WOW BIADO vs. PULPUL Biado forgot to call the 10 ball on the hill and lost

Ask yourself this: what is the purpose of the 'call the ten ball' rule? Give it a moments thought and you will arrive at this conclusion - the purpose of the rule is to make it so that a player cannot win the game by pocketing the winning ball in a hole other than the intended pocket. That is why we have this rule. There is no other reason. We might call this 'The Spirit of the Rule', to take away false victories due to luck.

Now what happened in this game isn't what the rule was designed to overcome, because it is clear that the player is attempting the ball in the made pocket. This is so clear to everyone, even a beginner who walked in off the street, that the only gentlemanly conduct from the opposing player would have been to decline the foul.

The only sensible result of Biado's shot on the ten ball is that it should be declared the winning shot of the rack. There is the technical interpretation and there is what is clearly just, like in law sometimes the letter of the rule doesn't tell the whole story and the judge has to make a decision based on what the law is trying to achieve. This is so obviously to me a dick move that deserves to be heaped with scorn that I'm amazed that others can defend such conduct.

I think it just kind of shows who the pool hall lawyers are, those guys that are going to look for any technicality no matter how trivial or what the rule was meant for to pull a move.
 
. This is so obviously to me a dick move that deserves to be heaped with scorn that I'm amazed that others can defend such conduct.

As they say no one ever went broke underestimating the brains of the American Public. Applies to Filipinos too obviously.

Next year the event is being changed to more of a memory competition. 8 cards will be dealt face up and then hidden. The incoming player must correctly recite the cards in the the order they were dealt before being allowed to shoot. An error is BIH for the opponent.
 
Your right.

Aren't those events 9-Ball, with call shot only on the 9? And it has to be an overt call. But your point is valid.

[2012 was the last year at Mohegan Sun. No men's event in 2013. Women's event in Springfield, MA in 2013. Both events in Valley Center, CA in 2014.]

It is 9 ball event, but you do have to call all 9 Ball shots.
 
Completely speechless by what I just watched. I mean, I understand having to call the 10, but at what point do you bypass all human intelligence and common sense?

Bummer that such a strong event had to be tarnished by this.
 
Did they make his opponent shoot the 10 ball from the foot spot from where the cueball landed?? It's not supposed to be an automatic loss of game, the 10 spots and it has to be called and shot by the opponent.

If they made it called shot called safe on ALL balls these blunders would be less frequent on the money ball. You get a rhythm and run the rack...hard to call only the last ball. All this makes pool look like what it is. A big F'n joke.
 
You know, I bet this is exactly what the tournament directors wanted. I could see know-nothings liking this rule, thinking that there's some fun drama in it.

Like how bar table bangers think winning when your opponent fails to call the eight is an integral part of the rules. My guess, backed up by Jay Helfert's comments, is that they really think they're using the standard WPA rules.
 
Did they make his opponent shoot the 10 ball from the foot spot from where the cueball landed?? It's not supposed to be an automatic loss of game, the 10 spots and it has to be called and shot by the opponent.

The ref snatched up the cue ball and started walking around the table, and then when Carlo got up and complained, the ref went "oopsie" and put it back down. In fairness, it was within two feet of where it was supposed to be. It actually ended up being a much harder shot where the ref put it back down.
 
That was a heck of a reaction there. They might be friends, a little ribbing. I have no idea of their history. I'm not sure what other pocket they thought he could have been shooting at. They must have some sort of firm rule the shot has to be called.

FTR I think that's a cheap foul. If the ref is unsure why can't he just ask what he's about to do. I thought that rule was in place to remove luck not to be punitive. It just seems like a cheap way to lose control of the table.
 
Can identify with your hypothetical scenario... actually happened to me in Amsterdam NY. Coming out of pool room to get on the thruway was on wrong side of road waiting for green light. Hadn't been there in a while and they changed the traffic pattern. Cop pulled me over. Fortunately gave me some understanding and not a citation. That rule needs to go bye bye.
 
Biado got robbed - you can decide by whom, Pulpul, the ref, or himself

The ref picked up whitey, then, after realizing his error, replaced it on the table using a guesstimate that was about 8 inches off from where it should have been.

Does anyone know how much money this blunder cost Biado?

best,
brian kc
 
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Shame for the great Biado. No doubt he's kicking himself for the oversight.

I've never felt call shot adds anything to rotation games, and find that I always enjoy nine ball more than ten ball. As we've seen twice this week, however, call shot can subtract from the game.

Does call shot ever subtract anything from 14.1 in any way? Why should rotation games be any different? I just don't get it.

The only time I can see call shot taking anything away from the game is if it is call shot/call safe, with the incoming shooter have the right to force the other player to shoot again. That rule does take away the two-way shot, but I don't see how the game is better or more exciting to watch if top pros can get rewarded for failing to pocket the ball in the intended (obvious) pocket. You can still have the two-way shot in call pocket if you don't have to declare safeties.

The only reason why there is so much controversy with this tournament is that they are forcing players to physically or verbally indicate the pocket they intend to pocket the money ball into. If they played by WPA rules none of this would have occurred.
 
The ref picked up whitey then, after realizing his error, replaced it on the table with a guesstimae that was about 8 inches off from where it should have been.

I think Biado was more pissed about that than he was at himself for not calling the pocket. In this tourney, who knows? Maybe they were playing "Ref's Choice" rules? :rolleyes:
 
... Does anyone know how much money this blunder cost Biado? ...

Here's an estimate. At the first MP Cup 10-Ball event back in September, 1st prize was $12,000, 2nd was $6,000, and 3rd/4th was $2,500. So winning a semi-final match added either $3,500 or $9,500 to the winner's prize money, depending upon whether he lost or won the final match.

I think I remember hearing that 1st this time is $13,000 rather than $12,000. But the numbers are probably not a great deal different from the first event.
 
So Rodney Morris, Efren, and all the guys that cashed played for nothing because two guys forgot the rules and lost?

Do you think they took their prize money? Do you think they'll play the same tournament next week for the same money.

I have played no 9 or 10 Ball on the break, no 9 or 10 Ball in the corner pockets near the rack, no soft break, break from the break box only, win by two, cue ball fouls only, all ball fouls, loser break..., the rules are the rules, you don't have to like them, but once you agree to them, you play by them.

You make my brain hurt.

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