Constructive criticism for streamers

iusedtoberich

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Hello to all the streamers. I've been purchasing streams and watching the free streams from most of you for the past 10 or so years. Below is a list of things I feel could be improved, for no cost, that would make the streams more enjoyable.

1. The score. The score should be displayed continuously on the screen. It is the most frustrating thing to tune into a broadcast, be watching for 10 minutes, and have no idea what the score is. The score is the most important thing in any competition. If a banger walks in the room, they will ask what the score is, without even knowing who the players are. That's the first thing anyone watching any sporting event will ask. Here, I'm a die hard pool fan, and I have no clue what's going on because the score is not on the screen. This is the #1 thing that needs to be addressed.

An exception to showing the score continuously could be for instant replays and commercials.

From a technical standpoint, the production can either overlay it on the screen and manually update it by typing, or they can focus one camera on the scoreboard that the player's update themselves, and overlay that onto a corner of the screen. It doesn't have to take up a lot of real-estate, the score that is shown continuously. Then, between racks, it can blow up in size to show more detail or show more stats.

I know sometimes the commentator will forget to update the score. Still, even an inaccurate score for a couple of minutes is better than no score at all.

2. The streaks of the score: The next thing that the fans care about with regard to the match is if they are witnessing a streak of some sort. In 9 ball, we care about packages run. In straight pool, we care about current run. The commentators NEED to know this information. It builds interest in the match. If there is a streak going on, we will want to watch to see how long it will continue. Now, here is the problem. The commentators almost NEVER know what is going on. They will be fumbling trying to remember when the run started, what rack he is on, etc.

The problem is not the commentators. The problem is the system. The producer must have a system in place for the commentator (or other person helping) to easily keep track of games. The producer must have a piece of paper printed out, and train the commentators how to use it. For 9 ball, all it has to have is a column of games, and each game will have a box to write the breaker, and if it was a break and run. This way, its very easy to keep track of (no need for tons of data like Accu-Stats TPA). All the person has to do is write who broke the rack, was it a break and run, and who won the rack. Then, they will instantly know what is going on if and when a streak does happen. Sure, it will be great to have full acca-stats TPA, but, I’ll be realistic. Just the number of break and runs would be huge.

A similar score sheet can be generated for straight pool. Every time a new inning starts, the commentator can write what the current score is. This way, he can update the fans on what the current run is.


3. Camera switching transitions:
Do NOT apply any transitions when switching cameras, such as fades, dissolves, or any other type. Do NOT place another image (such as a flag, or static picture) in the transition. ONLY do a simple instant camera switch.

Why?:
a. They probably works flawlessly on the local streamer's end, but when watching live on the internet, the transitions bog down noticeably. They causes missed frames and missed action. They can take 2 or 3 seconds on our viewing end, which is an eternity when the shooter is about to pull the trigger.

b. They are childish. Just because the software has it, does not mean they should be used. Its as if a new toy was found, and everyone wants to use is. This is live action sports. The camera switches need to be instant. This is not an art film. Sports broadcasts on TV do not use transitions, for a reason.

4. Camera switching: Switch cameras smartly. When a player is thinking about the shot, that is a good time to switch through several cameras so the fans can see the shot from multiply angles, and so the fans can get a better feel for the shot. However, once the player is about to shoot, STAY on that camera. It disorients the viewer when the camera is switched just as the player is pulling the trigger. One of the streamers used to switch the camera angle every single shot as the trigger was pulled, just because, on an open table layout. It was very difficult watching that stream.

5. The rack: Insist the players use a template rack. Watching a guy rack for even 2 minutes is crazy. Let alone some of the players take 6 minutes! You are in charge to a large extent, you insist on the template rack.

6. This one may only be possible with larger budgets, but if you have the capability, a 30 sec shot clock is the way to go, with one 30 sec extension per rack, and the first shot after the break being 60 sec. The World Cup of Pool just did this, and it was brilliant viewing.

Thank you for listening. Thank you for doing the streams. I only say the things above, because they have frustrated me tremendously. I hope they can be improved upon.
 
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Hello to all the streamers. I've been purchasing streams and watching the free streams from most of you for the past 10 or so years. Below is a list of things I feel could be improved, for no cost, that would make the streams more enjoyable.

1. The score. The score should be displayed continuously on the screen. It is the most frustrating thing to tune into a broadcast, be watching for 10 minutes, and have no idea what the score is. The score is the most important thing in any competition. If a banger walks in the room, they will ask what the score is, without even knowing who the players are. That's the first thing anyone watching any sporting event will ask. Here, I'm a die hard pool fan, and I have no clue what's going on because the score is not on the screen. This is the #1 thing that needs to be addressed.

An exception to showing the score continuously could be for instant replays and commercials.

From a technical standpoint, the production can either overlay it on the screen and manually update it by typing, or they can focus one camera on the scoreboard that the player's update themselves, and overlay that onto a corner of the screen. It doesn't have to take up a lot of real-estate, the score that is shown continuously. Then, between racks, it can blow up in size to show more detail or show more stats.

I know sometimes the commentator will forget to update the score. Still, even an inaccurate score for a couple of minutes is better than no score at all.

2. The streaks of the score: The next thing that the fans care about with regard to the match is if they are witnessing a streak of some sort. In 9 ball, we care about packages run. In straight pool, we care about current run. The commentators NEED to know this information. It builds interest in the match. If there is a streak going on, we will want to watch to see how long it will continue. Now, here is the problem. The commentators almost NEVER know what is going on. They will be fumbling trying to remember when the run started, what rack he is on, etc.

The problem is not the commentators. The problem is the system. The producer must have a system in place for the commentator (or other person helping) to easily keep track of games. The producer must have a piece of paper printed out, and train the commentators how to use it. For 9 ball, all it has to have is a column of games, and each game will have a box to write the breaker, and if it was a break and run. This way, its very easy to keep track of (no need for tons of data like Accu-Stats TPA). All the person has to do is write who broke the rack, was it a break and run, and who won the rack. Then, they will instantly know what is going on if and when a streak does happen. Sure, it will be great to have full acca-stats TPA, but, I’ll be realistic. Just the number of break and runs would be huge.

A similar score sheet can be generated for straight pool. Every time a new inning starts, the commentator can write what the current score is. This way, he can update the fans on what the current run is.


3. Camera switching transitions:
Do NOT apply any transitions when switching cameras, such as fades, dissolves, or any other type. Do NOT place another image (such as a flag, or static picture) in the transition. ONLY do a simple instant camera switch.

Why?:
a. They probably works flawlessly on the local streamer's end, but when watching live on the internet, the transitions bog down noticeably. They causes missed frames and missed action. They can take 2 or 3 seconds on our viewing end, which is an eternity when the shooter is about to pull the trigger.

b. They are childish. Just because the software has it, does not mean they should be used. Its as if a new toy was found, and everyone wants to use is. This is live action sports. The camera switches need to be instant. This is not an art film. Sports broadcasts on TV do not use transitions, for a reason.

4. Camera switching: Switch cameras smartly. When a player is thinking about the shot, that is a good time to switch through several cameras so the fans can see the shot from multiply angles, and so the fans can get a better feel for the shot. However, once the player is about to shoot, STAY on that camera. It disorients the viewer when the camera is switched just as the player is pulling the trigger. One of the streamers used to switch the camera angle every single shot as the trigger was pulled, just because, on an open table layout. It was very difficult watching that stream.

5. The rack: Insist the players use a template rack. Watching a guy rack for even 2 minutes is crazy. Let alone some of the players take 6 minutes! You are in charge to a large extent, you insist on the template rack.

6. This one may only be possible with larger budgets, but if you have the capability, a 30 sec shot clock is the way to go, with one 30 sec extension per rack, and the first shot after the break being 60 sec. The World Cup of Pool just did this, and it was brilliant viewing.

Thank you for listening. Thank you for doing the streams. I only say the things above, because they have frustrated me tremendously. I hope they can be improved upon.

I'd add...

Stop talking about what you had for dinner, how long it took you to get to the venue, and all topics unrelated to the match being played.

Do not leave the mike voiceless for long periods of time during a match.

Remember that not all viewers are experienced players...explain rules, etc. occasionally.

Ask players what cue they're currently playing with...tip, length, weight, etc.

When no match is being played, instead of seeing a table and no commentary how 'bout filling that down time with interviews, stories, ads, a review of the brackets, etc.
 
First thank you to all the people who provide the streams some of them for little to no financial compensation. I love watching the matches.

Second if you want to be respected like a professional you need to act like a professional.

My biggest peeve isn't directed at streamers who stream amateur pool players its at the streamers who display professional matches. It doesn't seem to matter if its a PPV or a "free" match competent commentary should be a required part of the package. I've said this so many times with no result frustration is the only explanation I can give for trying again.

If the commentators don't have the knowledge to commentate the matches they shouldn't try they should just stay silent and let the sounds of the game do the talking.

How many times do we have to listen to a commentator say "nothing to explain here, connect the dots." so I'm going to ignore the match like its not even happening and start talking to people in the chat room or bring random people into the booth and talk about non match or even non-related pool topics and on the very next shot the player is on the wrong side of a ball and the "easy" run out just became impossible. This all goes unnoticed because they have already decided not to commentate the match.

Drives me crazy!
 
Good points ....especially about racking. You overlooked one item that MAKES ME CRAZY :) These "random" commercials have got to go. They seem to always pop up at the most inopportune times. I am aware I could pay and not have to deal with it but there must be other and better options. Commercials placed while they are racking would be excellent LOL. I hope that at least some of the streamers read and respond to this posting. Let's see if they are paying attention :)
 
I highly doubt that ANY streamer has much to say about what rack to use or what format of racking should be in place unless they happen to also be putting on the event.

On the other hand, event promoters should be ashamed for allowing such asinine antics to go on and on. Like Danny D said, the rack he wasn't happy with he sunk 3 balls and got perfect postion. It's all horse shit moves to get into the other players head. They do that crap because at their level of play they realize 9 ball is child's play for them and in order to win with any kind of edge they need to harass their opponent.

How about rack your own with a shot clock that looses you the game if you go over time? OR ........

How about don't bother streaming 9 ball events ... that would be my vote.

The score ... for sure should be up there.
 
I highly doubt that ANY streamer has much to say about what rack to use or what format of racking should be in place unless they happen to also be putting on the event.

On the other hand, event promoters should be ashamed for allowing such asinine antics to go on and on. Like Danny D said, the rack he wasn't happy with he sunk 3 balls and got perfect postion. It's all horse shit moves to get into the other players head. They do that crap because at their level of play they realize 9 ball is child's play for them and in order to win with any kind of edge they need to harass their opponent.

How about rack your own with a shot clock that looses you the game if you go over time? OR ........

How about don't bother streaming 9 ball events ... that would be my vote.

The score ... for sure should be up there.

Now here's a guy who would vote not to stream a 9 ball event. Would somebody please untie him from that chair and remove the toothpicks from his eyelids?

Oh.....wait........maybe just don't watch that event? Nah, that would be too easy.
 
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Ask players what cue they're currently playing with...tip, length, weight, etc.
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If I were commentating, I'd have a notebook or folder with a page of information (at least) on each top player - including equipment used, titles won, background information if it's particularly interesting, etc.. There's going to be dead time - it's a pool match.

That being said, a lot of us are very interested in what brand of tip, what hardness level, what cue-maker, which shaft, what's the weight and length of the cue and material of the butt. Then, of course, add whether they are sponsored, and by whom. That gives us two key pieces of information: 1. should we take their choice of product with a grain of salt, & 2. it lets us know which companies are helping out the players.

I should add that I think most of the streams I watch are exceptional, particularly when top players are in the booth. They add such an unbelievable amount of credibility and information - plus they're usually critical of poor shot selection and they spend much more time talking about the on-going match, which is missing from most commentators.
 
In any of the streaming that I have done, the streamer has no control over when ustream's random commercials play. That is not a streamer issue.

As for the rack and racking, very few streamers have any input into something like this. I commented once or twice during the finals of Turning Stone that I thought Matt should have started racking for both players. It was just my opinion though. Mike Zuglan runs a tight ship and it was his call.

Mike
 
I believe most of the ads you refer to are placed by Ustream, not the streamer. If a streamer can place the ads themselves they will not put them in while folks are shooting.
 
I believe most of the ads you refer to are placed by Ustream, not the streamer. If a streamer can place the ads themselves they will not put them in while folks are shooting.

A really easy way to avoid ads on Ustream or youtube is to install Adblock Plus onto your browser.
 
Stop talking about what you had for dinner, how long it took you to get to the venue, and all topics unrelated to the match being played.

This. If you have nothing productive to say about the match at hand simply shut the f*** up :angry:
This makes me absolutely nuts, trying to tell little titbits and appear knowledgeable and simply forgetting to comment on the game actually going on.
And also please, do not predict shots and how the player will run out.
Tell me things I cannot readily see via the stream or that are difficult to see when not being familiar with the game.
And I might add, if I hear anybody say "legal break" again... the word "valid" seems much more appropriate.

Eurosport commenters for Snooker usually are absolutely excellent - take that as a role model.
 
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A really easy way to avoid ads on Ustream or youtube is to install Adblock Plus onto your browser.

Yes - get Adblock Plus (adblockplus.org). It's free and easy to install on your browser. You'll stop seeing all the ads that Ustream puts out.
 
Video quality and good lighting makes it a real pleasure to watch any match. Video quality to me is the most important. If I can't see clearly what is happening, I don't want to watch.
IMHO
 
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