C.J. Wiley VS Keith McCready - What's The Line?

[lfigueroa]

I can understand your thoughts on this topic, but what's unfair to me is a thread with names of who's the best hustler and the majority of names being praised as hustlers or action players were nothing more than lock artists. That is not a hustler. That's someone who is looking to steal.

I'm not going to call out the names of those who are being praised as being the best, but those in the know are well aware of who they are.

As far as not caring for this production, well, AzBilliards, Greg Sullivan, Diamond Billiards, Hustlin' USA Clothing Co., and PoolDawg think enough of it to sponsor it. To me, that speaks volumes.

To each their own, Lou. I would rather watch action than emotionless Euro tournament-soldier robots dressed up in tuxedos playing mum pool. Even before Keith got the nod to be included in an episode of American Road Player, I liked this project and donated.

Well, I was only commenting on what you said about the funding. And frankly, it doesn't matter who sponsors a project. I think most here can look past the endorsements and make up their own minds. And, last time I watched, there was plenty of emotion and no tuxedoes at the MC. You must have been watching the wrong channel

JAM, not everyone cares for what this project embodies. I just wanted to point out that the lack of donations wasn't necessarily about pool in general but perhaps more about the particular facet of the sport they're attempting to highlight.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Like the MC idea

It's a natural. They could interview MW at the DCC, the players from this year's team, follow the players in contention, interview the players and get their back stories, cover them at other events and the US Open, follow the selected players as they train, the lead up, travel to Vegas, the pomp and circumstance of the big event.

Are you kidding me. It's tailored made. A complete no-brainer.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JAM]

Well, I was only commenting on what you said about the funding. And frankly, it doesn't matter who sponsors a project. I think most here can look past the endorsements and make up their own minds. And, last time I watched, there was plenty of emotion and no tuxedoes at the MC. You must have been watching the wrong channel

JAM, not everyone cares for what this project embodies. I just wanted to point out that the lack of donations wasn't necessarily about pool in general but perhaps more about the particular facet of the sport they're attempting to highlight.

Lou Figueroa

I get that, Lou. We each have our likes and dislikes with what's happening in the fractured American pool world in 2014.

One thing that has not changed, though, with pool is that it certainly does have its share of knockers, even today. I guess some things will always be the same.

 

[lfigueroa]

I got news for you. He wasn't in top form when I met him. How do you like them apples?! And he still won.

You can believe he's an underdog, but coming from an anonymous member with the forum handle of "Bieber lover" -- spelled wrong, I might add -- who posts on a pool forum, I take your opinion with a grain of salt. Nuff said.

JAM, with all due respect for Keith's prowess as a player, my recollection is that when you met him he was still in action, and playing events like the DCC and US Open. He's been pretty much in retirement for what, near 15 years? It'd be tough (near impossible) for anyone to jump back into competition against today's talent and be successful after that kind of layoff.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JAM]

JAM, with all due respect for Keith's prowess as a player, my recollection is that when you met him he was still in action, and playing events like the DCC and US Open. He's been pretty much in retirement for what, near 15 years? It'd be tough (near impossible) for anyone to jump back into competition against today's talent and be successful after that kind of layoff.

Lou Figueroa

Well, when I met him, he was not in top form, Lou. In fact, he was not even close to the Keith McCready of Southern California. I never knew that Keith. :sorry:

No, Lou, it has not been 15 years. I haven't even been with Keith for 15 years.

Next?

 

[lfigueroa]

I get that, Lou. We each have our likes and dislikes with what's happening in the fractured American pool world in 2014.

One thing that has not changed, though, with pool is that it certainly does have its share of knockers, even today. I guess some things will always be the same.

JAMester, having an opinion that differs from your own is not knocking. We all know you love Keith. Most of us admire him as a skilled player. But we can still all have different thoughts and opinions. Makes the world go round and all that.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Well, when I met him, he was not in top form, Lou. In fact, he was not even close to the Keith McCready of Southern California. I never knew that Keith. :sorry:

No, Lou, it has not been 15 years. I haven't even been with Keith for 15 years.

Next?

The purple thing that you took such severe umbrage with happened at the 2001 DCC. I took it that you'd been together at that point for awhile. 15 years can't be off by much.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JAM]

JAMester, having an opinion that differs from your own is not knocking. We all know you love Keith. Most of us admire him as a skilled player. But we can still all have different thoughts and opinions. Makes the world go round and all that.

Lou Figueroa

Just state the facts then, Lou. Posting that he has been in retirement for "close to 15 years" is an untruth and doesn't reflect reality.

I personally don't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks anymore. With that said, I won't stand down to people taking potshots at Keith. Opinions are one thing, but one must consider the source, especially when dealing with anonymous members and multiple-identitied banned members posting. I know this is not you, Lou. You're a real person, and we've met, albeit very briefly. Keith and I both had the flu that week at the Derby.

I have my thoughts about the Mosconi Cup. I agree that it is exciting and showcases pool in a unique setting, which could be very entertaining. That's about the only thing entertaining in the pool world today, Lou, and if you want to talk about underdogs, well, that's Team USA, and I believe with the present course it is taking, they will continue to be for sometime. And that's my opinion. I'll still watch it, though. I like the Mosconi Cup.

 

[JAM]

The purple thing that you took such severe umbrage with happened at the 2001 DCC. I took it that you'd been together at that point for awhile. 15 years can't be off by much.

Lou Figueroa

So are you saying that when Keith met me, that he went into retirement? That's not quite right. In fact, it was me who came out of retirement to enter the pool world again when I met Keith. Not the other way around. I was happy banging pages in my little corner of D.C. when I met Keith.

 

[lfigueroa]

Just state the facts then, Lou. Posting that he has been in retirement for "close to 15 years" is an untruth and doesn't reflect reality.

I personally don't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks anymore. With that said, I won't stand down to people taking potshots at Keith. Opinions are one thing, but one must consider the source, especially when dealing with anonymous members and multiple-identitied banned members posting. I know this is not you, Lou. You're a real person, and we've met, albeit very briefly. Keith and I both had the flu that week at the Derby.

I have my thoughts about the Mosconi Cup. I agree that it is exciting and showcases pool in a unique setting, which could be very entertaining. That's about the only thing entertaining in the pool world today, Lou, and if you want to talk about underdogs, well, that's Team USA, and I believe with the present course it is taking, they will continue to be for sometime. And that's my opinion. I'll still watch it, though. I like the Mosconi Cup.

So I defer to your expert knowledge. How long has he been retired from pool?

And thank you for granting me "real person" status. I shall now go about my day secure in the knowledge that I am not a figment of your imagination

Lou Figueroa

 

[JAM]

So I defer to your expert knowledge. How long has he been retired from pool?

And thank you for granting me "real person" status. I shall now go about my day secure in the knowledge that I am not a figment of your imagination

Lou Figueroa

Of course, you're a real person. That's what makes your posts worth reading, I think. Even if I disagree with you, I do respect the fact that you are not hiding behind a computer monitor and posting under an alias or several aliases like some are wont to doing here. It has ruined the quality of some threads. I'd much rather read posts written by people who aren't afraid to let others know who they are. To me, these kinds of posts are more credible and have better value to the forum as a whole.

If you were to ask Keith, he kind of doesn't feel like he's retired from pool, though he jokes about it like he's "coming out of retirement." He actually took a long hiatus from pool when he went to work for Glen Campbell's ex-wife. She had horse farm that ran quarter horses at the racetrack, and Keith really enjoyed this time of his life away from pool. When he came back, he was still in good form.

Keith has always believed he'd be back playing again, but it will be a different Keith McCready than the one holding the brown bottle and smoking a cigarette. I am kind of curious as to how *this* will affect his game, much more so than how long he has been away from pool. The only way to find out is to get out there and hit the tournament trail. This is not something that is appealing to me. I'm still weighing the pros and cons for how it will affect my life as well as Keith's.

 

[PINKLADY]

i have been waiting for this Match for a year!

i see it as "The Last Two Standing". and it needs to happen. i'm not choosing sides. but what i do "real eyes" eek is that it is totally controversial, which makes it an absolute media "draw" - i'll bet $1.00 that EVERY AZBer w/ an opinion would cough up for the PPV....

MAKE IT HAPPEN; MAKE HISTORY

 

[Island Drive]

Jam

Keith is not even 60 years old yet, FWIW.

As well, Efren Reyes, who is the same age as me, 60 years old, just won a tournament in Philippines.

With some lifelong pool players, who who have hit tens of thousands of balls on a daily basis, they don't lose their talent. Earl, Jose Parica, Efren, et al., are perfect examples of this.

This discussion main forum does not do much for the promotion of pool. Rather, it's everybody take a potshot at another member if their opinions differ from what they beleive. Then there is a back-and-forth that ensues.

I am caring less and less about pool in my life today. For Keith's sake, I'm willing to get back out there, as I know how much it means to him. Me, not so much. I have a Home Sweet Home and a Mickey dog that brings me joy. Pool doesn't bring me joy, like it does Keith. It's nothing more than a huge disappointment, especially when I read this forum.

Time to go back to my industry forums and debate commas and semicolons. At least I come away with knowledge and not sore feelings. For some, pool is only a recreational game. For me and mine, it's personal.

Wishing all of AzBilliards a very Merry Christmas. May you count your blessings and realize everything good in your life. :smile:

DAM JAM....I'm the one who's 66 and chumming the moment I'm now woofing at the kids from my Grandpa point of view, but I'm starting to play a little ....I know Ehter will win....I stated the winner of ''their'' match to play someone my age....NEXT. LOL Merry Xmas. This way Kieth could settle an old debt. I beat em the last time we played in Costa Mesa @ the Original Hard Times. We could name it Long Beach Bill vs the Earthquake on the San Andres Fault line in Bellflower Ca.

 

[JAM]

DAM JAM....I'm the one who's 66 and chumming the moment I'm now woofing at the kids from my Grandpa point of view, but I'm starting to play a little ....I know Ehter will win....I stated the winner of ''their'' match to play someone my age....NEXT. LOL Merry Xmas. This way Kieth could settle an old debt. I beat em the last time we played in Costa Mesa @ the Original Hard Times. We could name it Long Beach Bill vs the Earthquake on the San Andres Fault line in Bellflower Ca.

I would like to see it happen too.

I'm have been too doggone busy dodging verbal swings and defending my beloved on this thread that I did not take the time to understand the intent of your words. I'm sorry. :frown:

Merry Christmas to you, Bill. May all your balls fall in the pocket -- except when you play Keith. :grin-square:

 

[Ken_4fun]

...... Siegel may have amnesia but Keith gave him weight and won....

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I would have paid big money to see that.

NOT a Siegel fan.

Ken

 

[JAM]

I would have paid big money to see that.

NOT a Siegel fan.

Ken

Keith also beat Larry Hubbart that same trip, ran a 6-pack on him in the finals at a tournament in, subject to check, Sacramento or San Diego. I don't have time to look it up, but it's documented and will be published sine die.

 

[Ken_4fun]

Keith also beat Larry Hubbart that same trip, ran a 6-pack on him in the finals at a tournament in, subject to check, Sacramento or San Diego. I don't have time to look it up, but it's documented and will be published sine die.

I never met Larry Hubbart.

I have met Mike Siegal.

After meeting him, I became the biggest fan of anyone that was playing against Mike Siegal.

Ken

 

[Baby Huey]

CJ Wiley was/is a very accomplished player. Keith may not have been able to beat him even in his prime. But, it would have been fun to watch. I think Keith would have won on the bar box and lost on the big table but that's just me thinking out loud. Keith is the most natural player I have ever seen. I saw him play early in the 70's at Bellflower and he was a force even then. When he approached the ball his feet and hands were perfectly aligned and positioned to strike the ball. I guarantee no one could one stroke the ball better then the California Earthquake and I would bet anyone that he would win in any game by only allowing one stroke for each shot. Come on back to the game Keith, we all miss you.

 

[Ken_4fun]

Looks like about 7 years difference in ages.

I had to look it up.

Ken

 

[nobcitypool]

I've watched both play in their prime on video. Would be a very close match I think. Now, I would give the edge to CJ. Keith was a feel player with a self taught stroke. From a conventional point of view, I think CJ's fundamentals are more sound. With that said, I think it would take Keith longer to get back in stroke. Throw in the fact that CJ has been playing some competitive pool and it appears that Keith hasn't, if they played in the next month, I'd have to favor CJ.

With that said, I really enjoyed watching Keith play. He was flamboyant, charismatic and fun to watch. Never met him but he seems like a really good guy. The sport does need more players like him, wish he would/could come back.