Tim Scruggs box cue

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I purchased this cue from Tim Scruggs in 1998 for $2,500 and sold it in a moment of weakness a few years later. The second owner happens to be a good friend who may eventually sell it back to me.

I had a chance last night to take a few pictures of it that I thought I'd share. Everything white, except for the butt cap, is ivory and there are some thin gold rings.

Any ideas as to what a fair price would be for the cue in 2015?
 

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One more question:

Where would you go to have additional shafts made for a Scruggs with this pin?
 

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If anyone noticed that is an Acme pin.

I have a Scruggs with the same pin type, and I contacted both Bob and Leon several years ago neither had the tap required for that pin type.

Maybe this has changed since I called last.
 
Mike Webb

Mike can make you a shaft and a mandrel for when you need to have the shaft worked. That is usually when the shafts get stripped out. It will be about $300 a shaft.
It will hit just like a Scruggs when he is finished.
That pin hurts the Cue's value. With another pin $3500 at least. With the acme pin less than you paid new.
The rings are brass. Also if your shafts are stripped Mike can put a phenolic insert and thread that saving you hundreds. Tim did that too. I would repin it.
Call if you need help
Nick 850-474-0628
 
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nick serdula said:
Mike can make you a shaft and a mandrel for when you need to have the shaft worked. That is usually when the shafts get stripped out. It will be about $300 a shaft.
It will hit just like a Scruggs when he is finished.
That pin hurts the Cue's value. With another pin $3500 at least. With the acme pin less than you paid new.
The rings are brass. Also if your shafts are stripped Mike can put a phenolic insert and thread that saving you hundreds. Tim did that too. I would repin it.
Nick
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You wanted only cheap that Cue, it's more word as he paid for and you know that :wink:
Have nothing to do with the pin.
 
snowmon34 said:
Leon Sly, or Bob Frey
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Bob Frey worked with Tim for many years and depending on the year it was made,may have even had a hand in building this cue.Scruggs experts would know (Nick Serdula).Any way definitely follow Nick's advice.Very pretty cue and good luck with it.I would add that the resale value really depends on the market at the time of sale,but it should be worth what you paid,give or take.
Marc
 
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Hello

Bob will refuse.
He would maybe repin the Cue and make new shafts. It would be near $1,200.00 for the work unless you went back with a steel joint saving $300-$400.
But repinning a TS Cue isn't something to go about lightly. The glue melts about 25 degrees lower than the wood burns up. He might refuse that job also.
Mike Webb is an easy low dollar fix to a can of worms. With a mandrel and phenolic threads stripping problems are less likely.
And that is what Tim and Mike did unless they chose to repin the Cue. Takes about 10 minuites with a good tourch. They were repinning them and I mentioned to Mike they could just insert phenolic. He said they didn't like to do that. I would insert with brown phenolic. Fantastic hit.
Been there. Done that.
Nick
 
Chances are if it hasn't been cross threaded by now, it likely won't. The phenolic insert is what Mike did to many that came back to the shop cross threaded. I would not modify it in any way, and I think 3500 is reasonable regardless of the pin. It is a fine, original cue, and I would try to keep it that way.

When I inquired about mine, i wanted to have another shaft made, to play with and keep the originals...original.

I have my sources too.
 
Funny, Tim never mentioned that you were the one who suggested that they should just insert phenolic. He did tell me who they talked to about it, but it wasn't your name he mentioned.

nick serdula said:
Bob will refuse.
He would maybe repin the Cue and make new shafts. It would be near $1,200.00 for the work unless you went back with a steel joint saving $300-$400.
But repinning a TS Cue isn't something to go about lightly. The glue melts about 25 degrees lower than the wood burns up. He might refuse that job also.
Mike Webb is an easy low dollar fix to a can of worms. With a mandrel and phenolic threads stripping problems are less likely.
And that is what Tim and Mike did unless they chose to repin the Cue. Takes about 10 minuites with a good tourch. They were repinning them and I mentioned to Mike they could just insert phenolic. He said they didn't like to do that. I would insert with brown phenolic. Fantastic hit.
Been there. Done that.
Nick
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Tony_in_MD said:
Funny, Tim never mentioned that you were the one who suggested that they should just insert phenolic. He did tell me who they talked to about it, but it wasn't your name he mentioned.
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Funny.. Nick never said that he was "The One" that originally suggested it which is what you are inferring.. What he DID say is he suggested it, and Mike's response indicated that he had already been down that road and didn't like to do it.. A big difference IMO.. Just Sayin...
 
What I know of this matter on speaking to Tim directly.

Phenolic inserts were used, after a talk with another cue maker. Nicks name never came into the conversation. Tim did not say that Nick suggested it. But please correct me if I am wrong. For your info I did his website for years, and was at his shop nearly every Saturday from 1991 until it closed. I do have some experience and first hand knowledge.

Also, not every cue with the acme pin needed this modification, Tim believed it only happened on some where the shaftwood was perhaps softer. As he told me if it had not happened yet on my cue, it will likely not ever happen, and i believe that for the cue displayed by the OP.

I don't insert myself in every Scruggs thread but I will call out questionable statements, Including the ridiculous assessment that Nick gave regarding the cue with the original pin.

But go ahead and believe what you want.


ToomnyQs said:
Funny.. Nick never said that he was "The One" that originally suggested it which is what you are inferring.. What he DID say is he suggested it, and Mike's response indicated that he had already been down that road and didn't like to do it.. A big difference IMO.. Just Sayin...
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My Opinion

You asked what the values is. That all depends on if your buying or selling. And there is nothing wrong with that pin. When Tim was using that pin he got in a batch of shafts at that time that ran a little soft (I would guess someone sold him red maple instead of sugar maple) and if you weren't careful you "could" cross thread it. NOT TO SAY THAT ALL THE SHAFTS WITH THAT PIN ARE A LITTLE SOFTER. There were a few before they figure out what was happening. But to be on the safe side they stopped using that pin. I have a few TS cues with that pin and have no trouble with them and see no reason to change the pin.

We all have our own opinions.
 
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