Top 57 Players on Earth

[spartan]

I wonder if alternate break skews the statistics by making matches closer. I'm guessing that a good part of the tournaments Ko plays in that are recorded by fargo are alternate break, where as a majority of the matches played in the US (and thus more applicable to Americans, Filipinos, and Europeans) are winners break.

That is a good point
Also agree with one stroke and Celtic - while Fargo did say old data is given lower weightage , there should maybe be 2 ratings : one is long term rating (I.e. The rating that is used now ) and second is current rating using recent data only . I think 12 months may even be too long maybe just just latest few months data to compute current rating
I mean the sheer number of top players at top level makes it all highly competitive that it is extremely almost impossible for a player to win more than 1 or 2 major titles per year I.e. The form fluctuates much much faster now . One month's best player may not be best player in next month :grin:

 

[azhousepro]

Snucar, I am searching through all of your posts to find something positive that you have said towards any one or anything here on the forums. No luck so far. Is there a reason that you are here?

Mike

Fargo is pure crap.

 

[djyadj]

Snucar, I am searching through all of your posts to find something positive that you have said towards any one or anything here on the forums. No luck so far. Is there a reason that you are here?

Mike

well said admin, az needs more positive people.

 

[(((Satori)))]

I think fargorate would be a lot better IF they had complete data. As it is Siming Chen is suppose to play better than Skylar Woodward... not going to happen.

I think the data on the Aisian players especially is probably limited.

 

[djyadj]

I think fargorate would be a lot better IF they had complete data. As it is Siming Chen is suppose to play better than Skylar Woodward... not going to happen.

I think the data on the Aisian players especially is probably limited.

They need more time to build the current and recent database, I think if we give them more time this system could be pretty accurate, at least much more valuable than WPA or BCA ranking.

If you watched the recent match-ups/ratings on more active American players, I personally found them to be not a bad source for prediction on the outcome.

Data older than two-three years ago wouldn't be that valuable since young and upcoming new players have surfaced and some old players went downhill, so I'd say give em a year or two to build some database on worldwide events and it'd be much more accurate. At least this is something good for the pool society right? :smile:

 

[(((Satori)))]

They need more time to build the current and recent database, I think if we give them more time this system could be pretty accurate, at least much more valuable than WPA or BCA ranking.

If you watched the recent match-ups/ratings on more active American players, I personally found them to be not a bad source for prediction on the outcome.

Data older than two-three years ago wouldn't be that valuable since young and upcoming new players have surfaced and some old players went downhill, so I'd say give em a year or two to build some database on worldwide events and it'd be much more accurate. At least this is something good for the pool society right? :smile:

We will see. I dont think its too far off as it is. It seems like a pretty cool system but I cant imagine how hard it would would be to keep it updated.

 

[Rhea]

I think fargorate would be a lot better IF they had complete data. As it is Siming Chen is suppose to play better than Skylar Woodward... not going to happen.

I think the data on the Aisian players especially is probably limited.

Are you suggesting that because she is female? She's been playing her entire life, and is the absolute best female player on the planet ever. Why can she not play at the same level or better than Skylar?

 

[one stroke]

We will see. I dont think its too far off as it is. It seems like a pretty cool system but I cant imagine how hard it would would be to keep it updated.

The system is only as good as the info it gets ,, if there was gambling on pool in the USA like thier is in UK Fargo would be a valuable asset to gamblers as a handicap tool and it could be sold like a racing form where it not only gives a rating but comments like DO blew up about Shane wanting the magic rack removed and couldn't make a ball afterwards ,, info like that could be vital handicapping a match because without knowing that predicting odds or games on the wire wont be accurate


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[(((Satori)))]

Are you suggesting that because she is female? She's been playing her entire life, and is the absolute best female player on the planet ever. Why can she not play at the same level or better than Skylar?

The same reason you cant. She ii\s simply not as good as Skylar.

It has nothing to do with male or female.

 

[iusedtoberich]

For comparison, here is Fargorate, AZ money list, and the WPA list. Now, of these 3 major lists, which do you guys think is MOST accurate? Not just for one or two select players, but for all the players? How accurate is each list in "gambling terms"? Which list would you use if you were actually in the action room betting 100 a match? How do the lists hold up in the top 10? How do they hold up in the 50 to 100 range?

Fargorate: http://www.fargorate.com/Home/TopTen

AZ: http://www.azbilliards.com/people/azb-money-leaderboard/2015/all/

WPA: http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/Rankings

 

[one stroke]

Are you suggesting that because she is female? She's been playing her entire life, and is the absolute best female player on the planet ever. Why can she not play at the same level or better than Skylar?

She has light yrs to go before she's the accomplished player Allison is


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[iusedtoberich]

Fargorate: http://www.fargorate.com/Home/TopTen

AZ: http://www.azbilliards.com/people/azb-money-leaderboard/2015/all/

WPA: http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/Rankings

Here is another way to look at it. If you had to bet 100 on every possible matchup on each list's top 100, and use the list to predict the winner of the match....

If you went by the WPA list, I would expect to lose a LOT of money.
If you went by the AZ Moneylist, I would expect to maybe break even.
If you went by the Fargorate list, I would expect to make a LOT of money.

 

[real bartram]

Are you suggesting that because she is female? She's been playing her entire life, and is the absolute best female player on the planet ever. Why can she not play at the same level or better than Skylar?

To have a girl in the top 57 in the world is way off .
And yes no girl would beat skyler day in and day out .
They can beat him sets like races to 9 and 7 .
But if they play a 3 day match no chance .

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Fargorate: http://www.fargorate.com/Home/TopTen

AZ: http://www.azbilliards.com/people/azb-money-leaderboard/2015/all/

WPA: http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/Rankings

Here is another way to look at it. If you had to bet 100 on every possible matchup on each list's top 100, and use the list to predict the winner of the match....

If you went by the WPA list, I would expect to lose a LOT of money.
If you went by the AZ Moneylist, I would expect to maybe break even.
If you went by the Fargorate list, I would expect to make a LOT of money.

You'll just have to bet on every single match to find out.
And the problem arises when you are talking about a couple of points difference where Fargo doesn't really make a difference at all in terms of predicting things.
You are gonna get scalped on those if you you think Fargo is going to determine the winner of 2 players really close in points.

On the other hand, Fargo is most definitely going to predict the winner of 2 players with a substantial points difference with far greater accuracy.

Keeping accurate records of league players in an attempt to halt sandbagging and manipulation is one thing. Keeping track of ratings to determine invitational events is another. Seeding is another.
But other then those, I really don't see the purpose in it unless there is some yearly jackpot for the highest Fargo rated player being #1.

It's just another list.

It's not god.

 

[Solomon]

I find it hard to believe that Shawn Putnam is on the list of the top 57 and Corey Deuel isn't.

 

[iusedtoberich]

You'll just have to bet on every single match to find out.
And the problem arises when you are talking about a couple of points difference where Fargo doesn't really make a difference at all in terms of predicting things.
You are gonna get scalped on those if you you think Fargo is going to determine the winner of 2 players really close in points.

On the other hand, Fargo is most definitely going to predict the winner of 2 players with a substantial points difference with far greater accuracy.

Keeping accurate records of league players in an attempt to halt sandbagging and manipulation is one thing. Keeping track of ratings to determine invitational events is another. Seeding is another.
But other then those, I really don't see the purpose in it unless there is some yearly jackpot for the highest Fargo rated player being #1.

It's just another list.

It's not god.

You know me, I put my money where my mouth is. Check the action room when the US Open starts

But as far as the purpose of the list, you are a chess player. What is the purpose of the chess lists? Are they not a topic of conversation for the fans? How are they at predicting the outcome of two players? Do they add excitement to the game of chess? Sure, no list is god or absolute. But in any game, fans discussing "who is the best", from the local poolroom level, to national level, to the international level, is fun to do, and makes the game being discussed more interesting.

Edit to add, the other lists give way too much weighting to participation. So, the lists became pretty much useless. Take that to an extreme, in our local events, Jose made the Mezz tour years ago give points for participation in the event. And the more you did in succession, the higher the points you were awarded per event. I could have been "player of the year" on his tour as a C player if I simply went to every event, beating out all the legit top players.

 

[corvette1340]

To have a girl in the top 57 in the world is way off .
And yes no girl would beat skyler day in and day out .
They can beat him sets like races to 9 and 7 .
But if they play a 3 day match no chance .

Chris, a lot of these idiots in here don't get the short race vs longer race concept in that it will identify the better player. They don't understand variance and think a short race, alternate break tourney like the world 9-ball determines who the best player is. They also think that a lot of these foreign clowns are better than SVB in rotation games, lol

 

[mikepage]

To have a girl in the top 57 in the world is way off .
And yes no girl would beat skyler day in and day out .
They can beat him sets like races to 9 and 7 .
But if they play a 3 day match no chance .

At age 21, I think we can now refer to Siming Chen as a woman ;-)

I have a lot of respect for your ability to clock player's speed Chris. But I think you be aware of just how dominant the top few women are. Siming is 32 points above the #5 woman Chieh Yu Chao and is 40 points above Jasmin Ouschan, the top non-asian female player.

It will be interesting to see how Ga-Young Kim (766) fares this week in the Tornado Open 10-ball event.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Chris, a lot of these idiots in here don't get the short race vs longer race concept in that it will identify the better player. They don't understand variance and think a short race, alternate break tourney like the world 9-ball determines who the best player is. They also think that a lot of these foreign clowns are better than SVB in rotation games, lol

By your logic on variance, the Fargorate list is better than anything else. The reason is, it counts "every single game" (that it has data for). Forget about a race to 5, or a race to 13. This list counts every game a player has ever played (again, for what it has data for). How can you not give mad props to something that does that?

 

[real bartram]

At age 21, I think we can now refer to Siming Chen as a woman ;-)

I have a lot of respect for your ability to clock player's speed Chris. But I think you be aware of just how dominant the top few women are. Siming is 32 points above the #5 woman Chieh Yu Chao and is 40 points above Jasmin Ouschan, the top non-asian female player.

It will be interesting to see how Ga-Young Kim (766) fares this week in the Tornado Open 10-ball event.

She is a woman .
A woman who has no chance in a long match vs skyler.
Anyway you shape it she does not belong in the top 57 in the world .