CSI Questionable use of the "US Open" name?

SouthernDraw said:
And as far as whether the tables impacted the outcome of the game? The last six players include...

SVB, Appleton, Deuel, Hohmann, Orcollo, and Justin Hall.

I can't come up with a stronger six in the rest of the pack.
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If I get these 6 pro players to play in a local bar tourney, who do you think will be the last 6? It is a no brainer, the cream rises to the top. The argument against 7ft is not that the cream will not rise to the top.


Double-Dave said:
I have a healthy dislike for CW, but his tournament is for all practical purposes the WC.
There is no bigger 14.1 tournament anywhere.

gr. Dave
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Right, I will organise a 7 ball tourney at local bar, promote it to rest of world , stream it for free and it "Only 7 ball Championship" and because it is biggest 7 ball tourney around, it will be "all practical purposes the WC."

one stroke said:
Out of this short field that may be so .
I don't recall Ozzy ever saying he didn't like it in fact I remembering him saying this is the future of pool ,,
The fact of the matter US Open wins are used to determine a players career , and if anyone thinks for a second it's the same thing as a U.S. Open win on s 9ft they bumped their head it's not even remotely close
At the end of the day its a injustice to past champions and it's degrading to the name US Open no matter how it's sliced or diced
If they moved the Kentuky derby to a mile the Preakness to 6 furlongs and the Belmont to a 1 1/6 of a mile
All those races would produce a far type of champion they where too , and comparing them to past Champions would be impossible ,, we use these titles as a measure of greatness plain and simple

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To be fair, he did say in one ABR episode that he dislikes 7ft. Restauranteurs don't have to like food their restaurants serve
You make valid point -the oldest major All Japan (men) switched few years ago from 9 ball to 10 ball but they did not switch to toy tables . Not specifying that it is US Open on 7ft when the name is associated with 9ft borders on misrepresentation
 
one stroke said:
Out of this short field that may be so .
I don't recall Ozzy ever saying he didn't like it in fact I remembering him saying this is the future of pool ,,
The fact of the matter US Open wins are used to determine a players career , and if anyone thinks for a second it's the same thing as a U.S. Open win on s 9ft they bumped their head it's not even remotely close
At the end of the day its a injustice to past champions and it's degrading to the name US Open no matter how it's sliced or diced
If they moved the Kentuky derby to a mile the Preakness to 6 furlongs and the Belmont to a 1 1/6 of a mile
All those races would produce a far type of champion they where too , and comparing them to past Champions would be impossible ,, we use these titles as a measure of greatness plain and simple

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+1 for you
Very well said.
I love the fact that CSI is running Pro events :thumbup:
You know it possible for CSI to walk and chew gum at the same time.
CSI can have Pro events and NOT destroy the US Open "brand" at the same time,
by simply making a clear distinction that these events are "Bar Box" Championships.
 
cleary said:
Only kills any prestige the name had in the first place. For the players, they're just lucky they have a chance to win some money but CSI must know they're devaluing they're own asset (if it's really even of value). This game is a mess and the people in charge just keep digging the hole. Sucks but what can ya do?
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well said


PS- I AM SAYING PLAYING ON 7 FOOTERS IS NOT REAL POOL!!

Someone has 'pay attention to me' issues and that is more intense when you **** something up royally.
 
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BRussell said:
Good point. CSI is not responsible for the loss of 9-foot pool rooms in the U.S., they're just trying to make the best of that reality. And we could all contribute in small ways, especially with our money. Rather than being cheap, and looking for excuses not to buy streams, we should be supporting them.
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My pool room has 14, 9 Ft tables, so I don't think its declining... Just sayin.
 
If anything, they should add the "7 foot" distinction out of respect for people who have previously competed in these tournaments.

Whether or not pool on a small table is "real pool" or not isn't for anyone to decide. However, it's not secret that the strategies differ and the game, as a whole, is easier on a smaller table.

If I was a past US Open 10-Ball champion, I wouldn't want this year's winner to have the same title as me. When the difficulty and strategy changes, the whole tournament changes. This is now a different tournament. Why do they win the same title?

This would be the equivalent of holding next year's US Open of golf on a course that is made up of 18 par-3s, then giving the tournament the same distinction and prestige.
 
Rodney Morris is the last true US Open 10 Ball Champion but the tape is gone forever featuring one of the greatest comebacks in a finals ever. I agree on adding the bar table to the name.
 
sebroy9 said:
Hey, Thorsten said that?
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Absolutely. Corrected Jay Helfert in the trophy acceptance interview.
Kinda funny after all the arguing on here. Jay just glossed over and let it go. He had been mentioning the toughness of the tables when commentating.
Toasty just wanted to put it out there I guess.
 
Jay asked him how it felt to be US Open 10 ball champ. And Thorsten said US Open "bar table champ".
Don't know his feelings about it but, it seemed like he wanted to make the distinction.
 
From the pros I have spoke to they would prefer big tables but in reality if the event pays well then it is best to play and get paid. I do hope we see more events with 9 foot tables but lets be happy that there are pro events for the players even if they are on the small tables.
 
9andout said:
Absolutely. Corrected Jay Helfert in the trophy acceptance interview.
Kinda funny after all the arguing on here. Jay just glossed over and let it go. He had been mentioning the toughness of the tables when commentating.
Toasty just wanted to put it out there I guess.
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Any recording of that video interview?
 
voiceofreason said:
"Own".

How?

And what do these chaps have to say on the matter?

http://www.usopen.org/
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If I'm not mistaken, the name they "own" would technically be " US Open 10ball" ( and 8ball) although the inclusion of the name of the game may not be necessary.

Ownership (like a trademark) is typically based on "first use" and the context of use, so as long as CSI doesn't attempt to create a tennis or golf event (or 9ball), there's no conflict with the others using the same name.
 
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It's pool at least....

The only decent 7' table I have played on is a 7' Diamond. All the local bar box tables suck big time because of huge pockets, lousy cloth and rails, etc.

So at least they play on good bar box tables and I do recognize the difficulties a small table presents, even if the pros make playing on them look easy.

CSI can run professional tournaments and I wish they had the rights to all the US Open games. They seem to be the most consistent producer of well run US pool tournaments and if they could get their hands on the US open 9 Ball Tournament I believe it would be a major boost for the popularity of pool.

Imagine a major net work interviewing the current owner of the US Open 9 Ball name compared to the owner of CSI.
 
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