I doubt that anybody can know - that's the gist of my answers. Sorry to confuse you.
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So do you believe that Willie Mosconi watched CJ Wiley's DVD?
Do you believe that professionals use TOI and don't know it?
Do you believe that any time a player uses inside English, they are using TOI?
Why should we believe CJ's information is valuable if it cannot be proven?
What does TOI do that will improve my game? If you think shooting every shoot with inside is a superior playing style, you can get the 7.
Would you like to explain how no one could possibly know? I'm not confused at all, just asking a simple, basic question. Your responses are not conducive to productive discussion.
I'm fairly sure that someone could know if there is a pro that uses predominantly center ball for cut shots.
Since Stevie Morre is a big CTE proponent, I'd guess that he uses predominantly center for cuts & I'm fairly sure that someone, perhaps Stan, would know.
Or...there are several pros that are members here on AZB including Stevie & one of those anybodies might know of one such pro. In fact, Stevie himself might post & say, 'Yes, I know one such pro...me'.
No.
No.
No.
You can only 'prove' it to yourself on the table but it will probably take 3 hours.
Only you can answer that question.
I'm not a 9 ball player & am 61 with some issues so I would probably need the Orange Crush just to be competitive...or maybe not.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
PS CJ has never tried to force TOI on anyone. He's always said, If one does not like it or whatever, just put it on a shelf as you may want to take it down at sometime in the future. Everyone is at choice has it should be.
If you think TOI equals inside English on every shot, you either misunderstand what it is or are willfully misrepresenting it.
West Point,
I very much like what & the way you've said what you've said above.
Especially the part about certain people painting TOI with the wrong brush.
It really makes me wonder sometimes. Well...not actually. There are all different kinds of people.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
I very much like what & the way you've said what you've said above.
Especially the part about certain people painting TOI with the wrong brush.
It really makes me wonder sometimes. Well...not actually. There are all different kinds of people.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
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If anyone wants to learn more about TOI, simply post the reason why
There's no reason to argue with someone that thinks TOI is "inside english" that's like saying "center ball" is really low english......the fact is, if someone doesn't believe in something it's not true for them. "we only recognize what we're familiar with"
Only about 20% of all players will ever relate to TOI and that's fine. The other 80% can play at the highest possible levels another way. Earl Strickland and Buddy Hall lean toward one way and Efren and I lean towards another, this doesn't mean we can't all relate to one another.
The main thing I've communicated with TOI is that champion players favor one type of shot, the player is always the one to decide which is right for them. I used TOI because it held up under the extreme pressure of high-dollar matches.
Playing for fun, or in smaller tournaments I'll play a variety of styles just to keep it interesting.
If anyone wants to learn more about TOI, simply post the reason why you are interested and I'll send you a free DVD tomorrow, or give you a free PPV if necessary.
There's no reason to argue with someone that thinks TOI is "inside english" that's like saying "center ball" is really low english......the fact is, if someone doesn't believe in something it's not true for them. "we only recognize what we're familiar with"
Only about 20% of all players will ever relate to TOI and that's fine. The other 80% can play at the highest possible levels another way. Earl Strickland and Buddy Hall lean toward one way and Efren and I lean towards another, this doesn't mean we can't all relate to one another.
The main thing I've communicated with TOI is that champion players favor one type of shot, the player is always the one to decide which is right for them. I used TOI because it held up under the extreme pressure of high-dollar matches.
Playing for fun, or in smaller tournaments I'll play a variety of styles just to keep it interesting.
If anyone wants to learn more about TOI, simply post the reason why you are interested and I'll send you a free DVD tomorrow, or give you a free PPV if necessary.
So are you implying, which I know you've done in the past, that Efren plays YOUR way?
I certainly hope you aren't implying that because Efren plays exactly opposite of how you explain your method.
You attempt to view every shot in the same manner. You attempt to force your will on the table, which sounds admirable to a point.
Efren steps to the table and plays whatever shot the table gives him. He just goes with the flow.
It's such a clear distinction that it's hard to not to sit here and scratch my head in amazement.
I feel your pain.
There was never a system called 'The Touch of Inside' before my DVD
Efren and I have played many times and our styles are very similar. We played for 14 hours straight in Seattle at a Filipino Pool Room (Nardo's) and we missed less than 14 balls between the two of us.
We just kept doing the same thing to each other time and time again. I won, however, at the end of the 14 hours there was only one game difference.
When I first saw Efren play I was impressed and ask Mike Lebron (who was steering Efren like a manager at the time) what is his "secret".
Mike turned to me and said with a twinkle in his eye like I should already know, "he uses a touch of inside".......and the rest is history.
There was not a publicly acclaimed system called 'The Touch of Inside' before my DVD, I simply put this technique into a format that others could learn and utilize......or not.
If someone chooses not to believe in this system, it will be impossible to see, this is human nature. You can see this clearly on this forum.
Watch Efren play and it's obvious to those that have seen the TOI video that he's constantly "floating" the cue ball (the sign of using TOI to counter after-contact spin). Efren and I both use center, inside and outside english when necessary, however we favor one type of shot. This can be the TOI or the TOO, it's purely up to the individual.
Efren and I have played many times and our styles are very similar. We played for 14 hours straight in Seattle at a Filipino Pool Room (Nardo's) and we missed less than 14 balls between the two of us.
We just kept doing the same thing to each other time and time again. I won, however, at the end of the 14 hours there was only one game difference.
When I first saw Efren play I was impressed and ask Mike Lebron (who was steering Efren like a manager at the time) what is his "secret".
Mike turned to me and said with a twinkle in his eye like I should already know, "he uses a touch of inside".......and the rest is history.
There was not a publicly acclaimed system called 'The Touch of Inside' before my DVD, I simply put this technique into a format that others could learn and utilize......or not.
If someone chooses not to believe in this system, it will be impossible to see, this is human nature. You can see this clearly on this forum.
Watch Efren play and it's obvious to those that have seen the TOI video that he's constantly "floating" the cue ball (the sign of using TOI to counter after-contact spin). Efren and I both use center, inside and outside english when necessary, however we favor one type of shot. This can be the TOI or the TOO, it's purely up to the individual.
Actualy CJ has said its a system yes , however he's also stated he shoots every shot he can with inside English
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I do the SAME thing! I look at all the patterns that are "available" when it is my turn at the table and I use "whatever" is needed to try to get into a TOI mode...consistent angle, consistent speed, and consistent stroke.
Once I get inline with TOI, I use TOI or inside English on every shot until I need something else.
I use inside so "often" that outside English is something I try to stay away from. I can use outside, and do, but I PREFER TOI or inside.
That is what everyone should do...use TOI, TOO, center, or whatever WORKS for YOU in order to play your best.
It is like a pizza...you can order one, two or more toppings...the choice is YOURS.
Well, I was trying to anticipate the point you're trying to make - which seemed to be that if nobody knows a pro who uses predominantly center ball on cut shots, then probably most pros don't. My answer meant "how would anybody know how most pros do it?"
If that's not what you were getting at, my apologies for sidetracking your question.
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I use inside english only when necessary to change the cue ball's path off a rail.
No, I've never stated that and you know it - this would not be TOI. 'The Touch of Inside' is not "inside english," - this clearly shows you have no conception of this highly effective technique.
You will not see it because TOI is not meant to be seen by you. No shame in that, it's okay. I've stated many times that only a percentage of players will be open to this knowledge. Only what the mind can believe, can the body achieve.....this is true in many ways, shapes and forms.
I use inside english only when necessary to change the cue ball's path off a rail. The same can be said of outside english, I use it to change the angle of the rail, when curving the cue ball, or to throw the object ball in from close distances (just a few inches).
No, I've never stated that and you know it - this would not be TOI. 'The Touch of Inside' is not "inside english," - this clearly shows you have no conception of this highly effective technique.
You will not see it because TOI is not meant to be seen by you. No shame in that, it's okay. I've stated many times that only a percentage of players will be open to this knowledge. Only what the mind can believe, can the body achieve.....this is true in many ways, shapes and forms.
I use inside english only when necessary to change the cue ball's path off a rail. The same can be said of outside english, I use it to change the angle of the rail, when curving the cue ball, or to throw the object ball in from close distances (just a few inches).
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I haven't watched the video but I've watched Efren many times and I watched videos of you , I don't see that , sometimes when people want to see something they see only what they want to see they don't even realeyes thier doing it
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Do you read what you post you just said you prefer one side of the ball ,, we know what side it is , of course you have to use other englishes as needed you couldn't get around the table if you didn't
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Thank you for your response, I wasn't trying to make a point at all. I'm still curious if any pro plays predominately plays this way? I haven't seen it but I know it's a valid way to play..So, who does this?. I know for an absolute fact, that Jean Balukis was a centerballer, for example. Anyone else?
Maybe I don't know what you're trying to say - do you think a "touch of inside" doesn't produce inside English? If you're squirting the CB, you're spinning it, whether that's your intent or not. Spin is what creates squirt.
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And would agree that when one does not 'want' to see something they will not 'see' it & may not 'realeyes' that they are deceiving themselves?