Best "Affordable" 4th Axis

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pescadoman said:
I was summarizing his answer to my question about his presence here. I share your sentiments regarding most of his replies.

Instead of having an open mind and likely improving his product, he created an apprehension towards potential buyers IMO.

I still believe in his product, as my Predator is nearly identical to Bob's and, if I ever get enough money, I'll finish it...lol. I don't agree with his position that Clearpaths are the worst choice for theses machines...
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Randy,

I recently bought a machine from George and he has bent over backwards to accomadate every question and answer every email pronto.

He is an awesome dude to deal with and a great guy. He has been doing this for over twenty years. When he had that sale Dick and I were order number 75 & 76. George told me one month and the first of five packages arrived early and the total delivery time was 38 days. Pretty damn good I would say.

Leon has been using this machine for over one year and his machined parts match the cad geometry right on.

His engineering works just fine.

So if you are thinking about getting one talk to Leon.

Mine is not up and running yet as I am waiting for my harmonic drive and vacuum table set up. So for now I am using Royce's and Leon's experience as my standard. I think it is more than OK to do that.

JMO,

Rick
 
scdiveteam said:
Randy,

I recently bought a machine from George and he has bent over backwards to accomadate every question and answer every email pronto.

He is an awesome dude to deal with and a great guy. He has been doing this for over twenty years. When he had that sale Dick and I were order number 75 & 76. George told me one month and the first of five packages arrived early and the total delivery time was 38 days. Pretty damn good I would say.

Leon has been using this machine for over one year and his machined parts match the cad geometry right on.

His engineering works just fine.

So if you are thinking about getting one talk to Leon.

Mine is not up and running yet as I am waiting for my harmonic drive and vacuum table set up. So for now I am using Royce's and Leon's experience as my standard. I think it is more than OK to do that.

JMO,

Rick
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For the record.....I'm the person who brought XZERO to this forum and OWN a fully loaded Predator. I'm also the guy who asked him to come here and field questions because I'm not comfortable speaking for him. Leon and Royce already had there's, but I don't recall either of them sharing that information publicly.

I now know of 3 people on this forum, and 2 outside who bought machines because of me.

I know very little about CNC, but with Royce, Thomas Wayne....ect, I was hoping this thread would turn into something all of us novices could learn from.....

The name calling certainly wasn't needed, but what Thomas said regarding George's replies are true. Had I known about the "industry standard" installation of ball screws I certainly would have purchased those instead, IF I knew it was an option. I AM going with the Clearpath in spite of what George recommends because Thomas showed them to me in person and spoke of their accolades. Furthermore, I see the 90 day as a no brainer. If you don't like them within 3 months, feel free to send them back.

I agree with you about George being accommodating, but that has NOTHING to do with what happened in this thread. I think he's a really nice guy and our talks have always been cordial. Aside from the fact his shipments ALWAYS seem to miss some part and my rails were free to bounce around inside one of the extrusions, it's great.

Maybe it was the language barrier....I don't know. Regardless, I see this as an opportunity lost.
 
scdiveteam said:
Randy,

I recently bought a machine from George and he has bent over backwards to accomadate every question and answer every email pronto.

He is an awesome dude to deal with and a great guy. He has been doing this for over twenty years. When he had that sale Dick and I were order number 75 & 76. George told me one month and the first of five packages arrived early and the total delivery time was 38 days. Pretty damn good I would say.

Leon has been using this machine for over one year and his machined parts match the cad geometry right on.

His engineering works just fine.

So if you are thinking about getting one talk to Leon.

Mine is not up and running yet as I am waiting for my harmonic drive and vacuum table set up. So for now I am using Royce's and Leon's experience as my standard. I think it is more than OK to do that.

JMO,

Rick
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For the record.....I'm the person who brought XZERO to this forum and OWN a fully loaded Predator. I'm also the guy who asked him to come here and field questions because I'm not comfortable speaking for him. Leon and Royce already had there's, but I don't recall either of them sharing that information publicly.

I now know of 3 people on this forum, and 2 outside who bought machines because of me.

I know very little about CNC but, with Royce, Thomas Wayne....ect, I was hoping this thread would turn into something all of us novices could learn from.....

The name calling certainly wasn't needed, but what Thomas said regarding George's replies are true. Had I known about the "industry standard" installation of ball screws I certainly would have purchased those instead, IF I knew it was an option. I AM going with the Clearpath in spite of what George recommends because Thomas showed them to me in person and spoke of their accolades. Furthermore, I see the 90 day as a no brainer. If you don't like them within 3 months, feel free to send them back. OH, some guy named Richard Black had his CNC retrofitted with Clearpaths and LOVES them.

I agree with you about George being accommodating, but that has NOTHING to do with what happened in this thread. I think he's a really nice guy and our talks have always been cordial. Aside from the fact his shipments ALWAYS seem to miss some part and my rails were free to bounce around inside one of the extrusions, it's great.

Maybe it was the language barrier....I don't know. Regardless, I see this as an opportunity lost.
 
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pescadoman said:
[...] I AM going with the Clearpath in spite of what George recommends because Thomas showed them to me in person and spoke of their accolades. Furthermore, I see the 90 day as a no brainer. If you don't like them within 3 months, feel free to send them back.

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I have installed Clearpath motors on a good number of machines now and the user response has been 100% favorable. I can't claim to know George's reasons for painting Clearpath motors in a negative light, since he didn't really offer any sound reasoning in that regard. But I can say that Teknic does not offer very much of an OEM discount, and there is no cheap Chinese equivalent, so maybe George was working a little "negative sell" approach.

For the record, I've been using CNC for cuemaking longer than anyone on this forum - and almost anyone in cuemaking period - and several others in this thread are also VERY experienced. I think those of us asking questions grew weary of George's non-answers, and of him characterizing any opinion he didn't agree with as "absurd" - I know I did. May have partially been a language barrier thing (as you said) as well.

TW

 
Thomas Wayne said:


I have installed Clearpath motors on a good number of machines now and the user response has been 100% favorable. I can't claim to know George's reasons for painting Clearpath motors in a negative light, since he didn't really offer any sound reasoning in that regard. But I can say that Teknic does not offer very much of an OEM discount, and there is no cheap Chinese equivalent, so maybe George was working a little "negative sell" approach.

For the record, I've been using CNC for cuemaking longer than anyone on this forum - and almost anyone in cuemaking period - and several others in this thread are also VERY experienced. I think those of us asking questions grew weary of George's non-answers, and of him characterizing any opinion he didn't agree with as "absurd" - I know I did. May have partially been a language barrier thing (as you said) as well.

TW
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I dont think he took the time to research and or see that clearpath comes in a high res step and direction motor. Maybe he just saw the mc model and wrote it off. Nobody in there right mind who knows what there talking about could have argued the leadshine vs. clearpath like he was. The only way to beat a clearpath is with ALOT more money and ALOT more complicated system.
 
RBC said:
Well, you know George, all I wanted was to hear some of the reasoning behind some of your statements.

Each time you were questioned about a position you took, you're justification was from a completely different topic. It's just not possible to have a real conversation that way.

I mentioned that the rotary that was sent to me was a Harmonic Drive. You told me it was not. To be honest, that offended me. I'm not stupid, and I do know what a harmonic drive is. I really don't know your reasoning for telling me that I was wrong. I'm certainly not the smartest guy in the world, but I'm certainly not stupid either.

So as I said, I'd really like to understand your position on some of these topics. I don't care to change your position, just understand your logic behind those positions. It's quite possible that I may change and take the same position as you. But I can't do that just because you said one thing is better than another. I have to have some reasoning as to why one thing is better than another.

So if you choose to go, that's fine. If you would like to share your insight with me I'd like that. We could communicate here on this forum, through email, or through your forum as well. If you're interested, let me know.

Respectfully

Royce Bunnell
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Show me where i said your is not a harmonic drive? i not trying to offend anyone.
If it is thats great, i asked if you take it apart i would like to see inside .If that part works i would use it on 5th and 6th axis spindle head .The harmonic i have are $450 each and 3 of them on spindle is expensive.
 
RBC said:
Randy

Well, I don't know.

I would expect the ball screws were done the same way he normally does them. The tough part is that going into it, you just expect that they would be done the way everyone else does them, so you don't even ask. You don't find out it's done differently until you get the machine, and then it's too late to change. Well, you can, but it's another wait on new balls screws and you have to figure out the length differences and how to fit the couplers in place.

I ended up installing mine George's way because I just didn't have time to modify them. They are working fine, and may work that way forever. But, I'm not sure so I'll be checking them fairly regularly.


Royce
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1500 machines and not one has let go , why is that? That's 4500 moving parts daily?
Do you know surface hold area from nut to collar clamp. Just a little info. Its over 100x more surface hold area .
 
pescadoman said:
George decided he no longer wants to answer questions here. Since I'm directly responsible for the sale of at least 4 machines, it's pretty disappointing..

I apologize..... Hopefully any questions you have will be answered privately.

Considering these machines fit perfectly within the zone of cuemakers, I thought being part of this community was an exceptional opportunity for his business....

Apparently, I was wrong...
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What does my company have to do with pool cue forum? If there is a problem, they just email me
I have a email and web site and on a lot of other forums? what does posting on cue for have to do with machines?
I cant be on every forum ? I sell machines everyday to guitar makers, never been on one of the forums. R/C forums.
 
Thomas Wayne said:


All due respect, Randy. go back and read the thread. George wasn't really "answering questions" here anyway. I personally think - and if you read the thread you will see I am not alone in this - there are some construction decisions that George may not have thought out very thoroughly. Concerns of that nature justify asking questions and expecting reasonable and understandable answers, which he didn't seem very able to provide.

After a while, those asking the questions become a little tired of getting the run-around, and I think that's what happened in this case.

TW
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What would the construction decisions be?
 
pescadoman said:
For the record.....I'm the person who brought XZERO to this forum and OWN a fully loaded Predator. I'm also the guy who asked him to come here and field questions because I'm not comfortable speaking for him. Leon and Royce already had there's, but I don't recall either of them sharing that information publicly.

I now know of 3 people on this forum, and 2 outside who bought machines because of me.

I know very little about CNC, but with Royce, Thomas Wayne....ect, I was hoping this thread would turn into something all of us novices could learn from.....

The name calling certainly wasn't needed, but what Thomas said regarding George's replies are true. Had I known about the "industry standard" installation of ball screws I certainly would have purchased those instead, IF I knew it was an option. I AM going with the Clearpath in spite of what George recommends because Thomas showed them to me in person and spoke of their accolades. Furthermore, I see the 90 day as a no brainer. If you don't like them within 3 months, feel free to send them back.

I agree with you about George being accommodating, but that has NOTHING to do with what happened in this thread. I think he's a really nice guy and our talks have always been cordial. Aside from the fact his shipments ALWAYS seem to miss some part and my rails were free to bounce around inside one of the extrusions, it's great.

Maybe it was the language barrier....I don't know. Regardless, I see this as an opportunity lost.
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There is so many ways ballscrew ends are done.
 
Thomas Wayne said:


I have installed Clearpath motors on a good number of machines now and the user response has been 100% favorable. I can't claim to know George's reasons for painting Clearpath motors in a negative light, since he didn't really offer any sound reasoning in that regard. But I can say that Teknic does not offer very much of an OEM discount, and there is no cheap Chinese equivalent, so maybe George was working a little "negative sell" approach.

For the record, I've been using CNC for cuemaking longer than anyone on this forum - and almost anyone in cuemaking period - and several others in this thread are also VERY experienced. I think those of us asking questions grew weary of George's non-answers, and of him characterizing any opinion he didn't agree with as "absurd" - I know I did. May have partially been a language barrier thing (as you said) as well.

TW
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I stated clearpath is not the right choice for CNC machine.If i ever looking at single axis programmable driver and motor i would look at getting them because they are the cheapest .
Leadshine is not a cheap china knock off. I sell most of my machines with out motor kits. So it don't really matter what people choose to use.
Absurd means utterly senseless, to the post you made about reference to BMW.
 
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LGSM3 said:
I dont think he took the time to research and or see that clearpath comes in a high res step and direction motor. Maybe he just saw the mc model and wrote it off. Nobody in there right mind who knows what there talking about could have argued the leadshine vs. clearpath like he was. The only way to beat a clearpath is with ALOT more money and ALOT more complicated system.
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Yes i do, i sell mits and Yaskawa full controllers a lot, so dont try and tell i don't know about motors. BTW do you know who makes the clearpath motors.
Clearpath are the cheapest motor kit for programmable driver and good deal.But why would you use programmable smart driver on a cnc machine when controller is the giving commands
Have you looked at leadshine full products? I sell the leadshine to people to get them the best value i can. Where would you get mx3660 3 x281oz motors and 48v power supply for $320.Garbage knock off leadshine ebay kits cost you that.
Leadshine is one the largest motor company's in the world like oriental motors .
Again nothing wrong with clearpath, but there not any good for CNC .You would not be using them for what you are buying them for and paying for . if you don't believe that's completely up to you.
 
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LGSM3 said:
I dont think he took the time to research and or see that clearpath comes in a high res step and direction motor. Maybe he just saw the mc model and wrote it off. Nobody in there right mind who knows what there talking about could have argued the leadshine vs. clearpath like he was. The only way to beat a clearpath is with ALOT more money and ALOT more complicated system.
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I agree with your assessment 100%. His answers make it clear he doesn't understand what the Clearpath SDSK series is OR how they work.

TW
 
Thomas Wayne said:
I agree with your assessment 100%. His answers make it clear he doesn't understand what the Clearpath SDSK series is OR how they work.

TW
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No Problem , i do understand them
People are more than welcome to buy what they want?
I tell people what this best to use. Its up to them to use what they want
 
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gio-XZero said:
Show me where i said your is not a harmonic drive? i not trying to offend anyone.
If it is thats great, i asked if you take it apart i would like to see inside .If that part works i would use it on 5th and 6th axis spindle head .The harmonic i have are $450 each and 3 of them on spindle is expensive.
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George,

Here's the quote where you said that it wasn't a Harmonic Drive.

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From looking at it, i believe it is a cross roller bearings are used and i don't think it is a full harmonic driver set up but could be wrong. only way to know is to remove motor or chuck and look inside. Servo motor is not any motor accurate than a steeper motor.
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Sorry, but it is a harmonic drive.

Royce
 
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