Deal gone bad on superior cues site

I think all Pookie ever wanted is an open line of communication with someone involved in this sale, besides talking to himself.. It would seem to me that Martin would be the best person for that job if this POS Don has closed off all communication.. I also think that is all Pookie ever wanted short of a refund... Anything but ignored!
 
I think all Pookie ever wanted is an open line of communication with someone involved in this sale, besides talking to himself.. It would seem to me that Martin would be the best person for that job if this POS Don has closed off all communication.. I also think that is all Pookie ever wanted short of a refund... Anything but ignored!

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is quite reasonable.
 
Don - I'm sure you are probably reading all of this. MAN UP AND GIVE POOKSTER HIS MONEY BACK - YOU TURD!!!

No sh it! Please post this turd's phone number, e mail, last name, facebook, home address, etc. and let the good folk of az bbq this fool.
 
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Don is showing that he not only cares nothing for his own reputation - he is showing that he has no respect or value of Martin's. He should have given a refund just out of concern for how this situation makes Martin look. He really is showing his colors.
 
If you buy a car listed in the want ads and its junk you surely cannot sue the publication. Because no one would post car ads. Saying he felt safe because it was on a cue site and he was buying a cue, maybe true, but if there was a disclaimer, then it is on HIM. Also his "pre" purchase questions went through Don, not Martin. Showing further proof he KNEW who he was dealing with, prior to the purchase.

Martin's only fault in this is he went against his own new cue only policy. I bet he doesn't do it again.

JV

What happens if I buy a car from a very reputable car dealer, been in business 25 years, and everyone knows they are stand up, but they advertised the car online to bring me into his store? I buy car from the "3rd party" but the car was not as advertised after I get it home, told me it was a V6, but I wanted a V8. Yep, the store should stand up and help me out.

Martin did NONE of that. Didn't even bother to call Don until days later and only because he was taking flak here. And that is according to Kick Chicken, so we don't even know if that is true. Then Martin lied about harassing text messages, and refuses to present the texts, I wonder why.

Who would lie about harassing text messages from a customer just save his own skin,,, hmmmm, I know they have a name for folks like that,,, Martin had a reasonable defense, but failing to assist was strike one, then lying about the text messages was strike two, and then lying about actually speaking with Don days later was strike three.
 
JFTR.. Pookster was flat out misled. He is owed money and in a perfect word Don would say my bad, and refund the money. But the issue is with Don, those who dislike cue dealers, and just want to see Martin get screwed, should get over it and aim the blame to the right party.

JV


I agree 100%. Don is the one who owes Pookster his money back. That being said, Martin should have done all he could to make Don pay or take the cue back by calling Don up and explaining how bad it makes both of them look and that he will not deal with Don ever again, AND let the AZ forum know he did this. Instead he buried his head in the sand(unless we are missing something) and told everyone it aint his issue.
 
A car dealer is not going to show a 3rd party car. I know of none that will so that with the car being off site. Now if the CAR DEALER made the mistake then yes, they owe you.

I respectfully disagree with the assertion that Martin has to be a mediator on a private sale, just because the "ad" was posted on his site. I am sorry, that is not his problem. If there was no disclaimer, then you might have a little argument. But even then, unless Pookie thought Don was an employee or agent of Superior cues, it would be very thin. From my understanding Pookie knew it was Don's cue, and that he was dealing with Don.

Just because Martin is not showing private texts does not mean they did not occur. How do you know pookie didn't put in the weight bolt to get out from under the cue? The point is, you do not. You are just making assumptions.

The only facts that are known, are pookie paid Don for a cue and was misled. Misled by Don, not Martin. The person to make this right, is Don.

But to play devils advocate, what if Martin intervened and Don still didn't pay Pookie? Would this change any opinion stated here? I don't think it would, he still would have came here and Martin would still be at "fault".

JV

What happens if I buy a car from a very reputable car dealer, been in business 25 years, and everyone knows they are stand up, but they advertised the car online to bring me into his store? I buy car from the "3rd party" but the car was not as advertised after I get it home, told me it was a V6, but I wanted a V8. Yep, the store should stand up and help me out.

Martin did NONE of that. Didn't even bother to call Don until days later and only because he was taking flak here. And that is according to Kick Chicken, so we don't even know if that is true. Then Martin lied about harassing text messages, and refuses to present the texts, I wonder why.

Who would lie about harassing text messages from a customer just save his own skin,,, hmmmm, I know they have a name for folks like that,,, Martin had a reasonable defense, but failing to assist was strike one, then lying about the text messages was strike two, and then lying about actually speaking with Don days later was strike three.
 
Don is showing that he not only cares nothing for his own reputation - he is showing that he has no respect or value of Martin's. He should have given a refund just out of concern for how this situation makes Martin look. He really is showing his colors.

This I agree with 100%. If I had a friend like Don, his 1200 dollar cue might cost him a trip to the dentist.

JV
 
The private marina where I keep my boat has a bulletin board listing boats, and slips for sale. It's common sense that all dealings are between the 2 parties...it simply goes without saying. period.
 
You have a better chance of getting a free ride from one of those Ho[s on Lamar than than a free listing on his site. He was making a profit some way. I had one deal with him and no more.
 
I have just read this entire thread.

There are people I respect on both sides of this issue.

To me, there are some very troubling aspects to this deal.

imo, first and foremost is that Pookster received a cue that was inaccurately described and, as such, he is entitled to a refund. All of the commentary about how odd it is for him to be so fixated over whether or not there is a weight bolt is not relevant to the central issue.

He deserves a refund.

However, another big consideration is who is really responsible (or at fault).

If Martin had a clear disclaimer on his website stating that this cue was his customer Don's, and that any dealings pertaining to this particular cue would be between any potential buyer and Don, and that he (Martin) would not be a part of any such deal, then how could that not remove Martin from any responsibility?

If I'm on that sight and read that disclaimer, I know 100% that if I contact Don and do a deal, it's me and him, period!

I don't blame Pookster one bit for being angry and upset but his issue is with Don, the seller.

There has been a lot of speculation over Martin and Don's relationship and whether or not Don's selling this cue would open the door for him to buy another cue from Martin; guys, please, this is just guessing.

Worse than that, imo, are the few posts where guys are saying they don't remember the details but believe there was a previous incident where Martin did wrong.

If you are going to publicly slam a man who makes his living selling cues, you should be absolutely certain about a previous bad deal you think he did and include those details. To do otherwise is patently unfair, don't you agree?

And this leads me directly into my next point.

If Pookster read the clear disclaimer on Martin's website stating that Martin would not be a part of his customer Don's cue sale, then was it fair for Pookster to start this thread stating he got a bad deal on Superior Cues?

And I guess, to boil it all down to the most simplistic form, shouldn't Martin, who has an over 200 all positive iTrader, be afforded the benefit of the doubt when it comes to all the wild speculations over possible future deals, commissions, and all other potential ulterior motives?

Can't it just as easily be possible that Martin was simply doing a favor for a customer by hosting a picture of his cue that the guy was trying to sell?

Pookster, I think you're a good guy and Don really needs to square you away. And I agree with you that it would have been nice if Martin responded to you and even tried to contact Don on your behalf to see if that might help, even though he was under no obligation to do so (remember, disclaimer).

Being the fair guy you are, Pookster, maybe it would be nice if you backed off of Martin and do no further harm toward his and his company's rep.

And we can all turn our focus back on Don, where it belongs, to help you get back your refund and send the cue back to Don. :)

best,
brian kc

He did get a bad deal on Superior Cues, whether it's Martins fault or not. Martin did allow someone to sale a cue on his website, so that puts him in this mess right there. If he didn't want in this mess, he should not of allowed a product he knew nothing about to be sold. Nothing good could ever come from that.

And why would you say "if pooky read the clear disclaimer", how do you know there was one?
 
ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE looking for a product on Martins site, superior cues, contact me thru PM. If I can get it cheaper, you can have it at my cost. I have numerous pool related sponsors for running a tour for years in Texas.

I will do any and everything to beat Martins prices for screwing POOKY and not taking care of business like he should have.
 
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Yes, I am going there. Why should I assist? Take a trade in, why? I am not involved in the deal. I am not in the business of bailing people out, you want a bail out call Obama.

OH yes, I have a policies page. Very clearly written out. If I list consignment, I have to have the cue in my possession, however Martin was not a consigner, he acted just as a community bulletin board.

Pookster's issue is with Don, not Martin. If you buy a car listed in the want ads and its junk you surely cannot sue the publication. Because no one would post car ads. Saying he felt safe because it was on a cue site and he was buying a cue, maybe true, but if there was a disclaimer, then it is on HIM. Also his "pre" purchase questions went through Don, not Martin. Showing further proof he KNEW who he was dealing with, prior to the purchase.

Martin's only fault in this is he went against his own new cue only policy. I bet he doesn't do it again.

JV

How in the hell do you know Martin was not a consignor? If it didn't say so right where the cue was for sale on HIS site, then there's no way in hell anyone's going to believe that.
 
You and some of you other people are going to tell me I owe someone something if a deal goes bad, because I had an open forum to enhance and give people another outlet to buy, sell and trade?

If you sell just about anything on Ebay and put "No returns." in your auction it is completely meaningless and Ebay will force you to return the item if that's what the buyer desires. I wonder why that is??
 
One point a lot of guys are getting fixated on: Martin is a private dealer abd broker. He is not a public forum like a bulletin board in a lobby or the WFS.

Someone noted that a car dealer would NEVER sell a 3rd party vehicle. This is because they would absorb the liability in cae of problems. They wouldnt even let it sit on their lot.

Martin took the time to list it on his private site. He parked the cue on his lot and allowed his reputation to make it more attractive.

I dont think Martin screwed pook here, it is obviously Don's fault conpletely.

Martin still had a black eye from it with a "hands off" policy. Saying he was threatened and refusing to answer the phone is another black eye.

I hope Don makes it right. He owes Martin a couple of steakd for his eyes after he refunds pook.
 
He did get a bad deal on Superior Cues, whether it's Martins fault or not. Martin did allow someone to sale a cue on his website, so that puts him in this mess right there. If he didn't want in this mess, he should not of allowed a product he knew nothing about to be sold. Nothing good could ever come from that.

And why would you say "if pooky read the clear disclaimer", how do you know there was one?

In post #31 phil dade point blank brought up the fact that there was a disclaimer and pookster's response didn't dispute it at all. In fact, his response read like an acknowledgement where he said that he wasn't looking for Martin to give him a refund, that he just wanted him to call him back and that the lack of response really pissed him off.

best,
brian kc
 
What happens if I buy a car from a very reputable car dealer, been in business 25 years, and everyone knows they are stand up, but they advertised the car online to bring me into his store? I buy car from the "3rd party" but the car was not as advertised after I get it home, told me it was a V6, but I wanted a V8. Yep, the store should stand up and help me out.

Martin did NONE of that. Didn't even bother to call Don until days later and only because he was taking flak here. And that is according to Kick Chicken, so we don't even know if that is true. Then Martin lied about harassing text messages, and refuses to present the texts, I wonder why.

Who would lie about harassing text messages from a customer just save his own skin,,, hmmmm, I know they have a name for folks like that,,, Martin had a reasonable defense, but failing to assist was strike one, then lying about the text messages was strike two, and then lying about actually speaking with Don days later was strike three.

RJ;

just a point of clarification.

When I wrote that yesterday at 10:54 am Martin said he corresponded with Don about the Pookster cue sale, I was responding to your question about when did Martin tell me that.

So, to be clear, I don't know when it was that Martin and Don talked, just that he told me he did on a text I rec'd yesterday morning.

My sense is that they spoke much earlier about this.

Regarding your comments about text messages, maybe you can share with everyone what you know about Martin lying about the content in them.

I've asked both Pookster and Martin to post them since I think these would shed a lot of light. Pookster hasn't posted and Martin told me he has them but has no earthly idea how to post texts.

Martin is approx the same age as I am and it may be a generational thing but, I, too, have zero idea how that could be done.

To be honest, I believe both Martin (early on) and Pookster (more recently) have become fed up with this situation and this thread that they have both abandoned the ship and left all of us here to debate it into the next millennium.

best,
brian kc

best,
brian kc
 
ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE looking for a product on Martins site, superior cues, contact me thru PM. If I can get it cheaper, you can have it at my cost. I have numerous pool related sponsors for running a tour for years in Texas.

I will do any and everything to beat Dons prices for screwing POOKY and not taking care of business like he should have.

you never answered Bryan Mordt's question a few pages back where he asked if you were going to be prepared to take responsibility on any deals that come from your above offer that may go bad.

Like the standard you're placing on Martin.

best,
brian kc
 
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