The second ball break works well when you hit them firmly, too. Just require balls to pass the headstring, like in 9 ball.
Controversy over Corey Deuel break
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The second ball break works well when you hit them firmly, too. Just require balls to pass the headstring, like in 9 ball.
Anyone who plays competitive 14.1 knows that shot. They also know that it's a low percentage shot, which is why you don't see it used in competition.
Corey's logic is that his hard break isn't working and he winds up opening the rack for his opponent every time. So he choses a two-way break. If he makes the end ball, he is willing to accept that he still has work to do to get out. But if he misses, at least he hasn't handed over an open rack to his opponent.
He's probably also counting on his opponent's surprised and angry reaction to his break, giving Corey the mental edge.
It's creative, but it's not how the break was intended in 8 Ball. Plus, soft breaks can double the length of a match, creating a scheduling nightmare.
It shouldn't be allowed. If other players are making a ball on the break and he isn't, then he should practice his break.
Corey's logic is that his hard break isn't working and he winds up opening the rack for his opponent every time. So he choses a two-way break. If he makes the end ball, he is willing to accept that he still has work to do to get out. But if he misses, at least he hasn't handed over an open rack to his opponent.
He's probably also counting on his opponent's surprised and angry reaction to his break, giving Corey the mental edge.
It's creative, but it's not how the break was intended in 8 Ball. Plus, soft breaks can double the length of a match, creating a scheduling nightmare.
It shouldn't be allowed. If other players are making a ball on the break and he isn't, then he should practice his break.
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He's pattern racking groups, in this case. Always solids and always stripes in the same spots, or flip them. Guarantees the best shot at the same runout each time
Straight pool players have known about this shot since the dawn of time. In fact, Mosconi would occasionally use it to start off an exhibition match to give his opponent a running start. IOW it's not a hanger.
Mosconi would also occasionally use the one where you call the head ball into the side pocket opposite from the side you placed the CB.
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Mosconi would also occasionally use the one where you call the head ball into the side pocket opposite from the side you placed the CB.
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I don't see an advantage if the goal is to run out. He has clusters on every rack. For me the best 8 ball break is to drive the head ball up table to the head short rail.
I've seen Hunter make it ten times in a row. I have made it 5 times in a row. Same with the corner ball, if you don't know how to do it, you won't make it. The more you practice it, the better you get at it. It has nothing to do with twisting the rack.
They're winey little belly achers like you if they cry about it. People break 2nd or 3rd ball playing 8 ball all the time. What's the difference. Games change and evolve with ideas from open minded people like Cory. Anybody that can play knows the break is one of the most important parts of the games. Guys like Cory and svb have put the time in to master it. Make it against the rules if its bad ... Until I suggest the other pros learn it and stop wining.
If it's a legal break per the rules of that specific tournament, then what's the issue? It would seem like anyone could have seen what he was doing and being successful with and then gone on to utilize it themselves.
I've met Corey and he's a very intelligent man when it comes to the game of pool - if he came up with this as a way to win and tilt the odds in his favor, then kudos to him.
This isn't a hobby to him - it's his livelihood, what's wrong with gaining a legal, competitive advantage?
Having said that, if I was on the receiving end of it and couldn't replicate it when it was my turn to break, I can't imagine that I'd be too happy but since it's legal in this event, I'd have no choice but to try and figure out a way to overcome it.
I've met Corey and he's a very intelligent man when it comes to the game of pool - if he came up with this as a way to win and tilt the odds in his favor, then kudos to him.
This isn't a hobby to him - it's his livelihood, what's wrong with gaining a legal, competitive advantage?
Having said that, if I was on the receiving end of it and couldn't replicate it when it was my turn to break, I can't imagine that I'd be too happy but since it's legal in this event, I'd have no choice but to try and figure out a way to overcome it.
I Personally don't think there is anything wrong with the break. The pattern Racking so that all of one group comes off the pile is wrong. Maybe the rules should include a racking pattern that we must all follow then it doesn't matter how you hit them. This could be for all games.
None, I believe. He is a friggin pool genius and when he gets an idea About something, he tests it.
Check out some of the csi us open one pocket videos wher he does commentary. He does one with frost/ incardona and he repeatedly says he would try a few shots 'just to see if it goes'.
I think the continued discovery helps him to maintain interest in the game, something that -IMO- he has not displayed in large amounts since around 2001-2.
Look again, and you'll see only one group (solids or stripes) has clusters. The rest are wide open for the most part.
Evidently, Corey's break has a common denominator, losers cry about it after they lose.
What was a great moment was what I saw of Corey's break in 1 pocket at the expo. I can't even describe what happened but the reaction it got was great. Earl just losti, and Corey was playing one pocket on the next table. Earl was upset that he lost to a bipper and he was just sitting down to watch, Corey did this break and all I see is the cue ball does some pure craziness goes two rails and back into rack, smashes the rack and stiffs the guy.
More entertaining then this CRAZY break was the simultaneous reaction. His opponent in sneakers, T shift and with huge beer belly starts crying shaking his head and starts pouting. Earl just starts to smile and laugh says something to Corey who has the biggest ear to ear smile on his face as his opponent starts a minor hissy fit. Corey and Earls reaction made the moment!
What was a great moment was what I saw of Corey's break in 1 pocket at the expo. I can't even describe what happened but the reaction it got was great. Earl just losti, and Corey was playing one pocket on the next table. Earl was upset that he lost to a bipper and he was just sitting down to watch, Corey did this break and all I see is the cue ball does some pure craziness goes two rails and back into rack, smashes the rack and stiffs the guy.
More entertaining then this CRAZY break was the simultaneous reaction. His opponent in sneakers, T shift and with huge beer belly starts crying shaking his head and starts pouting. Earl just starts to smile and laugh says something to Corey who has the biggest ear to ear smile on his face as his opponent starts a minor hissy fit. Corey and Earls reaction made the moment!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjNi1hpYTqQ
I disagree. The only advantage is Corey stays at the table, and that isn't guaranteed because that shot isn't automatic.
I agree 1000%.
That is correct ,, and I find it comical that some think there's a mythical reverence of intent to the rules ,, the intent is to make a ball on the break with the cue hitting the cueball and the cueball hitting a object ball ,, pretty simple to understand the intent there
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