Bergman vs DeChaine

Cezar Morales said:
Many players will be begging to play even with Mike Dechaine because they will rob him of his lunch money.
If ko pin yi is too strong, his 18 yr old bro ko pin chungwill be more than willing ;) , carlo biado ? Jeffrey ignacio ?? Jayson shaw ?

Mike may need 5 racks in a race to 25 plus the 8 lol
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Ignacio can't beat Dechaine, you went a little too far with that one!
 
Bigtruck said:
If you are attempting to determine the best player at the time, The long race is the way to go. If you are after entertainment only, then multiple races is best.

In regards to the long race being for die hard fans only, we hire top level commentary which adds to the experience making it valuable for players of all levels.

Ray
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Actually if you wanted to attempt to determine the best player at the time, and ahead set of 15 or more would determine it. Not a race.

And you have never hired me to commentate. :)
 
watchez said:
Actually if you wanted to attempt to determine the best player at the time, and ahead set of 15 or more would determine it. Not a race.

And you have never hired me to commentate. :)
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This is true
Most players getting backed don't want to work hard .
Which a 15 ahead can be a real grind .
 
watchez said:
The races to 100 have passed their usefulness. How many comebacks have there been in them - two?? How much excitement is in them -- zero. I said this a long time ago. Time to move on to multiple races. Race to between 20 and 30, win by two. Put up multiple sets and if tied after the 4th or 6th set then double or triple the bet on the last set.

Beyond all of this --- how many times has Dechaine gambled with someone even the past two years? If Bergman will play, if he is getting $1000 from a streamer, he should be crawling over dead bodies to get to the table.
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I think there have been more then 2 come backs over 10 games .
 
Maybe 3 comebacks?
Alex vs SVB
SVB vs Donnie

And see if there was another one, it wasn't memorable enough to make a difference.
 
Tin Man said:
Why do people bash the race to 100? I get there isn't as much suspense for the fans.

Before you answer, have you played a race to 100 for high stakes? I've played a lot of pool sets and I have not. I am not going to knock it as a test of skill without having played it.

Personally if I thought I was the better player I don't think I'd be afraid of a race to 100. 3/5 sets to 21 I'd actually find dicier as I could win two sets 21-12 and 21-14 but then lose three hill-hills and end up losing while I was still "ahead" 13 racks.

Not sure, but I like the format.

Chris Bartrum- you've played these races on TAR. What are your thoughts?
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I prefer the race to 100 for the same reasons as you.
 
watchez said:
Maybe 3 comebacks?
Alex vs SVB
SVB vs Donnie

And see if there was another one, it wasn't memorable enough to make a difference.
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Sky Woodward was down over 10 games in his race to a 100 fight night 9 ball match with Jesse Bowman.

Sky ended up winning by almost 20 games.
 
watchez said:
Maybe 3 comebacks?
Alex vs SVB
SVB vs Donnie

And see if there was another one, it wasn't memorable enough to make a difference.
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If the races were to 50 instead of 100, i think SVB would have won the same amount of them-He would have beat Alex (I think) and lost to Donny ( I think). In other words as far as im concerned 50/100-same thing. 50 is plenty.

Bartram? That's another story. Was your race w Daz over multiple days Chris?
 
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Nostroke said:
If the races were to 50 instead of 100, i think SVB would have won the same amount of them-He would have beat Alex (I think) and lost to Donny ( I think). In other words as far as im concerned 50/100-same thing. 50 is plenty.

Bartram? That's another story. Was your race w Daz over multiple days Chris?
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Ask Bartram how he liked sitting there against Stevie and Oscar? Knowing that he couldn't get an immediate chance to fight for his money back.
 
watchez said:
Wake me up when you find them all. It's making me sleepy just thinking about a race to 100.

But ok we are up to 4 out of? 40?
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What specifies a comeback? How many games?

Does a comeback make the race better?

What is wrong with someone running away with it and winning by 30 or more? I would say it is just as exciting to watch your guy bury someone, as it is to watch your guy comeback from a huge deficit.
 
watchez said:
Ask Bartram how he liked sitting there against Stevie and Oscar? Knowing that he couldn't get an immediate chance to fight for his money back.
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It was a hole I dug for myself .
Yes it sucks just have to play better .
Funny you only mention the games where I was stuck big .
 
I mention those cause they sucked to watch as well. Don't take it personal son.

While robsnote might enjoy watching a blow out, I don't. You want to watch the Bears vs NE Super Bowl from 1985 or the Super Bowl from last year.

For a streamer, have a player down 50-32 after the first day. I bet (not) the ppv purchases just jump for the second day. But make it a race to 21, 5 sets. People would tune in the second day even if you lost the first two sets. A sweater could find interest by saying I'll take Bartram and 4 games in any set I the second day. What is a sweater gonna do the second day in a race to 100? The answer - not watch.
 
watchez said:
I mention those cause they sucked to watch as well. Don't take it personal son.

While robsnote might enjoy watching a blow out, I don't. You want to watch the Bears vs NE Super Bowl from 1985 or the Super Bowl from last year.

For a streamer, have a player down 50-32 after the first day. I bet (not) the ppv purchases just jump for the second day. But make it a race to 21, 5 sets. People would tune in the second day even if you lost the first two sets. A sweater could find interest by saying I'll take Bartram and 4 games in any set I the second day. What is a sweater gonna do the second day in a race to 100? The answer - not watch.
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Blow outs happen .
If New England is up 28 0 at half in a playoff game
Should the NFL play by each quarter ?
 
You have to avoid the gambler's fallacy in thinking about long races. Say Player A is a 55-45 favorite per game. But he gets really unlucky in the beginning and is down 20-10. Now, in a race to 70 where Player A has to win 40, he's only got a 40% chance of winning the whole race (if my binomial calculations are correct). If you believe that the better but unlucky player is likely to have extra good luck in the rest of the games, you've committed the gambler's fallacy.

Playing sets takes care of that issue. If the 55-45 player gets unlucky and loses the first of 3 sets, he's still the favorite to win the match because he's the favorite to win each set. That seems like a truer test of who's the better player over the long haul.

There is something about a long race that is great for testing mental toughness, but if you're looking for a truer test of who's better, I like sets.
 
watchez said:
I mention those cause they sucked to watch as well. Don't take it personal son.

While robsnote might enjoy watching a blow out, I don't. You want to watch the Bears vs NE Super Bowl from 1985 or the Super Bowl from last year.

For a streamer, have a player down 50-32 after the first day. I bet (not) the ppv purchases just jump for the second day. But make it a race to 21, 5 sets. People would tune in the second day even if you lost the first two sets. A sweater could find interest by saying I'll take Bartram and 4 games in any set I the second day. What is a sweater gonna do the second day in a race to 100? The answer - not watch.
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I didn't take it personal .
1 thing a lot of you guys who don't play these sets might not know
Most of the players i talk to and myself
We are playing for our money and our backers money .
The ppv is cool and I like that people can watch .
But to change my set because of the ppv

There is not enough money there to justify that .
 
real bartram said:
I didn't take it personal .
1 thing a lot of you guys who don't play these sets might not know
Most of the players i talk to and myself
We are playing for our money and our backers money .
The ppv is cool and I like that people can watch .
But to change my set because of the ppv

There is not enough money there to justify that .
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On the other hand, if the events were more viewer-friendly, maybe more people would watch and the pie would grow rather than just shuffling the same money back and forth.
 
real bartram said:
I didn't take it personal .
1 thing a lot of you guys who don't play these sets might not know
Most of the players i talk to and myself
We are playing for our money and our backers money .
The ppv is cool and I like that people can watch .
But to change my set because of the ppv

There is not enough money there to justify that .
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I would never again bet my money on a race to 100 unless I was betting on you and you were playing Barry. Beyond stealing, I would have no interest in them.

Big Truck proved in Vega$, the people watching are more important than the players or their money. No one is matching up a race to 100 unless it is streamed.

The NFL only has one format for their games. Most of the time they are close. Pool has a multitude of formats and you can pick one that makes it exciting and also a better gamble for everyone.
 
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