HEY! don't shoot the messenger....
(i will say that i've seen posts herein that perhaps insinuate....there are QC issues with the tightness/specs of a recent batch of MagicRacks? we were referring to the OLD/standard racks.)
One guy uses the magic rack - Everyone else the wooden rack
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HEY! don't shoot the messenger....
(i will say that i've seen posts herein that perhaps insinuate....there are QC issues with the tightness/specs of a recent batch of MagicRacks? we were referring to the OLD/standard racks.)
Russ,
I agree with you, the Magic Rack should not have been allowed if you objected unless it was stated ahead of time by the tournament director otherwise. The person that brought the MR with them was using it every match and had the benefit of knowing and experiencing exactly how he had to break that equipment to get the best results. You did not.
I believe in fairness for all during tournaments and this is an unfair advantage for the individual, in my opinion, because he/she is the only one using it during all matches. (I can't believe I'm agreeing w/the short bus, but I am?????)
Dave
I agree with you, the Magic Rack should not have been allowed if you objected unless it was stated ahead of time by the tournament director otherwise. The person that brought the MR with them was using it every match and had the benefit of knowing and experiencing exactly how he had to break that equipment to get the best results. You did not.
I believe in fairness for all during tournaments and this is an unfair advantage for the individual, in my opinion, because he/she is the only one using it during all matches. (I can't believe I'm agreeing w/the short bus, but I am?????)
Dave
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Well sometimes we just need an excuse to lose.
He's still correct that the TD made the wrong call. Magic rack is not standard equipment. Each opponent you play has to allow it's use.
I'd straight refuse. If a player practices with MR it's to their advantage. Also MR traps the money ball and leaves it near the footspot. Thereby creating a lot of dead combos. I'm not a fan because it changes the game so much.
I'll be down Friday night. If it is possibly a long gambling session, I prefer to start it on a Friday/Saturday.
I prefer One Pocket. It really illustrates a player's knowledge/lack of. $20.00 to $50.00 a game.
Short Bus Russ
I think the issue is that with the wooden rack, OP had the advantage. Either he felt that his break is more powerful to create better spread under less ideal conditions (gaps between the balls), or he could deal with clusters better.
So if you can spread the balls better than someone, or deal with problems better, I can see how a little bit of plastic taking away that edge would be annoying.
Also, the magic rack might require a different break than he'd been using all tournament to great success. So one guy has had all tournament and longer to know how the magic rack breaks, and one guys has had all tournament to figure out the less ideal wooden rack. Even if he switches to the magic rack, it's still a scenario where one person has to adapt, and the other person doesn't.
Example: Lets say you have to smash the wooden rack to get a good spread, and the magic rack requires a softer break. If you used the same break on the magic rack, as you would have on the wooden rack, I can see having the balls spread than re-cluster. Sometimes there's that perfect speed that get's everything to spread and everything after that, causes the balls to bounce back towards the center.
No, it is not provided in the BCAPL or USAPL 8-ball events. If used in the 8-ball events, it is optional and if you want to use it you bring your own. The extraction from the Tournament Regulations you provided says it all. EITHER the table rack or the Magic Rack. Bring your own Magic Rack and use it if you like, as long as you announce it before the match. The tournament desk does not provide 8-ball racks.
(Emphasis added)
Edit: BTW, the Morra/Duel 8-Ball final match at Lincoln City is a perfect example - one using the Magick Ball Rack, one not.
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He's a C player like I'm 96lbs...
Which question? The question here was if a player wanted to use the Magic Rack that was not provided by the tournament or pool room during the tournament, if the other player said no, can the director overrule that, or rather SHOULD he.
So here is the tournament specifically endorsing using the Magic Rack. This is NOT what happened in the issue at hand. This is my whole point with the CSI comparison, which this tournament was NOT. Or did I miss somewhere that this was a CSI event and they said to use the Magic Rack or that you had to let your opponent use one?
If I was complaining that some car in a race had an engine too large, would you bring out examples from large engines in other racing classes? Well sure your F1 car had a engine .2 liters over max, but NASCAR allows engines much larger, so it's OK here also then.
If the rack falls under legal specks, which the magic rack now does, then the ref has no authority to say one can't use it anymore than he has the authority to state which brand chalk, what tip, cue, jump cue, glove, or bridge one can use.
What happens when one guy objects to the wooden rack (which just might be a piece of firewood)?
That would take away the advantage of the players who have perfected their racking gaffs. Wouldn't that be unfair?
Now we have the voice of reason, Bob Jewett, in the discussion. I like it.
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Perfectly said. I would add, neither can your opponent.
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It was a 23 player local hacker event. Who gives a flying crap. People are quoting the governing body sanctioning procedures and the bylaws of this and that. You guys are acting like this is an Olympic event. And another question, why does a 23 player event need a "Tournament Director". I bet Joe the local Tournament Director, who is a journeyman Electrician from the local union hall printed a double elim bracket off of google.
SMH
SMH
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Comes accross pretty arrogantly. I've known a few "journeymen electrician" who play pretty well, and are smart enough to run a good tourney. Can you believe that! I know it's such a shock.