Congratulations Shane-world pool masters champ
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Just what are you babbling about. Is this you talking or the meds?
Anyway, I fully expect Shane to win a world championship. The question being debated is whether he is, already, a world champion.
Boy, this is getting dumb. Shane hasn't won a world championship, so people want to change what "world championship" means so that by the new definition he won one. Shane is a great player, this stupidity by some of his fans is not worthy of him.
The world championship is the world championship. Period. It's also the toughest event of the year. It's really the only event with all the best players from all over the world. The US Open is great. Derby city is great. I'm sure there are a lot of tournaments in the Philippines and Taiwan that are great and have really tough fields too. But none of those are the world championship.
How about just waiting until he wins an actual world championship before saying he's a world champion? Chances are, one of these years he's gonna get one. I don't get it. Are the Shane fans secretly worried that he doesn't have what it takes to bring home the big one, so they have to make excuses?
The world championship is the world championship. Period. It's also the toughest event of the year. It's really the only event with all the best players from all over the world. The US Open is great. Derby city is great. I'm sure there are a lot of tournaments in the Philippines and Taiwan that are great and have really tough fields too. But none of those are the world championship.
How about just waiting until he wins an actual world championship before saying he's a world champion? Chances are, one of these years he's gonna get one. I don't get it. Are the Shane fans secretly worried that he doesn't have what it takes to bring home the big one, so they have to make excuses?
the All-Japan Open has a winner's break, rack-your-own format which is really favorable for SVB.
:clapping: GO GO GO SHANE VAN BOENING!!! :clapping:
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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about regarding whether or not SVB or Niels or Dennis O or whomever else are "world champions". This is pool and pool as an organization is, well ,pitiful. Not the bca nor the WPA mean much because, unfortunately every single field assembled fails to collect all the worlds best players under one roof. Until that happens, all of this discussion is merely pissing in the wind.
buddha162, that is the contention here ... Shane won an event in 2007 called the World 10-ball Championship but it was not sanctioned by the WPA.
no one's trying to change anything...
The only thing that's being brought up is WHAT is the definition of a world championship.
Shane HAS won an event put on as a world event with a world class field of players and as pitiful as it is a world class payout.
Since past acknowledged world champions have won tournaments that were called world championships that were NOT sanctioned by the WPA, the question arises what is different about the world championship that Shane won from those events???
The answer is that there is no difference except that people don't want to acknowledge them because Shane won it.
If you acknowledge Earl as a five time world champion, then you have to acknowledge Shane as a 1 time world Champion or you are a hypocrite. That is what was being brought up.
Even that isn't the REAL question though.
Any time someone brings up the opinion that Shane is the best in the world, the SAME people have come up with some excuse as to why he isn't. Oh they try to mask it by saying he's ONE of the best or that they HOPE he becomes the best, but that's all obfuscation and bullshit.
First it's, "well he hasn't proved himself over a several year period", then when he does that, "he only wins in the US and isn't a World Champion yet", then when he wins an international title with world in the name, "oh well he still isn't a world champion because he hasn't won a world championship", then when it's pointed out that he DID win a world championship in 2007, it's "but that wasn't sanctioned by the WPA", then when it's pointed out that other world championships have been acknowledged as such when they weren't sanctioned by the WPA, it's "What were we talking about"...
It's always some excuse to knock Shane down and it gets tired and it's pretty transparent to anyone with half a brain what's going on.
I wasn't that way when Efren was the best in the world, although I DO know people that were and would deny his being the best based on whatever you want to call it, National pride, Racism, whatever. I didn't abide that attitude closed lipped when it was my fellow countrymen doing it and I don't abide it when it's other people doing it...
Jaden
The only thing that's being brought up is WHAT is the definition of a world championship.
Shane HAS won an event put on as a world event with a world class field of players and as pitiful as it is a world class payout.
Since past acknowledged world champions have won tournaments that were called world championships that were NOT sanctioned by the WPA, the question arises what is different about the world championship that Shane won from those events???
The answer is that there is no difference except that people don't want to acknowledge them because Shane won it.
If you acknowledge Earl as a five time world champion, then you have to acknowledge Shane as a 1 time world Champion or you are a hypocrite. That is what was being brought up.
Even that isn't the REAL question though.
Any time someone brings up the opinion that Shane is the best in the world, the SAME people have come up with some excuse as to why he isn't. Oh they try to mask it by saying he's ONE of the best or that they HOPE he becomes the best, but that's all obfuscation and bullshit.
First it's, "well he hasn't proved himself over a several year period", then when he does that, "he only wins in the US and isn't a World Champion yet", then when he wins an international title with world in the name, "oh well he still isn't a world champion because he hasn't won a world championship", then when it's pointed out that he DID win a world championship in 2007, it's "but that wasn't sanctioned by the WPA", then when it's pointed out that other world championships have been acknowledged as such when they weren't sanctioned by the WPA, it's "What were we talking about"...
It's always some excuse to knock Shane down and it gets tired and it's pretty transparent to anyone with half a brain what's going on.
I wasn't that way when Efren was the best in the world, although I DO know people that were and would deny his being the best based on whatever you want to call it, National pride, Racism, whatever. I didn't abide that attitude closed lipped when it was my fellow countrymen doing it and I don't abide it when it's other people doing it...
Jaden
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Earl is 22 yrs older for starters so he has competed in way more events. Shane is only 1 win away from 5 US Open wins which would tie Earls long standing record, but has only competed in a few of them, where Earl has been playing in the US Open since the early 80s. Earl has also competed in way more world events than Shane. Those are the only two arguments I can think of.
A world championship is a world championship. Everyone knows what this means. It's a WPA-sanctioned world championship. Which also happens to be the toughest event with the toughest field in the world. When Kevin Trudeau had Mike Sigel play Loree Jon Jones for the "World 8-ball Championship", that was a joke. Everyone knew it. Just because someone calls something "world championship" doesn't make it so.
Do you think it helps Shane's reputation for people to try to weasel him into a world championship through some phony technicality? Of course not. It just makes his fans look like idiots. He's a great player, world class, but hasn't yet won a world championship. He probably will. Just be patient.
Is he the best in the world? Maybe. In my opinion, the best player in the world is the top guy in Taiwan, but I don't know enough about Taiwanese pool to say who is number one. Ko? The other Ko? Chang? The other Chang? Someone else I've never heard of? Even among guys that play regularly in the US, I'd say Shane, Appleton, and Orcollo are a toss-up for number 1. But you can't ignore the rest of the world. That's what "world" champion means.
As far as I know, Shane hasn't won a tournament that has had a full Taiwanese contingent. Correct me if I'm wrong. So even if you want to pretend that a non-world-championship actually counts as a world championship, at least pick some event that has the Kos and Changs and the rest of them in it. You can't possibly have a world championship without representation from the nation the produces a huge number of the world's best players, probably more than any other.
But a better thing to do is wait until he wins an actual world championship. Then he will be a world champion. Until then he won't.
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Shane is laughing all the way to the bank making over twice the money of any other player on the planet every year!! I doubt he's losing any sleep in what any of the haters say.. No matter what any of these guys say he still wakes up every morning Shane Van Boening and they wake up well... Haters:grin-square:
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Of course I'm not Shane...
everyone knows, or should know, what Shane's handle on AZ was/is.
I haven't hidden who I am, anyone could have watched me play this weekend in San Diego.
I'm also not a Shane Nuthugger any more than I was an Efren nuthugger in the nineties and early 2000's.
I believe that Shane is CURRENTLY the best player on the planet and he's proven it time and again doing things that just haven't ever been done, or things that have only been done by Efren (back to back DCC one pocket wins for example).
half of the US Open titles in the last eight years. all of them for the last three.
nine and ten ball USBTC champion the same year. high placing in the one pocket and eightball at the same venue.
I was saying the same things about efren when he was winning one hole at dcc practically every year and master of the table.
Any one else who accomplishes similar domination I will say the same things about.
It doesn't make me a nuthugger. It makes me astute at observation and willing to acknowledge truth.
Hey Maybe Ko Pin Yi will be better than Shane, but right now he hasn't done enough to drown out the greatness that Shane has shown and no one else in the last several years has shown as much dominance as Shane.
Jaden
everyone knows, or should know, what Shane's handle on AZ was/is.
I haven't hidden who I am, anyone could have watched me play this weekend in San Diego.
I'm also not a Shane Nuthugger any more than I was an Efren nuthugger in the nineties and early 2000's.
I believe that Shane is CURRENTLY the best player on the planet and he's proven it time and again doing things that just haven't ever been done, or things that have only been done by Efren (back to back DCC one pocket wins for example).
half of the US Open titles in the last eight years. all of them for the last three.
nine and ten ball USBTC champion the same year. high placing in the one pocket and eightball at the same venue.
I was saying the same things about efren when he was winning one hole at dcc practically every year and master of the table.
Any one else who accomplishes similar domination I will say the same things about.
It doesn't make me a nuthugger. It makes me astute at observation and willing to acknowledge truth.
Hey Maybe Ko Pin Yi will be better than Shane, but right now he hasn't done enough to drown out the greatness that Shane has shown and no one else in the last several years has shown as much dominance as Shane.
Jaden
He's the best player in the US for sure.
aside from winning US Open titles, where else did Shane dominate? if we're talking about "dominance in the last several years", it would be dennis orcollo IMO.
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spot on
where is this dominance? the weak US open field? and won the derby?
orcullo and Appleton have forgot more titles than shane has and prestigious ones, 8,9,10 world champions, gold medal, intnational challenge of champions US opens, US one pocket back to back and the funniest thing about daz an orcullo]]
orcullo only started playing banks n one pocket couple years ago, and shit daz only started playing American pool in 07 same year svb went pro so I think if your talking dominance these 2 are ahead of the curve
I think the debate in this thread is ultimately unimportant.
Shane is the best all-around player in the world today, and his name is already mentionable with those of Lassiter, Sigel and Varner. It may soon be mentionable with Reyes.
Shane might be the best rotation games player in the world. Ko Pin Yi beat him handily twice in Vegas this July, so it's at least debatable.
Shane has four US Open 9-ball titles and three Derby City 9-ball titles.
Shane has won multiple DCC Master of the Table titles.
Shane is already an all-time great.
Shane is already a legend of the game.
Number one however is this:
Shane is 31
The WPA titles like Japan, China and the World 9-ball will all appear on Shane's resume soon. It's only a matter of time, and then we can debate whether he's the greatest player ever.
Patience please.
Shane is the best all-around player in the world today, and his name is already mentionable with those of Lassiter, Sigel and Varner. It may soon be mentionable with Reyes.
Shane might be the best rotation games player in the world. Ko Pin Yi beat him handily twice in Vegas this July, so it's at least debatable.
Shane has four US Open 9-ball titles and three Derby City 9-ball titles.
Shane has won multiple DCC Master of the Table titles.
Shane is already an all-time great.
Shane is already a legend of the game.
Number one however is this:
Shane is 31
The WPA titles like Japan, China and the World 9-ball will all appear on Shane's resume soon. It's only a matter of time, and then we can debate whether he's the greatest player ever.
Patience please.
^unfortunately though, someone confirmed that Shane is not participating in All-Japan Open this week. as a pool fan, i'm disapponted.
seems his priority is the MC.
His name appears in the Japan Open brackets in Group 2.
yes. and he's supposed to play Antonio Lining. this post says otherwise,
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4972380&postcount=33