Do you think Shane regrets the final shot or the position he pushed out to most?

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I was really surprised at the position Shane pushed out to in the final game. It seems obvious that he got where he was trying to get, but I thought he passed up several better options such as:

1. Pushing to a jump shot
2. Pushing down table to the end rail to a position he could hit the two but not pocket it.
3. Pushing to a position where he bunched some balls up to give him a better chance to get back to the table.

Anyway, what are your thoughts?
 
the Professor said:
I was really surprised at the position Shane pushed out to in the final game. It seems obvious that he got where he was trying to get, but I thought he passed up several better options such as:

1. Pushing to a jump shot
2. Pushing down table to the end rail to a position he could hit the two but not pocket it.
3. Pushing to a position where he bunched some balls up to give him a better chance to get back to the table.

Anyway, what are your thoughts?
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No. I really think that was a good push. Ko jumps the ball to well to push to a jump and the reality is that Shane hit the two really bad. He almost hit it dead in the face where cutting leaves a huge margin for error and two ways to go in.
 
In rack Right after Ko scratched on the 8 ball, He regrets most missing position on that 7 ball which would've been a run out to make it 10-8.
Instead he snookered himself, missed a jump shot that jawed in the pocket and Ko was out making the score 9-9.

His body language and facial expression changed a bit after that.

That was his chance.
 
Drop The Rock said:
No. I really think that was a good push. Ko jumps the ball to well to push to a jump and the reality is that Shane hit the two really bad. He almost hit it dead in the face where cutting leaves a huge margin for error and two ways to go in.
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I always have been of the mindset you push to a spot you think the player passes back to you and you have already determined what your shots going to be I doubt Shane didn't know Ko was going to pass on the shot ,,

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I just watched the ending.

Does it seem like those tables banked soft? Cue ball barely went after hitting the rail.

Same with the bad safe Wu played towards the end of the Wu/Ko match.
 
the shot was really makeable either by jump or kick shot. both Shane and Ko were good at kicking or jumping. Shane was actually lucky to have been given the opportunity to shoot what he pushed because that's really the idea of a push-out in pool. You want to prepare a shot that you can make (pocket the object ball or execute a safety) but would be a difficult one for your opponent so he gives the shot back to you. in return, shane did not perform well on that shot.
 
The push was certainly reasonable. Pushing into a jump shot doesn't work against the Taiwanese, who are indisputably the best in the world at jump shots.

I was a little surprised that Ko gave it back, but it was certainly a close decision. Shane's safety was, to be fair, poorly played, and spelled the end of his chances.

As Cardigan Kid observed, the shot he'll regret the most was when he hooked himself on the seven when about to take a 10-8 lead. I truly believe he'd have won if he'd not made that untimely error at such a critical juncture.
 
sjm said:
As Cardigan Kid observed, the shot he'll regret the most was when he hooked himself on the seven when about to take a 10-8 lead. I truly believe he'd have won if he'd not made that untimely error at such a critical juncture.
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i agree with this too. it was his opportunity to be ahead by 2 points which is actually a deciding factor of who will win the match. but like i said, shane just keeps getting better and better. he will be a world champion very soon and it will be very easy for him.
 
it was a very good push , he just played it too quick as he hit the 2 too thick .
I thought Ko got a way too many times in the end , SVB deserved to win .
As a European i can say SVB is my favourite poolplayer , in fact i got a weak hart for all American poolplayers .
All that said Ko is a true champion , winning the 9 and the 10 ball is a big achievement .
 
sjm said:
The push was certainly reasonable. Pushing into a jump shot doesn't work against the Taiwanese, who are indisputably the best in the world at jump shots.

I was a little surprised that Ko gave it back, but it was certainly a close decision. Shane's safety was, to be fair, poorly played, and spelled the end of his chances.

As Cardigan Kid observed, the shot he'll regret the most was when he hooked himself on the seven when about to take a 10-8 lead. I truly believe he'd have won if he'd not made that untimely error at such a critical juncture.
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I agree. Unless you have a favorite pet shot to push to, getting to a shot which is 50/50 for the player to take it on is almost the definition of the perfect push out.

I think SVB was losing confidence on any shot he couldn't control, after the run he had been having, and this affected his concentration on the safety. He knew he was going to need a couple of rolls to win the match, by winning that safety battle and then hoping Ko Pin Yi didn't break and run the last. And it would have been hard for him to feel confident about such a turn of events after what had transpired.

Colin
 
How about banking that 7-ball with ball in hand? :eek:
Wouldn't a safe be a much better choice ?
The 7-ball was almost frozen to the 8-ball.
 
As the saying goes, it's 95% mental, the other 5% is mental, It's all about the brain.

Banking that 7 ball was probably the worst decision of his career.

He came up short on the 7 ball and had to jump, that was a pretty routine play to get on the 7 ball.

When he played the 2 ball to get to the 3 ball he usually measures the rail and takes his time, he didn't.
He hit the 2 ball heavy and lost the speed to get to the 3 ball. Now he plays a weak safety on the 3 ball leaving Ko an easy jump which he almost made, or an easy 1 rail kick. In that situation Shane had to lock up that safety which was not all that difficult, he hit it gun shy, tentatively, his focus was fading.

When he pushed on the 2 ball he had a plan that was easy to recognize. Ko gave it back and Shane once again did not measure the rail or take his time for the most critical shot of the match for him, he just took a pop at it abandoning his usual thought process and rhythm, it cost him.

It was everything else that led up to the execution of his final shot.

Shane was so mentally locked in, it was beautiful to watch. In the end his mental focus broke down as it showed in the errors he made, both players were falling off.

Shane Van Boening is human after all.
We are watching one of the greatest players of all time, possibly the greatest.

SS
 
a really great match but. imho. the pool gods predetermined the winner before the match even began......gezzzz, a simple change of the rolls ko got and the story would have been a different outcome for sure.
 
JoeyInCali said:
How about banking that 7-ball with ball in hand? :eek:
Wouldn't a safe be a much better choice ?
The 7-ball was almost frozen to the 8-ball.
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I showed this shot to a mate, who is a national snooker rep and has played at national level in 9-ball as a part timer and he straight away said, play the lay up snooker.

I guess with 3 balls on a table we get so focused on making the out, we may not see the obvious shot. He had an easy BIH safety that would likely have forced a 2 or 3 rail escape with probably 90% chance of getting a better shot than the bank and position that he was left on.

Colin
 
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I love getting lucky and getting good rolls. Yes, there is a pool God.


Shane shot a lousy match in the finals. Sad when you miss a shot with ball in hand.


It's just the way it goes.


Even with the missed bank Shane got lucky and left a tough shot.

Heck, Shane was lucky to even get to the table in that game.

So yes...Shane had luck on his side too.
 
JoeyInCali said:
How about banking that 7-ball with ball in hand? :eek:
Wouldn't a safe be a much better choice ?
The 7-ball was almost frozen to the 8-ball.
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If Shane doesn't go for that bank, he can't win anyway.
...he's a big favorite to make it.
When a man ducks instead of taking a winning shot, it's a pleasure to be hooked.
 
Colin Colenso said:
I showed this shot to a mate, who is a national snooker rep and has played at national level in 9-ball as a part timer and he straight away said, play the lay up snooker.

I guess with 3 balls on a table we get so focused on making the out, we may not see the obvious shot. He had an easy BIH safety that would likely have forced a 2 or 3 rail escape with probably 90% chance of getting a better shot than the bank and position that he was left on.

Colin
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I don't like his chances of getting a better shot...a ball in hand bank into a side pocket...
...every player in that tournament is a healthy favorite to make it.
Snooker is a different consideration altogether...but many snooker pros would play the
double also.
 
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