Mosconi Cup Unpicked Players Bail Out

bowling has over 2 million league players.....how many does pool have again?

No one's talking about "battle of safes" - people want to see difficult shots, whether it's pool, golf, tennis or even a football player making an unbelievable catch (anyone see last weekend's example?). They play these over and over and over.....how many times have you seen an instant replay in pool? It happens, but rarely indeed.

"so many pool leagues" - I guess that's relative because bowling has over 2 million league players.....how many does pool have again? Is bowling really that much better of a "team" sport than pool? The numbers don't lie, it's 8 times better using those numbers. how many people in the bowling leagues nationwide.

Still, even bowling found out that leagues were NOT where their growth would come from, and I believe every future pool promoter should read the following about bowling: <----click this link for source and more info

There are a number of misconceptions about bowling. During the league era, it was a predominately blue-collar recreation. But today, bowling has shifted to predominately white-collar participants. In 2007, 42 percent of bowlers had household incomes of $75,000 or higher, compared to just 30 percent in that income bracket in the total U.S. population. More than 25 percent of bowlers come from households with $100,000 or higher incomes compared, when only 18 percent of all U.S. households are at the income level.

Today, bowling is not predominately for adults. The highest participation rate is among children: more than one-third of all children 6 and older bowled in 2007. That participation rate is 80 percent greater than the average for all age groups. The next highest participation rate is with young adults up to age 34. The 6 to 34 age group contains two-thirds of all bowlers.

Nor is bowling mostly a recreation for men. In fact, 46 percent of all bowlers are girls and women.


So why is it there's so many pool leagues if it's not a good team sport ,, as a spectator sport , depends who's playing at what level ,, from what I was reading during the CSI US Open and some of the World matches , is people were impressed with the quality, certaily much more enjoyable than a battle of safes ,, only the true hard core fan appreciates a chess game in pool ,

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There will be an incredible amout of U.S. supporters at the Mosconi cup.
Must be at least 100 people from this thread going to show their support for the USA.

Every person slinging mud at these 3 pool players that didn't make the team that decided not to go, MUST be going themselves.

If your one of the patriotic posters accusing others of bailing and non supporting the USA. Please list your name as an attendee at MC
 
TEAM EFFORT - it's like the Pledge of Allegiance, starts with "I", and ends with ALL

Yes, that's correct, thanks, I'm not up to date on my tennis recently, I play once in awhile these days, although I played tennis more than I played pool in my earlier years. There are a lot of similarities when comparing pool and tennis, I would elaborate if anyone's interested.....physically, mentally, and also as a business model.

When you look at why it is still going on it appears to have a critical driving force behind it and it's the players, especially Billy Jean King (remember her historic match with Bobby Riggs?) click link for more

This verifies a point I've made many times in writing on AZ and Face Book - it's the players responsibility to educate themselves in marketing, advertising, public relations and communication techniques.....if the players don't figure out how, it's not going to happen.

This does take expertise, but it all starts with something we've been discussing - A TEAM EFFORT - it's like the Pledge of Allegiance, it starts with "I", and ends with "ALL".

'The game IS the teacher'



It's still going, CJ: http://www.wtt.com/
 
There are a number of misconceptions about bowling. During the league era, it was a predominately blue-collar recreation. But today, bowling has shifted to predominately white-collar participants. In 2007, 42 percent of bowlers had household incomes of $75,000 or higher, compared to just 30 percent in that income bracket in the total U.S. population. More than 25 percent of bowlers come from households with $100,000 or higher incomes compared, when only 18 percent of all U.S. households are at the income level.

Today, bowling is not predominately for adults. The highest participation rate is among children: more than one-third of all children 6 and older bowled in 2007. That participation rate is 80 percent greater than the average for all age groups. The next highest participation rate is with young adults up to age 34. The 6 to 34 age group contains two-thirds of all bowlers.

Nor is bowling mostly a recreation for men. In fact, 46 percent of all bowlers are girls and women.

If 25% of bowlers have an income of $100,000 or higher, and if the 6 to 34 age group contains two-thirds of all bowlers, how many 6 year olds are making $100,000 or higher? :D
 
I will go

There will be an incredible amout of U.S. supporters at the Mosconi cup.
Must be at least 100 people from this thread going to show their support for the USA.

Every person slinging mud at these 3 pool players that didn't make the team that decided not to go, MUST be going themselves.

If your one of the patriotic posters accusing others of bailing and non supporting the USA. Please list your name as an attendee at MC

If I get all expenses paid and ~$700 if we lose and ~$1350 if we win like the 3 players that opted out would have...I am all in!

Wedge
 
There will be an incredible amout of U.S. supporters at the Mosconi cup.
Must be at least 100 people from this thread going to show their support for the USA.

Every person slinging mud at these 3 pool players that didn't make the team that decided not to go, MUST be going themselves.

If your one of the patriotic posters accusing others of bailing and non supporting the USA. Please list your name as an attendee at MC

You aren't the first to make that claim here, but just where is this "mud-slinging" coming from?? If you are referring to not honoring a commitment as mud-slinging, then the problem is yours, not ours.
 
either they have affluent parents or one heck of a "paper route"

I was under the impression it was "household income" - either they have affluent parents or one heck of a "paper route". ;)

Anyone that reads the "bowling link" will develop a different perspective, I know I did!!! Who would have guessed they have this demographic? This didn't just happen, it was reportedly influenced by one of Bill Gates' partners (AtLarge may know his name, I'm drawing a blank) who funded the marketing, advertising and promotion.

It takes sophisticated marketing to develop a demographic like bowling has, and that is the core weakness of pool's history. Only on a few occasions have we used professional people to develop the sport, and that has never lasted long enough to gain momentum.

If 25% of bowlers have an income of $100,000 or higher, and if the 6 to 34 age group contains two-thirds of all bowlers, how many 6 year olds are making $100,000 or higher? :D
 
What is a big deal to me, Mr. Wise Guy is seeing people, INCLUDING YOU, demean three of the really good guys in our sport endlessly over something that will have absolutely zero effect on our Mosconi Cup team this year. FYI it will also have zero effect on these three guys regarding their future participation in the Cup or in any other events they care to play in. Mark would absolutely consider them again if their playing record warranted it.

You may have missed my post #11 in the more positive thread about our team (you probably couldn't be bothered with that thread), but I had a long phone conversation with Mark well before you spoke to him. When the question of the three players going or not going came up, he blew it off as NO BIG DEAL! He said that it will have no effect on the rest of the team or their chances in the Mosconi Cup.

Please carry on Lou. I know you have a lot more to get off your chest. I'm sorry you weren't chosen to be Captain this year, but maybe after reading this thread Matchroom will reach out to you next year.


Really Mr. Dufus? Classic pool player, bs logic:

Player A: I heard he dumped his backer.

Player B: No way. He’s a good guy.

Player A: No, really. I heard he dumped his backer.

Player B: You’re just guessing. Nothing but conjecture.

Player A: I talked to the player last night. He said he dumped.

Player B: Why are you dragging him through the mud?! Shame on you.

Lou Figueroa
 
Pool's simply not a very good "team" sport, that's apparent. The Mosconi Cup is an amazing production and for what it's intended to be it does superbly. Pool is a great solo game more like chess, or checkers. They are great individual games, but awkward in a team format (do they even have team chess?).

With that being said, the MC format doesn't intend on bringing out the best of the game itself. The game is much more complex than just running the table and "high fiving" everyone....you won't see much strategic battling, it's "run and gun" in the Mosconi Cup format, and that's what it's meant to be.....vibrantly entertaining.

Watching a Pro run the table is like watching golfers make 2' and 3' putts, it's interesting for a few minutes, then you want to see difficult situations that force the players to make challenging shots......pool doesn't have this format......yet.



'The Game is the Teacher'


Pool hasn't been a good team sport. MW and crew are trying to change that.

Lou Figueroa
 
There will be an incredible amout of U.S. supporters at the Mosconi cup.
Must be at least 100 people from this thread going to show their support for the USA.

Every person slinging mud at these 3 pool players that didn't make the team that decided not to go, MUST be going themselves.

If your one of the patriotic posters accusing others of bailing and non supporting the USA. Please list your name as an attendee at MC

:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
it's funny, cause NO ONE herein is going & only 10 AZBers attend Vegas.
 
You aren't the first to make that claim here, but just where is this "mud-slinging" coming from?? If you are referring to not honoring a commitment as mud-slinging, then the problem is yours, not ours.
WOW you guys have to relax. Like someone made some commitment to you..
MW asked whoever didn't make the team to attend..
Wasn't MANDATORY rule. Noone raised their hand, signed a contact, put up their first newborn.
What does it matter to you, if they don't want to go.
So important... YOU GO
 
When the US team is playing doubles in the Mosconi Cup, you will see little, if any, discussion of strategy, etc. These guys are all professionals and should know how to run out a rack of 9 ball.


Every MC I have watched, in person, the guys are always talking over strategy, shot selection, and position, most doubles games.

Lou Figueroa
 
they won't let the team down and all be there with bells on

Are you saying they're hypocrites?

Surely they won't let the team down and be there with bells on. :dance:
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There will be an incredible amout of U.S. supporters at the Mosconi cup.
Must be at least 100 people from this thread going to show their support for the USA.

Every person slinging mud at these 3 pool players that didn't make the team that decided not to go, MUST be going themselves.

If your one of the patriotic posters accusing others of bailing and non supporting the USA. Please list your name as an attendee at MC
 
....It would be a different story if you say when they are first chosen as part of the 8, being a part of the 8 means that you will need to commit to going to the mosconi cup regardless as to whether you are part of the playing 5. You will have expenses paid (specifically addressing whether it is expenses paid upfront or reimbersed) and get x amount if we win as a playing team member and x amount if we win as a nonplaying team member.

You know what would hurt a pool player's livelihood? Being so short-sight that you would not keep your word to go if selected, burn bridges on the way out the door, and miss out on the exposure and networking opportunities being in Blackpool would present. Oh yeah, and by showing you weren't a team player, potentially damaging your prospects in future years.

Lou Figueroa

true.
now all of yáll can jump me too.
 
WOW you guys have to relax. Like someone made some commitment to you..
MW asked whoever didn't make the team to attend..
Wasn't MANDATORY rule. Noone raised their hand, signed a contact, put up their first newborn.
What does it matter to you, if they don't want to go.
So important... YOU GO

Ken, please don't knock these clowns off their high horse.

Lou is practically riding a giraffe.
 
you'll get dumped by the pool players - in the English Channel.

pool player logic? You are a hypocrite considering your background.....or should I say "back on the ground".

You do know that Mark Wilson is a pool player. By the way, do you have him playing any matches on video we can watch? I haven't seen him play since I was 17 years old, just wanted to see if his fundamentals have changed.

Maybe when you go you'll get dumped by the pool players - in the English Channel. Here's a map in case you want to memorize the fastest "swimming route".

th



Really Mr. Dufus? Classic pool player, bs logic:

Player A: I heard he dumped his backer.

Player B: No way. He’s a good guy.

Player A: No, really. I heard he dumped his backer.

Player B: You’re just guessing. Nothing but conjecture.

Player A: I talked to the player last night. He said he dumped.

Player B: Why are you dragging him through the mud?! Shame on you.

Lou Figueroa
 
pool player logic? You are a hypocrite considering your background.....or should I say "back on the ground".


You know nothing about my profession... or you wouldn't have made such a mess of your presence here :-)

Lou Figueroa
could have help
 
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