Taiwan TOI

[CJ Wiley]

There Players that Unconsciously Do Not Want to Improve and Succeed.

"Systems underlie every phenomenon, and are everywhere one looks for them. They are limited only by the observer’s capacity to comprehend the complexity of the observed entity, item or phenomenon."

This is a useful definition of a system because it does exist "everywhere one looks for them". When unable to believe in anything new we'll be stuck and unable to improve. This becomes a habit and before long it will influence our entire life.

After playing a lot of my best matches subconsciously (in The Zone) it is challenging to explain some of the shots I was able to perform. I can't even try to explain some of the phenomenal things I've seen (from many players) in the midst of a 20 hour session - they do seem "supernatural". However, there's no "magic," this is done by a high level of knowledge, training and experience in competition.

Efren and I have battled many times and it's not uncommon to see these shots come up regularly. We make them consistently because we have a system to do so. These systems may be habits for us, and you can learn to create these positive habits too. It only takes an open mind to new ways and means of processing information.

When someone's really struggling to improve and they don't believe in developing a better system, they may unconsciously not want to improve. This is actually a common human nature trait and can be seen in all walks of life, sports, and business.

The mind can pretty much achieve what you can conceive so make sure you at least "think" you're improving every day. Sometimes we just have to "fake it, til we make it," and see ourselves as a better player, in a better job, or in a better relationship before it actually happens.

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[one stroke]

And would agree that when one does not 'want' to see something they will not 'see' it & may not 'realeyes' that they are deceiving themselves?

That's why its best to RealEyes what your seeing may be viewed differently than someone else who's much more open minded and will look at it from all angles



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[DAVE_M]

The mind can pretty much achieve what you can conceive so make sure you at least "think" you're improving every day. Sometimes we just have to "fake it, til we make it," and see ourselves as a better player, in a better job, or in a better relationship before it actually happens.

Sounds gimmicky... Do you offer refunds, if I buy a TOI DVD and don't like it?

 

[ENGLISH!]

Maybe I don't know what you're trying to say - do you think a "touch of inside" doesn't produce inside English? If you're squirting the CB, you're spinning it, whether that's your intent or not. Spin is what creates squirt.

pj
chgo

It's about the intent & the use.

I've spun balls in with inside english for 4+ decades.

That is not the intent & is not what happens as with TOI the spin is minimal & the speed of shot is greater.

The ideal amount of spin would be just enough to equal the amount of outside spin that the cue ball would pick up from the cut collision.

I think that is what Efren meant one time when he answered a question with, 'no spin' & many have misinterpreted it.

The ball just 'floats' off the collision. With a center hit, the ball picks up an outside rotation & I say it just drifts...usually farther than what most want.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

With a center hit, the ball picks up an outside rotation & I say it just drifts...usually farther than what most want.

I must have missed the poll where "most" revealed this to you. Ever considered that CB control with center ball is your problem, not everybody else's?

pj
chgo

 

[Mikjary]

First things, first. Dr. Dave is probably not familiar with TOI and should be brought up to speed if he's interested in any discussion on the subject.

If, and when, he becomes more familiar with TOI, he should put in the physical execution time necessary to become aware of its parameters when using it.

The reason for the actual physical application by Dr. Dave is to eliminate what many on here are doing...hitting inside english and calling it TOI. Or, they do a mental exercise, armchair the technique without putting in a few weeks with it, and say it doesn't or can't work.

Secondly, TOI, without any of the other nuances added to it such as the 3 part pocket system or aiming CTE, can stand alone as a technique. These are outgrowths that supplement the experienced user if the system is understood at more than a cursory level.

And lastly, TOI's main component is cue ball deflection/squirt. This is technically inside english, but at its smallest level to avoid swerve. The key is to negate the outside spin gained by the cue ball when it cuts the object ball using a firm stroke accompanied by a slight inside alignment. I mainly use a half tip or less of inside cueing.

Best,
Mike

 

[ENGLISH!]

That's why its best to RealEyes what your seeing may be viewed differently than someone else who's much more open minded and will look at it from all angles

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And would you agree that a disingenuous individual may be better at twisting & turning words & phrases to suit their disingenuous purpose than an individual that is genuine in a discussion?

 

[ENGLISH!]

I must have missed the poll where "most" revealed this to you. Ever considered that CB control with center ball is your problem, not everybody else's?

pj
chgo

I've controlled the cue ball just fine before TOI but I will gladly concede that perhaps I should not have used the word 'most' but since IMHO there are many many more lesser players than better players given the numbers in league play, etc. so I think 'most' is probably accurate given the complete overall picture.

Do you 'realeyes' how much time & effort is wasted with your nit picking word games?

 

[one stroke]

And would you agree that a disingenuous individual may be better at twisting & turning words & phrases to suit their disingenuous purpose than an individual that is genuine in a discussion?

I would trust the person who has the least to gain over the one with the most to gain


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[West Point 1987]

Maybe I don't know what you're trying to say - do you think a "touch of inside" doesn't produce inside English? If you're squirting the CB, you're spinning it, whether that's your intent or not. Spin is what creates squirt.

pj
chgo

I think CJ would have been well advised (as a point of clarification) to have named this "Touch of Deflection"...then the whole discussion of English could be dealt with in terms of how the correct application of the "TOD" would negate the effects of collision induced spin...which is why this holds up when you're playing on worn equipment or as your concentration and energy starts to lag during a long set.

 

[Neil]

I've controlled the cue ball just fine before TOI but I will gladly concede that perhaps I should not have used the word 'most' but since IMHO there are many many more lesser players than better players given the numbers in league play, etc. so I think 'most' is probably accurate given the complete overall picture.

Do you 'realeyes' how much time & effort is wasted with your nit picking word games?

How ironic that the statement above comes from the one who took it upon himself to ruin every thread on CTE because he objected to the word objective. One word you didn't agree with, and you spent how many hours disparaging CTE over it? You even refused to buy it because of your objection to that one word.

Yet, here you are defending a system that is nothing more than one bad statement upon another by the fans of it. Amazing!

 

[ENGLISH!]

I would trust the person who has the least to gain over the one with the most to gain


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Where was I referring to trust or gain?

But... who decides what is the 'most' & especially if they are different 'commodities' for each individual.

Only the individual can decide what is truly precious to them.

 

[one stroke]

Where was I referring to trust or gain?

But... who decides what is the 'most' & especially if they are different 'commodities' for each individual.

Only the individual can decide what is truly precious to them.

I just cut the chase


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[ENGLISH!]

How ironic that the statement above comes from the one who took it upon himself to ruin every thread on CTE because he objected to the word objective. One word you didn't agree with, and you spent how many hours disparaging CTE over it? You even refused to buy it because of your objection to that one word.

Yet, here you are defending a system that is nothing more than one bad statement upon another by the fans of it. Amazing!

I've been advised by AZB personnel to ignore you.

I'll just say that there are more 'holes' in what you say here than I am inclined to fill.

Every 'objective' individual can see the truth for themselves.

May God Bless You Neil.

 

[ENGLISH!]

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[CJ Wiley]

The Best Post of the Thread

First things, first. Dr. Dave is probably not familiar with TOI and should be brought up to speed if he's interested in any discussion on the subject.

If, and when, he becomes more familiar with TOI, he should put in the physical execution time necessary to become aware of its parameters when using it.

The reason for the actual physical application by Dr. Dave is to eliminate what many on here are doing...hitting inside english and calling it TOI. Or, they do a mental exercise, armchair the technique without putting in a few weeks with it, and say it doesn't or can't work.

Secondly, TOI, without any of the other nuances added to it such as the 3 part pocket system or aiming CTE, can stand alone as a technique. These are outgrowths that supplement the experienced user if the system is understood at more than a cursory level.

And lastly, TOI's main component is cue ball deflection/squirt. This is technically inside english, but at its smallest level to avoid swerve. The key is to negate the outside spin gained by the cue ball when it cuts the object ball using a firm stroke accompanied by a slight inside alignment. I mainly use a half tip or less of inside cueing.

Best,
Mike

This is very well stated - isn't it ironic that those that argue about TOI the most are the same ones that thing TOI is "inside english".

 

[ENGLISH!]

I just cut the chase


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Are you comparing CJ & Dr. Dave or someone else?

 

[ENGLISH!]

What you, CJ and those who have jumped on the TOI bandwagon don't seem to understand is that this particular TOI claim is patently false.

Stroke errors cause misses to both sides of where you intend the OB to go (the "target"), not to only one side of where you "aim" it. The only thing you change by avoiding center ball is to add squirt to the aiming equation.

This isn't my opinion; it's obvious fact. Friendly advice to CJ: change your tune about this before the pool world inevitably catches on and you have to retract it.

pj
chgo

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I somehow missed this earlier.

I don't totally agree with your diagram but...

Just look at how much room or distance there is for error to the left for TOI in your diagram

& then look at the room or distance for error to the left for center ball in your diagram.

 

[Mikjary]

This is very well stated - isn't it ironic that those that argue about TOI the most are the same ones that thing TOI is "inside english".

When I first read about TOI, I wondered what was the difference. After weeks of playing with it and learning physically what it can do, I understood I was avoiding inside english as much as possible.

I didn't get caught up in why something wasn't going to play out with a discussion when it was a physical action. All sports that use a ball have a reliance on spin to change the direction of a ball. TOI goes against intuitive thinking because it adds the idea of spin, but is more of a knuckleball in its application.

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

just going through the TOI Training will improve their perception of the game.

I think CJ would have been well advised (as a point of clarification) to have named this "Touch of Deflection"...then the whole discussion of English could be dealt with in terms of how the correct application of the "TOD" would negate the effects of collision induced spin...which is why this holds up when you're playing on worn equipment or as your concentration and energy starts to lag during a long set.

You have a good point, however, I first heard the expression in Tampa Florida by Bill who owned a pool room there. He showed me this to help me cut balls razor thin.

Mike Lebron used the 'Touch of Inside' to describe what he considered Efren's "secret".

Then, on this very forum the phrase was coined again.

After these three experiences I knew it had to be called 'The Touch of Inside'.

I also concluded TOI was only for a percentage of players, and that percentage ended up being much higher than I dreamed possible.

Now thousand of players world-wide are experiencing and benefiting from the TOI Training.

It doesn't matter if they use it as much as possible or not, just going through the training will improve their perception and knowledge of the game......and develop a foundation for a life time of improvement and enjoyment.