Best "Affordable" 4th Axis
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Actually that's NOT the question. The question IS, to whom were you referring when you used the phrase "20+ years experience"? I thought I made that abundantly clear. Please answer that one - I mean, you wrote it, now explain it.
As for your question, I have NO experience with "Leadshine motors". I also have no experience with "Ching Chong motors", "Wang Tang motors", or "Yappity Zappity Doo motors". In fact there are probably hundreds of brands of cheap Chinese-made motors I have no experience with - unless they are inside my refrigerator or washing machine or whatever, and I simply don't know it.
So what's your point? You just now wrote that "cues speak for themselves", so what motors run the machine used to make those cues should be irrelevant. It's the end results that count.
Please don't. I am not even remotely interested in your opinion of them, or of any other machine, tool, or process.
Yes, they certainly do. What they say depends, of course, on who made them. I know the photos I've seen of yours have certainly made some interesting statements.
No, I don't think that. I think he started his company 8 years ago, just like he said. Again, I thought I was clear on that point.
Not "spinning it" at all. George said "8 years", and I took that at face value. You're the one doing the "spinning" with your "20+ years experience" statement. Unless, you know, you care to share with us the formula you used to derive that figure...
As for "bantering on a personal level", George started ALL of that personal stuff. It's entirely in the public record, and anyone reading this thread - with, apparently, the exception of you - is well aware of how that developed.
TW
To Royce,
You mentioned that you have a leadscrew (ACME I assume?) and not a ballscrew on the Z of one of your machines. Is that so there is no backdriving due to the spindle weight? Or another reason? Would you do it the same way again? Or would only do it this way only under certain circumstances?
Thanks,
Nick
You mentioned that you have a leadscrew (ACME I assume?) and not a ballscrew on the Z of one of your machines. Is that so there is no backdriving due to the spindle weight? Or another reason? Would you do it the same way again? Or would only do it this way only under certain circumstances?
Thanks,
Nick
Early Bridgeport mills used stepper motors. A friend put on a new controller windows based system and then upgraded to servo motors. It totally changed the precision of the machine and made it very quiet in comparison to what it was. It went from 0.001 inch steps to being capable of 0.00005 steps. So now shallow tapers look very smooth indeed.
I am interested in this thread, lots of good information but spread out over too many pages. Has anyone got a summery of the different motors and controllers that have been mentioned/discussed with pro's and con's of the various set ups ?
Something like that would be very helpful in making a decision of what is the best setup for the individual to decide on.
Neil
I am interested in this thread, lots of good information but spread out over too many pages. Has anyone got a summery of the different motors and controllers that have been mentioned/discussed with pro's and con's of the various set ups ?
Something like that would be very helpful in making a decision of what is the best setup for the individual to decide on.
Neil
RBC
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Nick
:Yes, I do like an acme screw for the Z. I like for a couple of reasons. One, of course is the possibility of the Z dropping when powered off, and the other is really about dust. It's tough to keep a Z axis ball screw free of the dust. And, of course, price is a factor as well. I don't need to go any faster than 150 ipm on the Z, so it really doesn't have to be a ball screw.
Royce
George told me personally on the phone he had over 20 years of CNC experience under his belt not 20 years in biz.
Leadshine is not some knock off company. Their ISO Cert says it all. They are a Global Company with distribution everywhere. From what George told me the knock off companies are using their designs. Joey brings up that the ISO Cert on their Website was expired. It was a web guy's oversight and all that maters is that the vendor supplies chain of custody all the way to the end user with the certs so it can be properly filed for audits at their facility.
I do agree that it is the end results that matter. Nothing else.
What goes on between you and George is no skin off my butt but he was someone who had knowledge selling equipment that fits into a cue maker's situation.
It takes two to tango it is never one sided i read his responses and his attitude but it just got out of hand.
Thats all.
I would be very stupid not to try the Leadshine because I own it already. The fact that you top tier guys open talked about Clearpath is very cool but the Leadshine facts must be seen by me before I dismiss them. Your sold and take the Clearpath to the bank and that's all well and good. That is what George was saying! Use what you want.
Rick
Please quote where I or anyone else accused Leadshine of being "a knock off company".
Not according to George. He specifically stated that he came to this site to LEARN about how to configure equipment for cuemakers. Here, read it for yourself:
So your attempt to make it seem as it the cuemaking community has somehow lost something of great value without George posting here is pretty much disproved by George's own words. He didn't come here with "knowledge selling equipment that fits into a cue maker's situation" - he came here to LEARN what kind of equipment he can make (in the future) for cuemakers to use. He was quite clear about that.
Yes it did.
Of course it probably didn't help any that you were whispering in George's ear behind the scenes in an effort to prejudice his attitude towards certain members here. His refusal to answer simple, reasonable questions and his penchant for negative selling Clearpath motors by making false claims about them didn't help any either... But no doubt your obvious stirring of the pot from the sidelines went a LONG way toward derailing the thread.
I would say it's a safe bet that very, VERY few of us care even slightly what motors you use.
TW
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You could have tried Clearpath with no obligation to keep them for a full 90 days.
What disappoints me was the notion, led by a "certain" person, that I was in some way trying to undermine ANYONE. It's pretty shitty that I get frustrated messages from the guy, who seemed to infer I was working against him, when I've been proactively trying to(successfully BTW) sell his machines and help him with ideas that would benefit "us". It's even more of a pisser that the first person who implied I was being antagonizing wasn't even aware that I OWN an Xzero, let alone that I convinced my friend Jim, his neighbor, Eddie Cohen, and at LEAST one person here to buy a Raptor. I did that because I thought, compared to other machines, they were an excellent value. I still do, but it would seem George's reluctancy to consider change is seen, by him, as admission that his machines have fatal flaws. That being said, he abandoned his Viper machine because of issues with that design(round rails I think being primary). His current configuration works for him so I see his resistance to change. HOWEVER, I do recall him saying he'd machine the screws for captive bearings if you'd like. As for the motors, I think it's safe to say we are at impasse.
The reason I, yes ME, asked him to come here was I didn't want to continue answering question for him. It's not my business and certainly not my forte. I suppose the thread where I introduced his Raptor and fielded questions until he registered has been forgotten....?
Actually the aforementioned was what PERSONALLY bothered me and it really has to due with ONE individual.
Everything in this thread speaks for itself and, for what it's worth, I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to answer questions.
I hope the original question regarding the 4th axis was sufficiently answer for the OP.
No good deed goes unpunished.
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