Watch the grip hand on the first shot in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxobcdPCYwE&feature=player_detailpage#t=545
The grip hand slides back on the cue on the backstroke instead of gripping the cue firmly.
Are there any top pros using the slip stroke today?
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Watch the grip hand on the first shot in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxobcdPCYwE&feature=player_detailpage#t=545
The grip hand slides back on the cue on the backstroke instead of gripping the cue firmly.
if he used that "slip stroke" against me, he'd slip and have a stroke.
"Cornbread Red" had the best slip stroke I've witnessed, he could make the cue ball "dance," roll over, then sit up and beg for more. :groucho:
I joked with him at THE RACK in Detroit that if he used that "slip stroke" against me, he'd slip and have a stroke......he just laughed that patented "CornBread Snicker" and spat a mouthful of RedMan in a nearby trash can.
"Cornbread Red" had the best slip stroke I've witnessed, he could make the cue ball "dance," roll over, then sit up and beg for more. :groucho:
I joked with him at THE RACK in Detroit that if he used that "slip stroke" against me, he'd slip and have a stroke......he just laughed that patented "CornBread Snicker" and spat a mouthful of RedMan in a nearby trash can.
is there any added benefit to using slip stroke compared to sticking with normal fundamentals? (head down, level cue, and follow through) just curious
Has someone already told you that there is no benefit?
no. i haven't heard of slip stroke.
I'd suggest that you do what you said, 'head down, level cue, and follow through' & give both versions a try for yourself & then make your own
determinations.
For every 'one' that says it has advantages you'll get 'one' that will argue that it does not.
Good Luck with it if you give it try.
The "slip stroke" went out with hula hoops
It may be necessary to re-evaluate that observation. The "slip stroke" went out with hula hoops. :yeah:
It may be necessary to re-evaluate that observation. The "slip stroke" went out with hula hoops. :yeah:
I'm alive, just living on the far edge of the civilized world!
No joke, I was passing down a local highway earlier today and saw some small children playing pool on a bar table, maybe five or six year olds. The reason I saw them is they were playing under an open shed in the front yard, a new shed built just big enough to cover the table! I wanted to stop and get a picture if allowed but I was jammed for time coming and going. If the people aren't AZB members I'll ask if they mind a picture when I pass by again if I see them outside. If AZB members I'll just suggest they post a picture themselves. Grassroots at it's best!
Sean, I did remember you were a past advocate that gave up the slip stroke. Look at the pictures of Cool Cat or any of the old players or watch them play. The advocates of a level cue didn't mean nearly as level back then. Four inches or more of rise at the back of the cue from the tip was pretty standard. I can't use a slip stroke with my wrapless cue although I have been tempted to pull a Titanic Thompson and powder the entire cue, table, and everyone within ten feet!
Using my cue with a wrap, that slight bit of elevation, and a gentle grip, release, and regrip, I can't find any indication of a twitch. Were there one would it really matter when it was in the front half of the last stroke towards the rear? Would it be more disruptive than changing the signals to the muscles on the final forward stroke as is universal when someone follows through after shortstroking all of the practice strokes? Rhetorical questions that can be debated endlessly.
English, I'm hanging in up here and having a great time. Made a quick pass by a local "pool hall". If what I saw in that quick look during a tournament was any indication they would probably have a necktie party with me as the guest of honor if I spent much time there. Been meaning to get back over there but their hours and the distance from me are awkward. I haven't been to Buff's in ages and have yet to make it to Lacy's. One of these days hopefully, I want to get on that ten footer just for old times sake!
Hu
No joke, I was passing down a local highway earlier today and saw some small children playing pool on a bar table, maybe five or six year olds. The reason I saw them is they were playing under an open shed in the front yard, a new shed built just big enough to cover the table! I wanted to stop and get a picture if allowed but I was jammed for time coming and going. If the people aren't AZB members I'll ask if they mind a picture when I pass by again if I see them outside. If AZB members I'll just suggest they post a picture themselves. Grassroots at it's best!
Sean, I did remember you were a past advocate that gave up the slip stroke. Look at the pictures of Cool Cat or any of the old players or watch them play. The advocates of a level cue didn't mean nearly as level back then. Four inches or more of rise at the back of the cue from the tip was pretty standard. I can't use a slip stroke with my wrapless cue although I have been tempted to pull a Titanic Thompson and powder the entire cue, table, and everyone within ten feet!
Using my cue with a wrap, that slight bit of elevation, and a gentle grip, release, and regrip, I can't find any indication of a twitch. Were there one would it really matter when it was in the front half of the last stroke towards the rear? Would it be more disruptive than changing the signals to the muscles on the final forward stroke as is universal when someone follows through after shortstroking all of the practice strokes? Rhetorical questions that can be debated endlessly.
English, I'm hanging in up here and having a great time. Made a quick pass by a local "pool hall". If what I saw in that quick look during a tournament was any indication they would probably have a necktie party with me as the guest of honor if I spent much time there. Been meaning to get back over there but their hours and the distance from me are awkward. I haven't been to Buff's in ages and have yet to make it to Lacy's. One of these days hopefully, I want to get on that ten footer just for old times sake!
Hu
It may be necessary to re-evaluate that observation. The "slip stroke" went out with hula hoops. :yeah:
I am by no means questioning anything you say relating to pool... but hula hoops can still look mighty good.:wink:
http://youtu.be/x7ScjAyceNo
And Shane is rocking the slip stroke! Watch for yourself on the link below CJ. He slides his cue and re grip for sure!
Watch "Shane Van Boening Stroke in Slo mo" on YouTube
Shane Van Boening Stroke in Slo mo: http://youtu.be/CFeLlvCN-0s
Watch "Shane Van Boening Stroke in Slo mo" on YouTube
Shane Van Boening Stroke in Slo mo: http://youtu.be/CFeLlvCN-0s
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There are 2 "slip-strokes" and this is one definition of one of them.
Dennis practices both types of slip-strokes.
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That aint no slip stroke. Just grip position adjustment.
At best one of those was a stroke slip. Releasing the cue on forward stroke.
Nope. Not a slip stroke.
jeffrey de luna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vItKCF11W_M
around 18:00 and 30:20 mark.
Im sure there are clearer videos but im too lazy to search
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vItKCF11W_M
around 18:00 and 30:20 mark.
Im sure there are clearer videos but im too lazy to search
At least the first one is definitely not a slip stroke by the usual definition.jeffrey de luna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vItKCF11W_M
around 18:00 and 30:20 mark.
Im sure there are clearer videos but im too lazy to search
It does look like a "stroke slip" in which the grip hand does not move on the cue stick until after final forward motion starts.
In a slip stroke, the grip hand comes back during the final back stroke, not during the forward motion of the cue stick. The two techniques are very, very different.
yes, he does kinda throws the stick on the final forward motion. I asked him why he does this and he said thats how he gets a feel for the shot. He also had all his cues rewrapped to a lizard belly skin to accommodate his stroke
Most of the classic "slipstrokests" held the cue near the balance point
Hey, we're all in agreement. :thumbup: ...what other worlds can we conquer together?
Most of the classic "slipstrokests" held the cue near the balance point or front part of the wrap - then on their last backstroke they would move their hand back a few inches....sometimes more if necessary.
Basically, their hand moved back instead of the cue in the backswing, and as they contacted the cue ball their hand tightened (in one way, shape or form). This was very effective on slower, worn felt, however on today's equipment it would be superfluous (exceeding what is sufficient or necessary).
Hey, we're all in agreement. :thumbup: ...what other worlds can we conquer together?
Most of the classic "slipstrokests" held the cue near the balance point or front part of the wrap - then on their last backstroke they would move their hand back a few inches....sometimes more if necessary.
Basically, their hand moved back instead of the cue in the backswing, and as they contacted the cue ball their hand tightened (in one way, shape or form). This was very effective on slower, worn felt, however on today's equipment it would be superfluous (exceeding what is sufficient or necessary).