ko cashed for 8,000.

Exactly how many times must Ko beat Shane for it to mean anything?
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This is exactly correct , he came he saw he conquered ,, he didn't have a rematch stipulation clause attached ,, just like Lou does not owe JB one ,,

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Lmao, Ko doesn't want to play a longer race because he knows he can't f$&& ing get there. FACT

If he really thought he could beat Shane in a longer race then why in the world wouldn't he play him? He could make more in that one race than he could in the next 4 years on tour. This goes for anyone in the world. If any player wanted to make a 6 figure score then all they have to do is come over and play Shane a race to 100 10-ball match. It won't happen because everyone knows who the best in the world is.

Let all of those Asian so-called champions stick to their short races and alternate break formats. It suits them better and let's them have a chance at winning.
 
corvette1340 said:
Lmao, Ko doesn't want to play a longer race because he knows he can't f$&& ing get there. FACT

If he really thought he could beat Shane in a longer race then why in the world wouldn't he play him? He could make more in that one race than he could in the next 4 years on tour. This goes for anyone in the world. If any player wanted to make a 6 figure score then all they have to do is come over and play Shane a race to 100 10-ball match. It won't happen because everyone knows who the best in the world is.

Let all of those Asian so-called champions stick to their short races and alternate break formats. It suits them better and let's them have a chance at winning.
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So you're a mind reader?
 
leto1776 said:
So you're a mind reader?
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Yes. Right now you and every other clown on here that doesn't understand variance and how short races favor the weaker player and levels the playing field are thinking "damnit, I wish I had the money to waste on putting up one of these Asian champions in a long race"
 
corvette1340 said:
This goes for anyone in the world. If any player wanted to make a 6 figure score then all they have to do is come over and play Shane a race to 100 10-ball match. It won't happen because everyone knows who the best in the world is.
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Since when is a race to 100 at 10 ball the be all and end all... Shane has shown before he excels in a marathon format...

I'll tell you one thing, the format in the US Open, rack your own, no magic rack is hardly the way to tell the best in the world... It tells you a lot about who is best breaking their own rack...

Shane played great in the final for sure, and I don't think any less of him as a player for not winning a world title yet, but dismissing the format in other tournaments just makes you sound ignorant.
 
corvette1340 said:
Yes. Right now you and every other clown on here that doesn't understand variance and how short races favor the weaker player and levels the playing field are thinking "damnit, I wish I had the money to waste on putting up one of these Asian champions in a long race"
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Only an ignoramus like you would see an even playing field as a bad thing. An even playing field is the best way to show whose skill is truly superior. Anyone who needs favorable conditions to win isn't a true champion.
 
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