Who Really is the BEST Pool Hustler in the Country?

Thanks Pete, and CJ. I think you guys just play a little different from the way I've played and seen it done. Around here if you get the last 4, you don't know your spot until 5 balls remain, so you cant win on the break with a spot ball.

If you get the 6 and out, call pocket is assumed. If not, the spot wouldn't be 6 and out, it'd be "wild 6 and out." Even then, those spot balls come up after the break.


I'm not arguing that I'm right. Just saying I think rules vary regionally.

If you are getting the last 4 and there are 5 balls on the table which are your money balls? Say the 4, 6, 7,8 & 9 are left.

If you are getting the last 4 and make 6 balls on the break you win the game.

ONB

Then the 6 would be my called spot ball because its the 4th last ball remaining. I wouldn't consider I it a money ball either. (Money balls only come up in Chicago.)

As far as the break, only the 9 can win on the break....spot or no spot.

I understand there can be regional differences in how games are played so I'm trying to understand what you write. You say the 6 would be your "called spot ball" if the 4,6,7,8 & 9 were left. Going by that a person could make the 4/6 combo and win the game, no?

When you are getting the last 4 you don't know what the game-winning balls are until there are 4 balls left on the table is my point.

I also don't understand your distinction between "called spot balls" and "moneyballs". A moneyball is any ball that gives a shooter a win is it not?

Getting the last 4 and making 6 balls on the break and NOT winning is an awfully tough way to play. I've never heard of that before. I would ask this though; if there are only 3 balls left on the table after the break how did the breaker not win or is this an agreed upon method of playing where you are?

ONB
 
I understand there can be regional differences in how games are played so I'm trying to understand what you write. You say the 6 would be your "called spot ball" if the 4,6,7,8 & 9 were left. Going by that a person could make the 4/6 combo and win the game, no?

You simply cant play any combos with a last 2 type of spot. I'd need to run out up to the 6. The distinction here would be "wild vs. "last."

When you are getting the last 4 you don't know what the game-winning balls are until there are 4 balls left on the table is my point.

Yes, I agree here.

I also don't understand your distinction between "called spot balls" and "moneyballs". A moneyball is any ball that gives a shooter a win is it not?

To me, a money ball is a wild ball I don't have to call.

Getting the last 4 and making 6 balls on the break and NOT winning is an awfully tough way to play. I've never heard of that before. I would ask this though; if there are only 3 balls left on the table after the break how did the breaker not win or is this an agreed upon method of playing where you are?

ONB

Only the 9 ball can win on the break, no exceptions. Not saying other variations don't exist, but none that I've seen.
 
I don't understand the semantics in this thread.

Are any of you that are talking about what the last 4, the last 5, wild this or that going to do anything?

The gauntlet was laid down. You may not like CJ or his posts, but he did make an offer. The thread swells to 16 pages on conjecture and nitpicking.

All of the crews out there, pony up and hop on I 70 to I 465 and get off on Washington St. walk in and get played.
 
I don't understand the semantics in this thread.

Are any of you that are talking about what the last 4, the last 5, wild this or that going to do anything?

The gauntlet was laid down. You may not like CJ or his posts, but he did make an offer. The thread swells to 16 pages on conjecture and nitpicking.

All of the crews out there, pony up and hop on I 70 to I 465 and get off on Washington St. walk in and get played.

Would this be 'Strong Arm John'? Either way, I'm with you & CJ.
 
I understand there can be regional differences in how games are played so I'm trying to understand what you write. You say the 6 would be your "called spot ball" if the 4,6,7,8 & 9 were left. Going by that a person could make the 4/6 combo and win the game, no?

When you are getting the last 4 you don't know what the game-winning balls are until there are 4 balls left on the table is my point.

I also don't understand your distinction between "called spot balls" and "moneyballs". A moneyball is any ball that gives a shooter a win is it not?

Getting the last 4 and making 6 balls on the break and NOT winning is an awfully tough way to play. I've never heard of that before. I would ask this though; if there are only 3 balls left on the table after the break how did the breaker not win or is this an agreed upon method of playing where you are?

ONB

Only the 9 ball can win on the break, no exceptions. Not saying other variations don't exist, but none that I've seen.

Thanks for answering my questions.
 
I don't understand the semantics in this thread.

Are any of you that are talking about what the last 4, the last 5, wild this or that going to do anything?

The gauntlet was laid down. You may not like CJ or his posts, but he did make an offer. The thread swells to 16 pages on conjecture and nitpicking.

All of the crews out there, pony up and hop on I 70 to I 465 and get off on Washington St. walk in and get played.

You don't gamble and you can't play so why worry about what anyone else does?

Do you voice complaints in the many threads that CJ hijacks for his own purposes? If not then you shouldn't complain here either.

ONB
 
I don't gamble???

WOW.

I play one pocket, make a fair game and you got action.
I'm not hard to find.

I don't think it would be hard to find people in this state or many others who would greatly differ with you.


You don't gamble and you can't play so why worry about what anyone else does?

Do you voice complaints in the many threads that CJ hijacks for his own purposes? If not then you shouldn't complain here either.

ONB
 
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Does Rusty still come around, say "hi" to him, we made a lot of money on the road back in the mid 80s.....I'll always remember the BUSYBODY LOUNGE in Evansville, it was very, very, good to us.

Hey CJ, care to elaborate on the busy body? I am from around there and heard stories about how Bobby Leggs used to play out of there.
 
I don't understand the semantics in this thread.

Are any of you that are talking about what the last 4, the last 5, wild this or that going to do anything?

The gauntlet was laid down. You may not like CJ or his posts, but he did make an offer. The thread swells to 16 pages on conjecture and nitpicking.

All of the crews out there, pony up and hop on I 70 to I 465 and get off on Washington St. walk in and get played.

You don't gamble and you can't play so why worry about what anyone else does?

Do you voice complaints in the many threads that CJ hijacks for his own purposes? If not then you shouldn't complain here either.

ONB

I don't gamble???

WOW.

I play one pocket, make a fair game and you got action.
I'm not hard to find.

I don't think it would be hard to find people in this state or many others who would greatly differ with you.

Does "make a fair game" mean that you need weight?

See how fast an intelligent person like yourself can start derailing a thread when it suits your purpose? No conjecture & nitpicking in your post.

ONB
 
How interesting! That is the *exact time* that Keith busted all of Baltimore. There was so much pool action at Hot Shots all night long that the prostitutes living next door at Regal Inn were kept quite busy. They were rolling in the dough, and Regal Inn, the dirtest and worst hotel I've ever seen in life, a real dump, was filled up every night with no vacancies. :embarrassed2:

Capital City Classic tournament had just ended, and so some of the players decided to stay in town. They came to Hot Shots in Baltimore to try to get played. Mark Gregory, Marcus Chamat, Monica Webb, and Helena Thornfeldt were some of the players who remained behind after the tournament concluded. Keith had no ID on him, and Marcus had to put up his passport for Keith to get a room at that filthy Regal Inn next door. :eek:

I had been away from the pool world, working on my career, so I was unfamiliar with the new generation of pool peeps in my area. That's the first time I met Pookie, White Max, Ryan McCreesh, Black Henry, Mark Ford, and a few other local players. Pookie managed to score a win against Keith, because nobody knew him, and he asked for a huge spot. Keith granted his request, wanting to see what Pookie could do on a field of green. I think it was the last 3 and the breaks. Pookie was stealing, but Pookie didn't have the art of the hustle down pat, because he only got played one set. He showed a little too much finesse and didn't lay down the lemon. Keith recognized Pookie had a little more talent than he was letting on. I did know all the old-school players, but there was a new generation afoot that I did not know. :)

Keith literally busted Tony Long a few times at the Rosedale Inn. Nobody could believe it because Tony Long was King of the Bar Tables in Baltimore and would bet it as high as you could stack it. :cool:

Players came out of the woodwork and tried to sneak in Hot Shots when they heard about the non-stop action, thanks to Keith. Punky from Hagerstown made an appearance, though I don't think he got played the night I was there.

That player from West Virginia, who probably was one of the best hustlers ever, flew under the radar, he came. Man, I can't remember his name now. I want to say Lloyd, but that may not be right. He passed away a few years ago. He played strong. They called Keith from his hotel room next door to come in and play him when he first walked in, but when Keith stepped his first foot in the pool room and saw who it was, he immediately walked out, not wanting to blow the West Virginia player's cover. They were friends. :wink:

Grimes (can't remember his first name) came to Baltimore to see what all the fuss was about. He stayed for 2 weeks with a Virginia stakehorse who drove around in a Lincoln. I met the stakehorse out in the parking lot, and for some reason, he wanted to show off his gun that he carried in his glovebox. I didn't care to break bread with this guy and kept my distance from then on.

The Glen Burnie old-time regulars were in full force at Hot Shots to sweat the festivities when Keith came to town. They literally came out of the woodwork, to include Fat Wayne and Piano Man. Even Cigar Tom made a cameo appearance, though he preferred to stay at his hangout, Running Out Billiards, in Dundalk. Cigar Tom had as much action as he wanted by appointment, and he is probably Baltimore's most heralded pool player of all times. Everybody loves Cigar Tom, a no-nonsense, unassuming kind of player. Cigar Tom lets his stick do the talking for him. Fat Wayne, Piano Man, and me were betting on the side 24/7. We had a blast, all three of us. :grin-square:

The late Little Petey, Nate and his Uncle Jake, and Bus Driver Ronnie also came to Sonny's to get in on the happenings.

After a few weeks of busting every bar known to man in the Baltimore metropolitan area, Sonny, the owner of Hot Shots, asked Keith if he would consider being the house pro at Hot Shots. The business in his pool room increased ten-fold when Keith came to town, but that's about the time I snatched Keith and brought him to D.C. with me. I actually think I saved his life. The occupational hazards of being in action 24/7, hustling pool in Baltimore, well, it wasn't a healthy lifestyle. And I'll just leave it at that.

Even as well known as Keith McCready was at this time in the underground pool world, he still hustled and got played. Everybody wanted to take a shot at him and tried to match up to get a game. Keith gave up the world sometimes, too much weight, I think, but that's what a gambler does who wants to win that money. Keith was hustling, even though every single person he played knew who he was. It didn't matter who he was. That was the beauty of it.

It wasn't all big W's, though, for Keith in Baltimore. The best coin throwers in the world hail from Baltimore, and my poor Keith didn't know it. One night, when I was not in the pool room, these coin throwers came to Hot Shots and got Keith's nostrils wide open, to throw some quarters against the wall. They busted Keith that night. It wouldn't have happened on my watch if I was there. :mad:

Word to the wise ---> Don't ever throw coins with anyone from Baltimore. You will go home with empty pockets. :yes:

It's amazing to me, the timing of this who's-the-best-hustler discussion, but I'll roll with it and contribute my 2 cents. I've hung out with the the cream of the crop when it came to road agents and hustling pool in my neck of the woods. Everybody boasts about their regional favorites because these are the players they know and have seen up front and close. I consider many of the players in my area as good friends, but none of them have the charisma, the gift of gab, and the ability to play all games, to include snooker, as Keith. Most pool players today are one-trick ponies and specialize in only one game of pocket billiards, like Cliff Joyner's expertise in the one-pocket game. A good hustler plays all games on any equipment and gets played wherever he hangs his hat, and that's Keith McCready. :cool:

Here's Keith circa about 2002 when he first came to Baltimore and played anyone who asked. It didn't matter who they were. They would get played. :smile:

Not sure i would consider Keith the best hustler as much as I would say THE BEST PLAYER, PERIOD. I was around for a few of Keith's sessions back then and he sure could play.
 
How interesting! That is the *exact time* that Keith busted all of Baltimore. There was so much pool action at Hot Shots all night long that the prostitutes living next door at Regal Inn were kept quite busy. They were rolling in the dough, and Regal Inn, the dirtest and worst hotel I've ever seen in life, a real dump, was filled up every night with no vacancies. :embarrassed2:

Capital City Classic tournament had just ended, and so some of the players decided to stay in town. They came to Hot Shots in Baltimore to try to get played. Mark Gregory, Marcus Chamat, Monica Webb, and Helena Thornfeldt were some of the players who remained behind after the tournament concluded. Keith had no ID on him, and Marcus had to put up his passport for Keith to get a room at that filthy Regal Inn next door. :eek:

I had been away from the pool world, working on my career, so I was unfamiliar with the new generation of pool peeps in my area. That's the first time I met Pookie, White Max, Ryan McCreesh, Black Henry, Mark Ford, and a few other local players. Pookie managed to score a win against Keith, because nobody knew him, and he asked for a huge spot. Keith granted his request, wanting to see what Pookie could do on a field of green. I think it was the last 3 and the breaks. Pookie was stealing, but Pookie didn't have the art of the hustle down pat, because he only got played one set. He showed a little too much finesse and didn't lay down the lemon. Keith recognized Pookie had a little more talent than he was letting on. I did know all the old-school players, but there was a new generation afoot that I did not know. :)

Keith literally busted Tony Long a few times at the Rosedale Inn. Nobody could believe it because Tony Long was King of the Bar Tables in Baltimore and would bet it as high as you could stack it. :cool:

Players came out of the woodwork and tried to sneak in Hot Shots when they heard about the non-stop action, thanks to Keith. Punky from Hagerstown made an appearance, though I don't think he got played the night I was there.

That player from West Virginia, who probably was one of the best hustlers ever, flew under the radar, he came. Man, I can't remember his name now. I want to say Lloyd, but that may not be right. He passed away a few years ago. He played strong. They called Keith from his hotel room next door to come in and play him when he first walked in, but when Keith stepped his first foot in the pool room and saw who it was, he immediately walked out, not wanting to blow the West Virginia player's cover. They were friends. :wink:

Grimes (can't remember his first name) came to Baltimore to see what all the fuss was about. He stayed for 2 weeks with a Virginia stakehorse who drove around in a Lincoln. I met the stakehorse out in the parking lot, and for some reason, he wanted to show off his gun that he carried in his glovebox. I didn't care to break bread with this guy and kept my distance from then on.

The Glen Burnie old-time regulars were in full force at Hot Shots to sweat the festivities when Keith came to town. They literally came out of the woodwork, to include Fat Wayne and Piano Man. Even Cigar Tom made a cameo appearance, though he preferred to stay at his hangout, Running Out Billiards, in Dundalk. Cigar Tom had as much action as he wanted by appointment, and he is probably Baltimore's most heralded pool player of all times. Everybody loves Cigar Tom, a no-nonsense, unassuming kind of player. Cigar Tom lets his stick do the talking for him. Fat Wayne, Piano Man, and me were betting on the side 24/7. We had a blast, all three of us. :grin-square:

The late Little Petey, Nate and his Uncle Jake, and Bus Driver Ronnie also came to Sonny's to get in on the happenings.

After a few weeks of busting every bar known to man in the Baltimore metropolitan area, Sonny, the owner of Hot Shots, asked Keith if he would consider being the house pro at Hot Shots. The business in his pool room increased ten-fold when Keith came to town, but that's about the time I snatched Keith and brought him to D.C. with me. I actually think I saved his life. The occupational hazards of being in action 24/7, hustling pool in Baltimore, well, it wasn't a healthy lifestyle. And I'll just leave it at that.

Even as well known as Keith McCready was at this time in the underground pool world, he still hustled and got played. Everybody wanted to take a shot at him and tried to match up to get a game. Keith gave up the world sometimes, too much weight, I think, but that's what a gambler does who wants to win that money. Keith was hustling, even though every single person he played knew who he was. It didn't matter who he was. That was the beauty of it.

It wasn't all big W's, though, for Keith in Baltimore. The best coin throwers in the world hail from Baltimore, and my poor Keith didn't know it. One night, when I was not in the pool room, these coin throwers came to Hot Shots and got Keith's nostrils wide open, to throw some quarters against the wall. They busted Keith that night. It wouldn't have happened on my watch if I was there. :mad:

Word to the wise ---> Don't ever throw coins with anyone from Baltimore. You will go home with empty pockets. :yes:

It's amazing to me, the timing of this who's-the-best-hustler discussion, but I'll roll with it and contribute my 2 cents. I've hung out with the the cream of the crop when it came to road agents and hustling pool in my neck of the woods. Everybody boasts about their regional favorites because these are the players they know and have seen up front and close. I consider many of the players in my area as good friends, but none of them have the charisma, the gift of gab, and the ability to play all games, to include snooker, as Keith. Most pool players today are one-trick ponies and specialize in only one game of pocket billiards, like Cliff Joyner's expertise in the one-pocket game. A good hustler plays all games on any equipment and gets played wherever he hangs his hat, and that's Keith McCready. :cool:

Here's Keith circa about 2002 when he first came to Baltimore and played anyone who asked. It didn't matter who they were. They would get played. :smile:

The west Virginia pool player had to be LARRY PRICE, he won the DCC Banks in 2010 when I was there.
Keith busted Black Henry at Hot Shots, Keith gave him 5 and the last 5 playing 9 ball, Henry could play too, didn't matter Keith never missed! Henry lost his shoes to Keith!

Tony long thought he was the best bar table player in Baltimore, Well he challenge Cigar Tom to play 10 a head for 10000 at the rose dale inn 15 years a go and of course Sonny was staking All tonys action Back then.

The match lasted 48 mins, Vanover ran a 9 from the get go and then Broke made a ball and played safe, Tony missed the kick and Cigar ran out, Tony never pocketed 1 ball in that 10 a head!

I bet 5000 and Big Bill Eye put up the other 5000.
 
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Derby City Classic

Don't they still have the "Action Award" at the Derby City Classic? I would suggest that all the folks that think they are the best Hustler/Gambler head on down to the Derby City. Everyone can continue the woofing on AZ, which is quite entertaining, but should have to match up at the Classic for bragging rites to the best hustler/gambler title or else they are just woofing or looking for attention! Doesn't have to be streamed...everyone will find out the results either by attending or on AZ.

WHo will step up to the plate?

Wedge
 
Believe CJ When he says Strong Arm John is the best American hustler of all time!

Strong Arm John came to Baltimore about 12 years ago , the man had people gambling that never even gambled before, He busted the owner OF HOT SHOTS billiards and Rose dale inn for some serious money (Sonny),

John Hustled the bar every nite til closing time and then went over to the pool room that was across the street on Pulaski Hway.

John beat players while he played Jam up with a broom stick and ARM wrestled anybody that would dare try and John demolished the few that tried him .

Plus all along while John was busting everyone he played, you couldn't help but TO like the man, SAJ is GOOD PEOPLE!

CJ You got nothing to prove to anybody, You were the top pool player and top money player back in your time.

So don't pay much attention to what you mite read here Brother, You know who you are and what you accomplished in our pool world!
 
I understand there can be regional differences in how games are played so I'm trying to understand what you write. You say the 6 would be your "called spot ball" if the 4,6,7,8 & 9 were left. Going by that a person could make the 4/6 combo and win the game, no?

When you are getting the last 4 you don't know what the game-winning balls are until there are 4 balls left on the table is my point.

I also don't understand your distinction between "called spot balls" and "moneyballs". A moneyball is any ball that gives a shooter a win is it not?

Getting the last 4 and making 6 balls on the break and NOT winning is an awfully tough way to play. I've never heard of that before. I would ask this though; if there are only 3 balls left on the table after the break how did the breaker not win or is this an agreed upon method of playing where you are?

ONB

Does anybody make 6 balls on the break with any consistency? I feel like this not being part of the rules before play is more a function of the fact that it is beyond rare for it to happen. If someone does make 6 on the break consistently they should be the one giving weight.
 
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