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CJ Wiley said:
Let's be perfectly clear. Shawn's post did nothing other than make Mark upset for no reason. If we got upset every time we read something we didn't like on line it would be grueling.....so we don't allow ourselves to be "thin skinned".

It's not like Cyclop has any money or they'd change the color of the 6 and 7 ball. ;)
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Really, it upset Mark for "no reason"?? C'mon CJ. No, a professional pool player goes to social media to bash a product with ties to Mark, but not backed up by anything factual other than he "shanked" a ball to lose in a pool tourney and refused to take responsibility thus chose to bad mouth the equipment.

Yeah, I'd be pissed if Karen Corr blamed Magic Chalk because she was unable to draw the cue ball back to the exact point she wanted and then lost the match.

But, then again, Karen has always been classy and professional, and no chance that would ever happen :thumbup:

PS: I met Shawn in Omaha a few years back when Earl and JA played, and he was nothing but cool to me, even played some pool with him and took some nice photos with him too. So, I have nothing against Shawn in the least, but you still need to call out folks when they mess up even when you like them.
 
SakuJack said:
From what I've read on here, Scott doesn't teach players to put their chin on the cue. I'd buy a hundred shafts before paying for advice on the correct stance like that.
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Well Jack,

Quite honestly my chin does rest on the shaft from time to time. Pretty much bet the importance of the shot will dictate the position of my chin. I'm left eye dominant yet other players tell me I line up with the cue under my nose.

Is that how you judge the value of professional lessons? If Scott got you to not rest your chin on the shaft and your game jumped one notch immediately, was it wasted money? Every player has something different an instructor may be able to help them with. Is the instruction worth the money? Is a Joss West going to make balls better than a Joss? Is it all show? I don't know. But I'd bet there are players all over the US whose game has been helped by Scott, Randy and the other professional instructors. Your choice on how to spend your hard earned dollars.

Lyn
 
cardiac kid said:
Well Jack,

Quite honestly my chin does rest on the shaft from time to time. Pretty much bet the importance of the shot will dictate the position of my chin. I'm left eye dominant yet other players tell me I line up with the cue under my nose.

Is that how you judge the value of professional lessons? If Scott got you to not rest your chin on the shaft and your game jumped one notch immediately, was it wasted money? Every player has something different an instructor may be able to help them with. Is the instruction worth the money? Is a Joss West going to make balls better than a Joss? Is it all show? I don't know. But I'd bet there are players all over the US whose game has been helped by Scott, Randy and the other professional instructors. Your choice on how to spend your hard earned dollars.

Lyn
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Honestly, I don't really see much point in investing much in either. For the standard most of us on here play, getting yourself a low end predator and swotting up on some of the better pros fundamentals wise is enough. Along with practice, of course.

And it's the whole "I saw this instructor and my game jumped one notch immediately" spiel that makes me doubt a lot of the instruction in American pool, to be honest.
 
Apparently your reading comprehension is lacking. It's only idiots like Tim/Thaiger/RonSwanson that make blanket statements like that, without any evidence to back it up. Then nuthuggers like you just accept that inaccurate information as "verified". LOL FTR, I tell students to stand at a height that works for them...from chin on the cue, to almost upright. For some people stance height over the cue changes from shot to shot (and there's nothing wrong with that). There is no "one size fits all" in progressive professional pool instruction. You're certainly entitled to your opinion on pool instruction, but that doesn't necessarily make it correct...for anyone but you. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

SakuJack said:
From what I've read on here, Scott doesn't teach players to put their chin on the cue. I'd buy a hundred shafts before paying for advice on the correct stance like that.
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SakuJack said:
Honestly, I don't really see much point in investing much in either. For the standard most of us on here play, getting yourself a low end predator and swotting up on some of the better pros fundamentals wise is enough. Along with practice, of course.

And it's the whole "I saw this instructor and my game jumped one notch immediately" spiel that makes me doubt a lot of the instruction in American pool, to be honest.
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So just keep practicing the same things that make your game weak? My advice to players just past beginner status is, buy a good straight well balanced cue with a decently shaped tip. I don't believe in the whole LD thing. Kind of like the "bought an LD shaft and my game jumped two balls" line. It just doesn't happen. If you are practicing the wrong things, a professional instructor MIGHT help. If the student refuses to learn, there is nothing any one can do to help them. They need to crash and burn first.

Lyn
 
Lyn...and the truth shall set you free! LOL :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

cardiac kid said:
So just keep practicing the same things that make your game weak? My advice to players just past beginner status is, buy a good straight well balanced cue with a decently shaped tip. I don't believe in the whole LD thing. Kind of like the "bought an LD shaft and my game jumped two balls" line. It just doesn't happen. If you are practicing the wrong things, a professional instructor MIGHT help. If the student refuses to learn, there is nothing any one can do to help them. They need to crash and burn first.

Lyn
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SakuJack said:
Honestly, I don't really see much point in investing much in either. For the standard most of us on here play, getting yourself a low end predator and swotting up on some of the better pros fundamentals wise is enough. Along with practice, of course.

And it's the whole "I saw this instructor and my game jumped one notch immediately" spiel that makes me doubt a lot of the instruction in American pool, to be honest.
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Funny, my son went to his pitching coach last year and had 5 lessons with him. Weird, how all of a sudden, his control was better, and his curve ball had much more bite, and he suddenly began walking less and striking out more.

But, of course, nothing to do with the instruction he got :rolleyes: Some folks strive to play their best versus just having fun... and that's ok, but why knock those that want to go to the next level.

And yeah, I'm sure there are kids that had better control and a better breaking ball than my son without ever getting a lesson.... but I was not gonna let him struggle throwing a "million pitches" and have him figure it all out after he gets out of High School ??
 
SakuJack said:
From what I've read on here, Scott doesn't teach players to put their chin on the cue. I'd buy a hundred shafts before paying for advice on the correct stance like that.
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That's certainly your choice. But, it also shows just how little you do know about improving at pool. You sound like another snooker "snob" on here.;)
 
Neil said:
That's certainly your choice. But, it also shows just how little you do know about improving at pool. You sound like another snooker "snob" on here.;)
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Lol. This is 2015, neil. When are you lot ever going to get it? When shane has retired and you've got NO ONE?
 
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What pool tables are you playing on???

Ron Swanson said:
Perhaps you were showing them how to take 3 attempts to pot easy balls into the centre?
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I've never seen a pocket on the center of the table. me thinks it would take anyone more than three tries to pocket a ball in the center when there's no pocket there...

Jaden:thumbup:
 
SakuJack said:
Honestly, I don't really see much point in investing much in either. For the standard most of us on here play, getting yourself a low end predator and swotting up on some of the better pros fundamentals wise is enough. Along with practice, of course.

And it's the whole "I saw this instructor and my game jumped one notch immediately" spiel that makes me doubt a lot of the instruction in American pool, to be honest.
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I can believe it - they do start from an unbelievably low base, afterall.

Seriously, though, i don't think we can compare what happens here with how they do things there. Virtually all brits who are keen enough on cue sports to join forums such as this will be able to at least cue a ball, probably from when they were nippers. I sense it's different in america, with many more old starters and social players. It is practically unheard of in the uk to have a guy in his 50s suddenly start playing, and this is where instruction is needed: ours is to make good players into very good players, whereas theirs is to make absolute beginners enjoy the game a little more.

If i were an arthritic octogenarian with no fashion sense, i know who i would be on the phone to.
 
Scott Lee said:
Apparently your reading comprehension is lacking. It's only idiots like Tim/Thaiger/RonSwanson that make blanket statements like that, without any evidence to back it up. Then nuthuggers like you just accept that inaccurate information as "verified". LOL FTR, I tell students to stand at a height that works for them...from chin on the cue, to almost upright. For some people stance height over the cue changes from shot to shot (and there's nothing wrong with that). There is no "one size fits all" in progressive professional pool instruction. You're certainly entitled to your opinion on pool instruction, but that doesn't necessarily make it correct...for anyone but you. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Progressive professional pool instruction? Blimey.

Anyway, where do you put your chin, scott?
 
Your statements are as accurate as "all Brits have bad teeth"

Now what do you have to offer regarding the thread at hand?


Ron Swanson said:
I can believe it - they do start from an unbelievably low base, afterall.

Seriously, though, i don't think we can compare what happens here with how they do things there. Virtually all brits who are keen enough on cue sports to join forums such as this will be able to at least cue a ball, probably from when they were nippers. I sense it's different in america, with many more old starters and social players. It is practically unheard of in the uk to have a guy in his 50s suddenly start playing, and this is where instruction is needed: ours is to make good players into very good players, whereas theirs is to make absolute beginners enjoy the game a little more.

If i were an arthritic octogenarian with no fashion sense, i know who i would be on the phone to.
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Ron Swanson said:
I can believe it - they do start from an unbelievably low base, afterall.

Seriously, though, i don't think we can compare what happens here with how they do things there. Virtually all brits who are keen enough on cue sports to join forums such as this will be able to at least cue a ball, probably from when they were nippers. I sense it's different in america, with many more old starters and social players. It is practically unheard of in the uk to have a guy in his 50s suddenly start playing, and this is where instruction is needed: ours is to make good players into very good players, whereas theirs is to make absolute beginners enjoy the game a little more.

If i were an arthritic octogenarian with no fashion sense, i know who i would be on the phone to.
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The Thaiger is off ban, why do you continue to post under this name as well now....

Yet, you been playing since you were a young nipper and still can't shoot a lick. Still funny how you feel so superior because snooker is more popular in the UK than pool is in America.

I mean, the only other sport taking any attention away are Cricket and "football", but compared to the American counterparts of Baseball and American football, the UK make peanuts compared to the US pro's... why is that exactly... oh that's right, cause the UK "cricket" players would get beat by High School baseball players.... LMAO.
 
My hats off to any pool player that has made it through this year - it's difficult

I'm sure Shawn is human and has good days and not so good days. Earl, Johnny and Shawn - did they play at BIG JOHN's off "L" Street?

You're from Omaha? I used to play there a lot when I was 16 and 17 years old, with Bucky Carroll, Stan Fimple and "Omaha John".......there was another guy, "Cash Man" that supposedly ran 13 holes in a row playing golf on a snooker table.

My hats off to any pool player that has made it through this year - it's a very difficult and challenging job no matter what anyone may think. I sincerely hope something happens in 2015 that is positive for the game, it's players, and it's fans.

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ChicagoRJ said:
PS: I met Shawn in Omaha a few years back when Earl and JA played, and he was nothing but cool to me, even played some pool with him and took some nice photos with him too. So, I have nothing against Shawn in the least, but you still need to call out folks when they mess up even when you like them.
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Tony_in_MD said:
Your statements are as accurate as "all Brits have bad teeth"

Now what do you have to offer regarding the thread at hand?
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he's trying to point out to Shawn that if he were versed in snooker balls we wouldn't be having this conversation?

but seriously - i don't like the Cyclop balls either, simply because of the TV colors. but Mosconi uses the TV colors, so....i guess "these times, they are a-changin' ".

if the wave of the future is Cyclop for tourneys (for whatever reason), then the promoters simply need to disclose what balls/cue are being used; likewise the players should insist on this info in advance, so that they can buy their own practice set & are better prepared.
 
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