I think that's a very, very bad assumption. As I said above, if they are going to go with this stupid, broken rule, they should have been patching the pocket. And maybe make it loss of game not to patch the pocket and make the ball. Like 8 ball.
WOW BIADO vs. PULPUL Biado forgot to call the 10 ball on the hill and lost
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So he said screw it, Im not playing by that rule a game or two later or did he forget?
no he didn't....
Jay did NOT say that it was announced that all tenballs needed to be called.
He said that it was announced that they were playing WPA ten ball rules and that requires the balls to be called.
I quoted the WPA ten ball rules and showed that that isn't the case. WPA rules specify that it is call shot but that obvious shots need not be called.
It provides further qualification that banks caroms masse's etc are what are non obvious shots and that if there is any question by the opponent or ref, that they may ask for a shot to be called.
Jaden
Jay did NOT say that it was announced that all tenballs needed to be called.
He said that it was announced that they were playing WPA ten ball rules and that requires the balls to be called.
I quoted the WPA ten ball rules and showed that that isn't the case. WPA rules specify that it is call shot but that obvious shots need not be called.
It provides further qualification that banks caroms masse's etc are what are non obvious shots and that if there is any question by the opponent or ref, that they may ask for a shot to be called.
Jaden
It's not clear that he understood the full stupidity of the rule. He may have thought he was playing by the standard rules and just called the pocket out of habit or the referee looked confused. The ref did look confused, didn't he?
If I'm not mistaken, I think a recent golf tournament had someone call in on a phone from watching TV and report a "foul" that a golfer made and then they replayed the video after the tournament and found out and penalized him for it.
It also has happened with Tiger Woods, with people calling in about fouls.
http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/tiger-woods-says-he-would-not-phone-rules-violation
You are correct sir. It was back in August that Chella Choi got outed for a foul by someone watching it on TV causing her to miss the cut.
Yeah im just trying to point out that under any scenario, the rule is astoundingly absurd.
But, you leave out the little fact that these aren't ordinary shooters, they are supposed to be professionals. Thereby, they should have made sure of the rules, and then made sure they followed them. It's really not a hard thing to do. Rules seem to change every tournament they go to, so they should be used to it by now.
If it's true that the players were told that they would be using WPA rules, the correct response by either or both players would have been to appeal to the ref for a copy of the rules to show the ref that he was wrong.
Not forfeit the match, not take a foul, certainly not celebrate, but to help the referee make the correct call.
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Boy you are thick!!-BY day 2 they surely all knew the rules!! They FORGOT because they have been shooting the money ball the same way for 30 years prior-making it in the intended pocket and not being NITTED when the call was not audible!!!
If you worked in the same place for 20 years and to get there every morning had to take a right out of your driveway and then they moved the plant so you would have to take a left I GUARANTEE some time in the first 10 days you would STILL make that RIGHT turn. Not anyone else YOU! Especially YOU! You KNOW the plant was moved but you are still going to make that mistake!! We are all creatures of habit-Ever hear of that?
Introducing a new rule which is essentially a trap was flippin retarded. RETARDED!
That's what happened here-Complete and total MORONS-Geez
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I agree that it is a silly rule, especially at that level of play. But, I also feel a number of other rules that have been in play at various tournaments are equally silly. But, I don't get to make the rules. If I play in some tournament, it's just my job to know what rules I am playing by and abide by them.
Just because a rule seems to have no purpose or is just plain silly, does not mean that one has the right to just ignore it.
:boring2: It appears you are the one with reading comprehension problems after all, Mr. Chickenshit. Here is what Jay specifically posted:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=5001237#post5001237
I was shown a printed set of WPA rules that clearly stated "The Ten ball must be called!" Again it was announced this way at the players meeting. To me it's no different then playing in the BCA nationals and you MUST call the Eight ball every time, no matter how obvious it is. I've watched many matches and I always see the players pointing their cue at the intended pocket on the Ten Ball. That's all it takes, just making a gesture to designate the pocket and you're safe.
Now, what part of his statement can you still not understand? I am done with all your rantings, ravings, cursing, name calling and bullying of people who do not agree with your position. You have the dubious honor of being the first person to be on my ignore list after more than 10 years as a poster on this forum. At first I found your posts amusing but now it has become repetitive and irritating. But if it makes you happy, then go ahead and continue making yourself look stupid.
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C'mon, Stu, do you really believe that? Call shot as it is commonly understood today merely means you only have to call shots that are not immediately obvious. Having to call caroms and combos only wouldn't speed 14.1 in the least, and it would make things even more confusing for spectators.
Is there a single shot that this man shoots in this clip where there is in the least bit of doubt as to his intended pocket?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k79m0-4q_Rs
He never spoke, never pointed to a pocket with his cue, just got in his stance and made the obvious shot in each instance. How would calling his ball and pocket have forced him to slow down?
What slows straight pool down is 100+ point games and protracted safety battles, replete with intentional fouls and such. Once an actual run has begun, most great players get into a much faster ball pocketing rhythm than you'll ever see in rotation games... Texas Express 9-ball included.
When players like Schmidt, Feijen, Appleton, or Hohmann get rolling on a long run, well, that is about as exciting as it gets in pool to me. But they make it look too easy to the uninitiated, and that, more than speed of play, is why the casual viewer finds it boring to watch.
excellent post!!!
I'm the thick one, and you are the one making excuses for professionals not being held to a professional standard. Just curious what your response is to the other scenario I posted. About touching the cb and not having it affect the shot at hand at all. I'm sure you would call that an obvious foul, yet, it really is no different than this case when you boil it down.
You boil it all down, and what you guys are really saying is this- If you don't like the rule, or if you forget the rule, you are not to be held accountable for the rule. The rule in that case will then be dismissed. Have fun playing that way.:wink:
Why would he call the pocket out of habit if that isn't part of the rules he normally plays by? Typical rules for him do not include calling the 10 ball.
:boring2: It appears you are the one with reading comprehension problems after all, Mr. Chickenshit. Here is what Jay specifically posted:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=5001237#post5001237
I was shown a printed set of WPA rules that clearly stated "The Ten ball must be called!" Again it was announced this way at the players meeting. To me it's no different then playing in the BCA nationals and you MUST call the Eight ball every time, no matter how obvious it is. I've watched many matches and I always see the players pointing their cue at the intended pocket on the Ten Ball. That's all it takes, just making a gesture to designate the pocket and you're safe.
Now, what part of his statement can you still not understand? I am done with all your rantings, ravings and bullying of people who do not agree with your position. But if it makes you happy, then go ahead and continue making yourself look stupid.
Well I wonder what rules Jay got handed then because this is the actual rule...
9.5 Call Shots & Pocketing Balls
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious. Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant.
For a called shot to count, the referee must be satisfied that the intended shot was made, so if there is any chance of confusion, e.g. with bank, combination and similar shots, the shooter should indicate the ball and pocket. If the referee or opponent is unsure of the shot to be played, he may ask for a call.
ok...
Here, read them yourself...
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=118&pagetype=rules
It will always behoove people to go to the player's meeting, but if they're telling the players they are playing by WPA rules, but they are saying something different and showing something different, that's asking for confusion to ensue...
I respond to people, I do not bully people.
Jaden
:boring2: It appears you are the one with reading comprehension problems after all, Mr. Chickenshit. Here is what Jay specifically posted:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=5001237#post5001237
I was shown a printed set of WPA rules that clearly stated "The Ten ball must be called!" Again it was announced this way at the players meeting. To me it's no different then playing in the BCA nationals and you MUST call the Eight ball every time, no matter how obvious it is. I've watched many matches and I always see the players pointing their cue at the intended pocket on the Ten Ball. That's all it takes, just making a gesture to designate the pocket and you're safe.
Now, what part of his statement can you still not understand? I am done with all your rantings, ravings and bullying of people who do not agree with your position. But if it makes you happy, then go ahead and continue making yourself look stupid.
Here, read them yourself...
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=118&pagetype=rules
It will always behoove people to go to the player's meeting, but if they're telling the players they are playing by WPA rules, but they are saying something different and showing something different, that's asking for confusion to ensue...
I respond to people, I do not bully people.
Jaden
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Your right.
Who plays a whole tournament and doesn't know the rules? Didn't he watch any of the matches, didn't he see other people calling the pocket?
Didn't he hear about what Shane did the day before, wasn't that in the paper?
Who plays a whole tournament and doesn't know the rules? Didn't he watch any of the matches, didn't he see other people calling the pocket?
Didn't he hear about what Shane did the day before, wasn't that in the paper?
It's like night and day-That scenario has no relevance whatsoever. Obvious foul-WTH?
My point is the rule serves no purpose and can only lead to problems as evidenced by this tournament PERFECTLY. Did you take note of that? Is that what you want? Tournaments marred by this type of crap?