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The money is the teacher.
Ha ha now THAT would be a whole world of debate. I agree, there are so many aspects of the game that are not standardized, it's pushing the boulder up a hill that never ends.
Change the "l" in the word "phenolic" to an "r", and you have your answer.
Pretty much every sport has variance. The variance in golf is obvious as they play different courses and conditions change during the round in most cases. Stadiums are different. How about bowling? They purposefully wax the lanes differently to add to the challenge.
As long as both competitors are playing on the same table with the same balls, I don't get the big deal. The top players will adapt, the losers will whine.
Top road players supposedly could walk out with the money playing with a beat up house cue. Obviously, a lot of the conditions they play in are far inferior to a Pro tournament using cyclop balls. Mismatched rails, terrible cloth, dirty balls, crowded tables, etc. .
We recently had over 1200 players and 120 diamond 7 footers at the Indiana State apa tournament. They used the cyclop balls with skittle colors. Compared to the crap we usually play on, I thought we'd landed in pool heaven. The balls were fantastic.
Winners win, losers whine and make excuses. Just that simple.
As long as both competitors are playing on the same table with the same balls, I don't get the big deal. The top players will adapt, the losers will whine.
Top road players supposedly could walk out with the money playing with a beat up house cue. Obviously, a lot of the conditions they play in are far inferior to a Pro tournament using cyclop balls. Mismatched rails, terrible cloth, dirty balls, crowded tables, etc. .
We recently had over 1200 players and 120 diamond 7 footers at the Indiana State apa tournament. They used the cyclop balls with skittle colors. Compared to the crap we usually play on, I thought we'd landed in pool heaven. The balls were fantastic.
Winners win, losers whine and make excuses. Just that simple.
Not always. Sometimes there are legitimate gripes. I've had my own experience with the balls and I would be very interested in hearing what the top pros have to say about them and whether or not they can still perform certain finesse shots.
No disrespect meant to amateur players, but the differences may be more subtle than the average amateur is able to discern.
Pool is a race to 7 or 9 - played on the same basic surface
Most tennis matches are races to 6 (win by two or there's a tie breaker), two out of three sets. The Grand Slam events are 3 out of 5 sets race to 6 (win by two).
Pool is one race to 7 or 9? Played on the same basic surface (slick cloth), which would be like tennis playing every tournament on grass surfaces.
No one can win a race to 7 playing one foul rules and feel like they're the best player.
Let alone a "Grand Champion".
Most tennis matches are races to 6 (win by two or there's a tie breaker), two out of three sets. The Grand Slam events are 3 out of 5 sets race to 6 (win by two).
Pool is one race to 7 or 9? Played on the same basic surface (slick cloth), which would be like tennis playing every tournament on grass surfaces.
No one can win a race to 7 playing one foul rules and feel like they're the best player.
Let alone a "Grand Champion".
Certain inconsistencies in any sport CAN BE GOOD for the sport.
To achieve the Tennis Grand Slam - The player must be able to play on CLAY, GRASS & HARD courts.
Would Federer be credited and regarded the way he is IF he complained that WIMBLEDON was a poor tournament because it is played outside on grass?
If an inconsistency is the norm - then it becomes consistent as result - just like Tennis has its inconsistent YET consistent GRAND SLAM.
Now there's some twisted logic... :thumbup:
Under tournament conditions the cloth plays slick, phony, and fast
The "crap" you play on are tables, not balls. When you play on "crap" all the time, it is refreshing to play on good tables......it wouldn't matter what brand of balls were used. Under tournament conditions the cloth plays slick, phony, and fast, so you wouldn't get a good indication of the ball's performance characteristics.
One thing's for sure, the "skittle color balls" are ugly - U G L Y they don't got no alibi.
The "crap" you play on are tables, not balls. When you play on "crap" all the time, it is refreshing to play on good tables......it wouldn't matter what brand of balls were used. Under tournament conditions the cloth plays slick, phony, and fast, so you wouldn't get a good indication of the ball's performance characteristics.
One thing's for sure, the "skittle color balls" are ugly - U G L Y they don't got no alibi.
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I don't know what all the fuss is about these skittle balls. Shawn Putman come on. A ball skids and you rant about not playing in any tourney that uses the balls. Learn to adjust.There used to be a Fast Eddie's Nine Ball Tour here in Texas. Let me tell you not every object ball was the same size nor was the cue ball. Sometimes it looked like we were breaking with a marble. The pockets every now and then would spit out a ball. Not every table was the same either. We had many players that played in these tourneys and when they won they never complained. As a matter of fact when they lost they didn't complain about anything other than their shooting. This tourney went on for a decade or more. Stones can tell you more about the tourney as well since he played and ran it as well. By the way all NFL footballs aren't the same: Overall weight and air pressure are specific in the NFL, too. The football and materials weighs about 14 to 15 oz., and is the ball is inflated to about 12.5 to 13.5 lbs. per square inch. These weight and air pressure measurements create consistency among the many footballs required in a game. Not to mention the outside elements change everything. GROW UP SHAWN. NIT.
I don't know what all the fuss is about these skittle balls. Shawn Putman come on. A ball skids and you rant about not playing in any tourney that uses the balls. Learn to adjust.There used to be a Fast Eddie's Nine Ball Tour here in Texas. Let me tell you not every object ball was the same size nor was the cue ball. Sometimes it looked like we were breaking with a marble. The pockets every now and then would spit out a ball. Not every table was the same either. We had many players that played in these tourneys and when they won they never complained. As a matter of fact when they lost they didn't complain about anything other than their shooting. This tourney went on for a decade or more. Stones can tell you more about the tourney as well since he played and ran it as well. By the way all NFL footballs aren't the same: Overall weight and air pressure are specific in the NFL, too. The football and materials weighs about 14 to 15 oz., and is the ball is inflated to about 12.5 to 13.5 lbs. per square inch. These weight and air pressure measurements create consistency among the many footballs required in a game. Not to mention the outside elements change everything. GROW UP SHAWN. NIT.
The "crap" you play on are tables, not balls. When you play on "crap" all the time, it is refreshing to play on good tables......it wouldn't matter what brand of balls were used. Under tournament conditions the cloth plays slick, phony, and fast, so you wouldn't get a good indication of the ball's performance characteristics.
One thing's for sure, the "skittle color balls" are ugly - U G L Y they don't got no alibi.
Wrong I liked how the cyclop balls looked and played. Most importantly, we all played on the same tables, same balls. I happen to love playing pool, I enjoy playing and competing in almost any conditions. In most league matches, the balls are dirty and different sizes. The better player is the one that adapts. The loser is the one over there whining to his friends and team mates.
Life is most often the same way. It isn't always fair. Funny though how the winners figure it out and deal with adversity while the losers wallow in mediocrity.
and this, is what's wrong with pool
i'm guessing that someone(s) realized the err of their marketing strategies to promote their pending pro tourney, via sponsors?
i find his parasite comment ironic, as every time we've been around him in conversation w/ other pros, he ignores everyone & acts superior. i have several pics of him (taken on purpose) from 1.5 yrs ago @ Marietta Billiards. FUMING in the background for 2 hrs (and i assume biotching to the locals) - because KK9 was playing JA on "the table" (so he had to wait). :sad:
don't shit where you eat, Shawn - cause those are the same groups of people that you'll need in 2015 "since there aren't enough tournies for yáll to pay your bills"....
i'm guessing that someone(s) realized the err of their marketing strategies to promote their pending pro tourney, via sponsors?
i find his parasite comment ironic, as every time we've been around him in conversation w/ other pros, he ignores everyone & acts superior. i have several pics of him (taken on purpose) from 1.5 yrs ago @ Marietta Billiards. FUMING in the background for 2 hrs (and i assume biotching to the locals) - because KK9 was playing JA on "the table" (so he had to wait). :sad:
don't shit where you eat, Shawn - cause those are the same groups of people that you'll need in 2015 "since there aren't enough tournies for yáll to pay your bills"....
Hey, it only took you 12 pages to go on a "one foul rules suck" rant.
Doesn't matter, both players had to deal with the same set of balls. Play a different shot if the balls are the problem. Only a moron would try playing a shot they know can't succeed and then turn around and blame the balls.
You say the pros can discern the differences better? My point exactly. Then they should know better how to adapt and deal with the differences. I've yet to watch a professional race to 7 where the winner only made two errors and those two errors were anything other than their errors.
The folks at Diamond claim to be using the original resin formulation that Albany Billiard Co. (Hyatt) used for the Brunswick Centennials. I'm not sure how they got their hands on that particular formula, or if they are just blowing smoke.
Regardless, I wonder if players at the time of the switch (early 70s) complained about the new Centennials that were being made by Saluc. Do you remember them playing differently than the Hyatt balls?
Also, Bob, IIRC you made a post a while back where you said you didn't like the Raschig balls because you couldn't adjust to the difference in throw. This was in spite of the fact that many say they were the most perfect ball ever made.Could this be at the root of the problem, that the Cyclop balls with their "old school" resin formula just throw differently than the Aramith product?
As a rule, players, of all abilities, will blame everything but themselves for missing
All I can do is LOL.
so, because "top pros" know the balls better they're at a disadvantage?
Sounds like the arrogant Shawn that I know...has always been that way. Maybe he should stick to Bonus Ball, it turned out good for gim.
As far as the balls go, has anyone ever played on new cloth with either new or very clean balls that didn't skid? I haven't! The colors are for tv. I knew we would have to use them in certain events so I bought some to practice with. I like them personally, they seem to be easier on the eyes after playing for a long periods of time.