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Here's the video that Ronnie refers to hitting with the elbow.

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Quick to clarify about hitting with the elbow? Are you kidding me? Did you even watch the video where Ronnie teaches it? Ronnie was advocating a (are you sitting down?) PENDULUM stroke! Strange how you are so quick to defend the nonsense on here.
That's you post about the elbow thing.

ENGLISH! - I know what video was brought up.

As I said, I don't know if those were the words of Mr. O'Sullivan to which CJ was referring or not.

When it was brought up, CJ quickly clarified that he was not speaking literally.

I think the general readership is intelligent enough to know that CJ was not speaking literally.

I also think that they are intelligent enough to see a 'witch hunt' when they see one.
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Here's the video that Ronnie refers to hitting with the elbow....this, of course, isn't literal, it's how he starts the forward movement of the cue.....I've shared this with several players and they have liked it, just like tips I've shared from a variety of champions. The statement is right about 5:00


 
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Here is a post on 4-9-15, that CJ made to Ralph Kramden, in the Dropping the Elbow thread about Mr. O'Sullivan's 'thinking' about the elbow & the related keeping it out in front & the related "This isn't literal' disclaimer comment.

Ronnie O'Sullivan thinks of hitting the cue ball with his elbow.....many people can benefit from trying this technique, it works for me and many I've suggested it to over the last year.

All sports I've participated in require a precise elbow movement (golf, tennis, baseball, basketball). I've found that many players don't know how to position their elbow in FRONT of their body properly. The pool stroke is so much easier when there's an attempt to keep it in front of your line of sight. This isn't literal, however, I do get the sensation that I'm shooting "out of my chest" (or the center of my body).



On 4-13-15 CJ made this follow up post to TonytheTiger in the Dropping the Elbow thread:

When you think of "hitting with your elbow" it does two postive things.

First, it keeps your arm, wrist and fingers together as more of a unit, so they stay in sync.

Second, it help the player from "jumping" on the forward stroke after they pause. Pausing, is what we call "The Gathering of the Shot," which helps control the cue's speed, thus the cue ball's reaction (essential to control the cue ball for more effective position play)

Whether the elbow drops or not not relevant to the outcome of the shot and is best allowed to naturally happen. The player's body type, especially the shape of their hand, wrist, and forearm determine what their elbow does before and after contact.

We were not put on this earth to perform the pool stroke, so it's important to understand the kineseology of the motion, and how it fits the players individual style and preference
 
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Thanks for all the great info CJ.... Seems like their is someone on here that may not like you and have went out their way posting a bunch of old PM's and stuff trying to make you look bad, but in reality, they end up looking very childish and bitter about the great success you have had as a pool player.

This is typical of someone that can't do, they attack the messenger.....
 
tashworth19191 said:
Thanks for all the great info CJ.... Seems like their is someone on here that may not like you and have went out their way posting a bunch of old PM's and stuff trying to make you look bad, but in reality, they end up looking very childish and bitter about the great success you have had as a pool player.

This is typical of someone that can't do, they attack the messenger.....
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Funny, that is exactly what you are doing here. Attacking the messenger, and not paying any attention to the content of the message. Why would anyone be bitter about his past success as a player? That doesn't even make any sense.:rolleyes:
 
tashworth19191 said:
Thanks for all the great info CJ.... Seems like their is someone on here that may not like you and have went out their way posting a bunch of old PM's and stuff trying to make you look bad, but in reality, they end up looking very childish and bitter about the great success you have had as a pool player.

This is typical of someone that can't do, they attack the messenger.....
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tashworth19191 said:
Thanks for all the great info CJ.... Seems like their is someone on here that may not like you and have went out their way posting a bunch of old PM's and stuff trying to make you look bad, but in reality, they end up looking very childish and bitter about the great success you have had as a pool player.

This is typical of someone that can't do, they attack the messenger.....
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Well this is from someone who has been a member for all of 6 months. Maybe you missed the onslaught of overt shameless plugs for his products In the main Forum. We have a section strciklty for that but CJ repeatedly abused the rules. He felt he was above that. When called out he would simply ignore the truth and continue to abuse it. It was very off putting to members that have been here for 10 years plus.

He his pushing a product and when TOI first came out it was very in your face in the Main forum. I have never said anything negative about his material but some members bow down to him like he is the messiah but EVERY top instructor that I have spoken with (many past touring pros) feel very differently about his content. If it works for you great.

Pro or no pro, when someone abuses the rules, is pushy and feels so above and entitled that he can ignore any statement of truth and fact that goes against what he says .

Another pro that "we sent away" that no longer posts here is John Schmidt. Well that's because he pretty much called all idiots. I don't think a golf pro trying to sell a dvd would act in this way on a golf forum. Respect is earned. CJs title stands but his personalitly has been measured and is given the respect or lack there of based on it.

Ok so you want proof? Here is a post from the heart of it all
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4529466&postcount=140


Here CJ: The last 8 out of 10 threads you started in the main forum were just plugs. I don't care if you are honest with your self or not, I don't have to live with you. But don't insult our intelligence with BS. Thank you.
The ones related to your items or the million dollar challenge are in bold.


1) Pro Player Max Eberle recalls....
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=346832
2) Jay Helfert Million $ tD
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=346921
3) Joe Rogan thread
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=346335
4) Mosconi cup - ok this one is not about something that happened in 1996
5)Looking Back on Billiards - Was the $1,000,000 Challenge Pro Pool's BIG Chance???
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=344928
6)Rodney Morris challenge - ok not this one
7) Jay Helfert - 'The Million Dollar Tournament Director"
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=343668
8)Jimmy Mataya - Great Pool Commentator, or the Greatest of All Time?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=343601
9)Pool's "Million Dollar Miracle" Documentary Coming Soon - The Untold Story
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=343490
10)Holiday Special on DVDs 50% OFF and the "29 Balls in One Pocket Cue"
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=34349


I'm glad you have an opinion but you must consider that you don't know what you don't know. Welcome to the forum though
 
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CJ Wiley said:
Yes, I set my right foot behind the line of the shot, usually aligned with my ankle bone. Pool is a two sided game, however, both sides need to provide an adequate structure.

My main objective is to get my vision square to the the line, and set my body from there. It's like shooting a pistol, I want to see the line of the target naturally, then get my cue in front of my body so I can come down as centered as possible. This movement requires "clearing the hips," making sure they are controlling the head's movement, not the other way around.

Tonight I had some issues with this because I changed my workout routine and lifted some light weights. I thought it wouldn't make a difference, and was wrong. No big deal, I'll adjust this and get back on track. It's nice to move forward every day, however, there are some times that it's necessary to step back and evaluate....this is one of those days. 'The Game is my Teacher'
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I use my instep as a guide on my right foot. What does the other foot do for your alignment? I usually have mine slightly closed to the shot line.

I'm starting to lift again after an injury. It'll be a good opportunity to monitor my pool game since I'm not going too fast and too heavy. I lost a couple of pounds in the layoff, so I'll monitor that, too.

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
I use my instep as a guide on my right foot. What does the other foot do for your alignment? I usually have mine slightly closed to the shot line.

I'm starting to lift again after an injury. It'll be a good opportunity to monitor my pool game since I'm not going too fast and too heavy. I lost a couple of pounds in the layoff, so I'll monitor that, too.

Best,
Mike
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I'm right-handed and I, like you, use my instep or ball of my right foot and place it on the shot line unless circumstances won't allow it.

Sometimes, I find my cue too close to my right hip and I move my left foot to the left to pull my body away from the cue, giving some clearance.

Occasionally I line up my right foot and left foot too close together and have to make a physical effort to spread my feet further apart in order to have what I feel is a comfortable lane for my cue to move in.

Each of us has different body types and this type of thing is easily different for each of us. Precision comfort tailored for the shot is the key, imo.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I'm right-handed and I, like you, use my instep or ball of my right foot and place it on the shot line unless circumstances won't allow it.

Sometimes, I find my cue too close to my right hip and I move my left foot to the left to pull my body away from the cue, giving some clearance.

Occasionally I line up my right foot and left foot too close together and have to make a physical effort to spread my feet further apart in order to have what I feel is a comfortable lane for my cue to move in.

Each of us has different body types and this type of thing is easily different for each of us. Precision comfort tailored for the shot is the key, imo.

JoeyA
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Hi Joey,

When I've found my cue too close & a bit crammed up, I've found that just making the smallest of clockwise rotation to work better than moving the left foot & getting a bit of lateral slide.

To me, moving the left foot & that bit of lateral slide wanted to take my vision to the left with it & I wound up sort of with a slight upper body lean back the right.

I like to think of it as rotating around my vision. I know that rotating wants to turn the cue with it, but is that not the problem? The cue was crammed up & being sent off line. The slight rotation, to me, both frees it up & sets it it up better on line.

But, like you say, we all have different bodies, but you might want to give it a try the next time you have that feeling of the cue being too close to your hip.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick
 
The changes took about 3 weeks of intense practice with the willingness to change.

Mikjary said:
I use my instep as a guide on my right foot. What does the other foot do for your alignment? I usually have mine slightly closed to the shot line.

I'm starting to lift again after an injury. It'll be a good opportunity to monitor my pool game since I'm not going too fast and too heavy. I lost a couple of pounds in the layoff, so I'll monitor that, too.

Best,
Mike
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Pool is a two sided game, so the left side of the body needs to be set precisely (as possible) to the 'Line of the Shot' - this is down at the foundation, the left foot.

I was taught by a snooker coach that the left foot needs to be precisely parallel to the 'Line of the Shot' and I changed my old style to accommodate this in 1992 after my first Pro Tournament in Toronto Canada.

Although I finished 4th, with wins over Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, Jimmy Rempe, and Mike Lebron, I knew something was missing in my game...... the coach identified the root of the problem for me.....in my stance.

The changes took about 3 weeks of intense practice with the willingness to change and grow my game to it's highest potential.

I'm grateful I made that choice, my game because stronger and more consistent over the next year and led to my 'Player of the Year' nomination in 1996 by 'Pool and Billiard Magazine' - still to this day I pass along all the tips and techniques I've learned from the many great influences in my life.......and will continue to until the day I stop.

Thanks GOODNESS for snooker coaches, they truly know the fundamentals as well as anyone on earth. I also thank the many road players that showed me how to refine and develop the '3 Part Pocket System', it's the foundation of my shot-making and position system.

'The Game is my Teacher'
 
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There isn't a messenger who ever walked this earth that didn't create controversy

tashworth19191 said:
Thanks for all the great info CJ.... Seems like their is someone on here that may not like you and have went out their way posting a bunch of old PM's and stuff trying to make you look bad, but in reality, they end up looking very childish and bitter about the great success you have had as a pool player.

This is typical of someone that can't do, they attack the messenger.....
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I appreciate their hard work and diligence sorting through my thousands of posts and threads to help us out. I am just the messenger, my message comes from many players that are no longer with us, like Wade Crane, Larry Liscotti, Luther Lassiter, and many more. They may be gone, but through our words they will not be forgotten.

There isn't a messenger who ever walked this earth that didn't create controversy. It's actually a good thing in many respects, it provides emotional balance.

'The Game is our Teacher'
 
I haven't posted anything pool related since last July. ( I'll pause now and wait the applause to die down) I'm getting over my bashfullness a bit and I think pretty soon I'll walk into a pool room . It'll be the second time in my life I've been in one. Chris' Billiards in Chicago is about 8 mles away and "Red Shoes" is about 17 miles away from me. I shoot with T.O.I just the way Mr. Wiley teaches it, with the exception being that I don't go center - center, center - edge anymore. I aim for the side of the pocket and deflect it into the center. Anyhow;...........I'LL SHOW FOLKS HOW EFFECTIVE IT CAN BE!.....

Does anyone know if they'll let me bring my bicycle into Chris'?
 
I only align Center/Center or Center/Edge before I create the angle

His Boy Elroy said:
I haven't posted anything pool related since last July. ( I'll pause now and wait the applause to die down) I'm getting over my bashfullness a bit and I think pretty soon I'll walk into a pool room . It'll be the second time in my life I've been in one. Chris' Billiards in Chicago is about 8 mles away and "Red Shoes" is about 17 miles away from me. I shoot with T.O.I just the way Mr. Wiley teaches it, with the exception being that I don't go center - center, center - edge anymore. I aim for the side of the pocket and deflect it into the center. Anyhow;...........I'LL SHOW FOLKS HOW EFFECTIVE IT CAN BE!.....

Does anyone know if they'll let me bring my bicycle into Chris'?
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You use the '3 Part Pocket System' so you'll be just fine. I only align Center/Center or Center/Edge before I create the angle to make sure my mind has a solid reference point.

Play Well, and as far as I'm concerned you can bring your bicycle anytime. ;)
 
CJ Wiley said:
I appreciate their hard work and diligence sorting through my thousands of posts and threads to help us out. I am just the messenger, my message comes from many players that are no longer with us, like Wade Crane, Larry Liscotti, Luther Lassiter, and many more. They may be gone, but through our words they will not be forgotten.

There isn't a messenger who ever walked this earth that didn't create controversy. It's actually a good thing in many respects, it provides emotional balance.

'The Game is our Teacher'
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oh, man, lol. Now you're a "messenger" who deigns to walk amongst us.

Lou Figueroa
thanks for the
morning laugh
 
as usual you have things backwards

lfigueroa said:
oh, man, lol. Now you're a "messenger" who deigns to walk amongst us.

Lou Figueroa
thanks for the
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It's the least I could do for you Loucifer. ;) ..... as usual you have things backwards.
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ALL the pros do it, and they still have to have great footwork

DTL said:
We agree on a couple things......1) snooker coaches are great teachers of sound fundamentals and 2) the 2 shot push out rules should come back.

So a slight change with left foot placement took 3 weeks to learn and was the reason you went on to be POY? I got to give it you, you just shrug things off and keep on plugging!:thumbup:


DTL
and we all thought it was due to TOI
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I've never stated that it my success was "all" do to TOI.....it did help a lot though. The footwork in any sport is essential for consistency.

TOI is more like fading and drawing the golf ball.....ALL the pros do it, and they still have to have great footwork to move the ball effectively.

'The Game is my Teacher'
 
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