conical joint
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Lambros and Layani ?
Maybe you meant concave/convex face?
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Conical is a non specific cone shaped geometry.
All cues qualify.
If you meant concave / convex facing then Joey's info is correct.
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Flat faced joints would not really qualify, as a plane is a limit of a cone. A cylinder would be the other limit of a cone, so they too don't really qualify (see below).
Concave and convex are defined as curves, so I am not sure any cue joint would qualify. My Lambros ultra joint cue and any Layani cues I have seen have tapered joints, and would be what I consider a conical shape.
Cones cannot be curved as they are defined by straight lines.
Convex and concave cannot be straight as these are defined as curves. Again, there is a limit to curves and that would be a straight line, but limits are funny things and not commonly included.
Please note that I am using the term "limit" in its mathematical sense.
Dave
ElCorazonFrio
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This information is 100% incorrect. The only way it could be less correct is if you misspelled any words. You should delete this post.
I can't believe you just called out the resident genius.......
Let me guess, His response will be... I meant to say comical, not conical
Layani cues all had a conical joint.
Lambros has conical features on the Ultra Joint.
Not surprisingly, these are two of the best hitting cues I've hit with.
Freddie <~~~ late to the party
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This may be the funniest post ever! Rep to you+++
ElCorazonFrio,
Please excuse me for having an opinion and trying to be circumspect regarding information concerning cues.
Also please excuse me if I am wrong in my offerings of opinion here.
I shared a pool table at a cue show with Mike Lambros a few years ago and really was impressed with his cues. When I saw the ultra joint it appeared to me that it was a concave / convex connection geometry. Again, I could be wrong and will stand corrected if I am wrong.
So I guess the question for the knowledgable is:
Is Mike's joint conical or a convex/ concave geometry?
So there it is, either/or. Or maybe something different.
I found this link from the Blue Book describing Mike's ultra Joint. I don't know if Mike gave them the discription or not but they describe it as concave/convex.
https://bluebookofpoolcuevalues.com/Pool_Cue_Values/Pool_Cue_Manufacturer.aspx?id=LAMBROS_CUES_INC
So now we have an opportunity to find out how comical it is to find out what the truth of the matter is.
The other pic shown looks like a conical deal for sure.
You broke my heart Fredo, oh I meant Frito. I prefer the cool ranch. LOL
Rick
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Wow, Rick!! Your link makes me guess Frito wishes he could delete his post, and the same for those that applauded him. Quite funny!
ElCorazonFrio
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Words have definitions and are not subject to opinion.
I can't tell from any of the photos of the ultra joint. If it is concave/convex it is slight. I'll give you that one for the benefit of doubt.
Layani are most definitely conical.
But, you said that 'all cues qualify' when talking about conical section...which is wrong, very few joint designs are conical. Conical means 'tapered' and as such does not include anything that, well, is not tapered.
The biggest reason I posted that is because you are a loud-mouth who talks out of the incorrect orifice about things you don't know. You give your 'opinion' on matters of fact and science. You jumble up what is usually the most informative forum on the site by giving misinformation, arguing when you have been shown to be wrong and changing your story to save face.
It is disruptive and contrary to the spirit of this forum.
Good day, sir.
ElCorazonFrio
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Not in the slightest.
The only way your statement above would be true is if you are describing the outer shape of the cue itself, not the actual facing of the joint.
As to the concave/convex joint on anyone's cues, haven't seen one in person, but the definition of those words don't look to match the images of Lambros' cues that I have seen. They appear to have a conical shape. The description in your link uses those words, but I don't think it is really an actual concave/convex, just my opinion.
Pictures to show the shapes. First is concave/convex the second is conical shape.
Dave
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Bizarre...
The terms "conical" and "convex" aren't mutually exclusive.
The Layani cue joint is most certainly conical. It's a truncated cone!!! I've never heard any suggestion from Thierry that it was anything other than a linear cone.
The Ultra Joint I from Lambros, the face is most certainly conically tapered. If the butt collar face is convex (which it is), then it's a pretty shallow convex conical taper, and still conical. That's what the OP was asking for... who make's a conical joint.
The Ultra Joint II from Lambros uses a fillet step as the conical surface, so this still fits in the original poster's question of "conical joint." If the "face" is tapered, the landing is so short that to call it something other than linear is splitting hairs.
That is, for the OP, the Layani tapered joint and the Lambros Ultra Joint(s) have conical features as part of their fit geometry.
Freddie <~~~ and away we go
The terms "conical" and "convex" aren't mutually exclusive.
The Layani cue joint is most certainly conical. It's a truncated cone!!! I've never heard any suggestion from Thierry that it was anything other than a linear cone.
The Ultra Joint I from Lambros, the face is most certainly conically tapered. If the butt collar face is convex (which it is), then it's a pretty shallow convex conical taper, and still conical. That's what the OP was asking for... who make's a conical joint.
The Ultra Joint II from Lambros uses a fillet step as the conical surface, so this still fits in the original poster's question of "conical joint." If the "face" is tapered, the landing is so short that to call it something other than linear is splitting hairs.
That is, for the OP, the Layani tapered joint and the Lambros Ultra Joint(s) have conical features as part of their fit geometry.
Freddie <~~~ and away we go
Dave,
My point was all cues are a conical profile and I was referring to the OD taper of any joint.
I thought Lambros facing areas were convex concave, not conicle.
Which the reason for my post. Pretty simple.
Rick
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