General thoughts on this CNC?

pescadoman said:
http://xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm

Tell George Randy sent you

4k get's you everything but the wires, computer, and t-slot. I've seen this in person and it is very well made.
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This is basically the machine I use for inlay parts. Mine is the wide version I bought a couple of years ago. It's got 2 NSK's with ATC, and a double vacuum hold down plate.

I didn't get the screws with it, but probably should have. They are classified as zero backlash, but they're rolled and not ground. Apparently, the technology has developed well enough to get < .0006" backlash with rolled screws. I think that's the standard for "Zero Backlash" these days. Most machines have that much just in the bearing end play, so 6 tenths isn't a problem at all.

They're pretty good machines. Dealing with George can be difficult. I attempted to order the ball screws for mine at a later date. 3 times he told me they were on order, but they never showed. He finally just stopped responding to me so I'm looking elsewhere for the screws. They're actually pretty common these days.


Royce
 
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Thanks
Jim
 
George said he registered here, but cannot post yet. Hopefully he can answer some questions, including Royce's.
 
my little 22x48 raptor x zero tapering set up .....what a very nice machine from George.
i'm in line for a new two headed monster 12x40

 
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Bishop said:
I've personally seen inlays cut with that CNC and they're nothing like what you're alluding to. Nobody's putting out pens with nasty gluelines. Bill's an experienced cue maker. He knows the difference between a quality inlay and slop.
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True ... if someone told me a few months ago that I could get a CNC machine capable of doing inlays this precise for under $850 complete ...I would have doubted it also ... so I dont blame others for doubting it.
I judge this machine on its results not the price or where it comes from or who is touting it.
Bottom line ...The results I am getting is pro quality.

Willee
 

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JoeyInCali said:
Does it have enough Z clearance for a Taig lathe ( tapering ) and 5-c Collet indexer ?

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Willee, an $800 CNC might be good for pens with nasty glue lines in the inlays, might be so for custom cues .
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Joey ... please ... I have been doing cues for long enough to judge the quality of inlays.
At least you could have examined one of my pens inlayed with this $800 machine before you assumed it had "nasty glue lines" but here on AZ that is the way people do things.
ANYONE that has seen my cues or pens would never say something like that about my inlay work. It might be ugly but it is tight!

But ... I forgive you Joey ... no harm no foul.

Willee
 

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RBC said:
This is basically the machine I use for inlay parts. Mine is the wide version I bought a couple of years ago. It's got 2 NSK's with ATC, and a double vacuum hold down plate.

I didn't get the screws with it, but probably should have. They are classified as zero backlash, but they're rolled and not ground. Apparently, the technology has developed well enough to get < .0006" backlash with rolled screws. I think that's the standard for "Zero Backlash" these days. Most machines have that much just in the bearing end play, so 6 tenths isn't a problem at all.

They're pretty good machines. Dealing with George can be difficult. I attempted to order the ball screws for mine at a later date. 3 times he told me they were on order, but they never showed. He finally just stopped responding to me so I'm looking elsewhere for the screws. They're actually pretty common these days.


Royce
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I sent email for you to send me pictures of the bearing houses i sent you with machine and when will you be sending payment. Never got an email back or heard from you Because you where using acme screw i remember sending you all closed end housings which don't work same way on ballscrew.

On rolled ballscrews , by saying they are all the same , is like saying pool cue with sticker as inlay is same as machining in the inlay.
China rolled screw do not compare to Taiwan or Japan rolled.
China ground screws don't even compare Taiwan rolled screw.

Ballscrew on Raptors or any of them with upgrade is .00001 , stock ones are .0001
In China, .0006 is just on paper , not tested to each ballscrew.
Upgraded ballscrews on machines are rolled and ground Finnish

You wont find a china ballscrew work like on in video below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vEtAwySvgc
 
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MVPCues said:
The web site is sparse regarding the Predator and Demon. Is there somewhere online to see pricing specs for those lines?
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That info will be up shortly, Demon and Predator i did not make for awhile. Hard enough time just keeping up with Raptor machines .
 
LGSM3 said:
No, for me the faster the better. The problem is that with steppers you lose resolution with faster pitch. The bright side is that the faster the screw, the slower the motor has to turn so it stays in a much higher torque range.
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Even with fine 5mm pitch you will still get fast rapids, 400ipm . with 10mm pitch 700ipm
and 25 pitch 1300 to 4500ipm

Steppers if not over pushing them , they will not lose resolution, If they are high quality motors. its more the controller will not keep up because of high stepping setting
 
RBC said:
This is basically the machine I use for inlay parts. Mine is the wide version I bought a couple of years ago. It's got 2 NSK's with ATC, and a double vacuum hold down plate.

I didn't get the screws with it, but probably should have. They are classified as zero backlash, but they're rolled and not ground. Apparently, the technology has developed well enough to get < .0006" backlash with rolled screws. I think that's the standard for "Zero Backlash" these days. Most machines have that much just in the bearing end play, so 6 tenths isn't a problem at all.

They're pretty good machines. Dealing with George can be difficult. I attempted to order the ball screws for mine at a later date. 3 times he told me they were on order, but they never showed. He finally just stopped responding to me so I'm looking elsewhere for the screws. They're actually pretty common these days.


Royce
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I had also email you about month and a half ago about new small machine 12 wide for pool cues,Never got reply back also

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gio-XZero said:
I sent email for you to send me pictures of the bearing houses i sent you with machine and when will you be sending payment. Never got an email back or heard from you Because you where using acme screw i remember sending you all closed end housings which don't work same way on ballscrew.

On rolled ballscrews , by saying they are all the same , is like saying pool cue with sticker as inlay is same as machining in the inlay.
China rolled screw do not compare to Taiwan or Japan rolled.
China ground screws don't even compare Taiwan rolled screw.

Ballscrew on Raptors or any of them with upgrade is .00001 , stock ones are .0001
In China, .0006 is just on paper , not tested to each ballscrew.
Upgraded ballscrews on machines are rolled and ground Finnish

You wont find a china ballscrew work like on in video below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vEtAwySvgc
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George

Good to see you here. I've recommended your machine to several cuemakers. It's doing very well for us.

I don't know where the breakdown is in our email communications, but the last email I received was dated 8-6-14 and you said that they were on their way from Taiwan. I sent another reply to it just this morning, so let me know if you don't see it. My email is rbunnell@obcues.com.

As for the fit, I used all your normal mountings for the machine. I adapted my screws to them so you should not need to do any special machining. I did originally request 5mm pitch on the screws, but chose later to go with the 10mm pitch because the 5mm was more of a special order for you.

I would still like the screws from you, so please let me know if you don't receive my email sent this morning.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

Thanks

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
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Here's a picture of mine as it currently sits.

I have 2 NSK's with ATC on it with vacuum plates for our inlay slabs. (2x24)

I haven't setup the full automated tool change on this one yet, but hope to get to it this summer.


Royce
 

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Since I'm in the posting pictures mood, Here's a link to my inlay pocket machine doing automated tool changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scZmBhma3fU

I built this machine from scratch. It's a good solid machine, but when I needed another one, I bought the Xzero. I think they're both more than capable of all that we need to do and more, but it's a lot less work to just buy one than build one.

As I said earlier, I hope to have automated tool changes on the 2 spindle Xzero sometime in the summer.


Royce
 
RBC said:
Since I'm in the posting pictures mood, Here's a link to my inlay pocket machine doing automated tool changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scZmBhma3fU

I built this machine from scratch. It's a good solid machine, but when I needed another one, I bought the Xzero. I think they're both more than capable of all that we need to do and more, but it's a lot less work to just buy one than build one.

As I said earlier, I hope to have automated tool changes on the 2 spindle Xzero sometime in the summer.


Royce
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I hate you:).

Dale
 
gio-XZero said:
Even with fine 5mm pitch you will still get fast rapids, 400ipm . with 10mm pitch 700ipm
and 25 pitch 1300 to 4500ipm

Steppers if not over pushing them , they will not lose resolution, If they are high quality motors. its more the controller will not keep up because of high stepping setting
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Hi George, welcome to the forum.

I'm wondering how torque or lack there of, and quality of motor has any relation to resolution and how resolution can be lost if its already had?
 
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