Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
So that is a NO.
You didn't get the info from Corey directly.
OK. That's all I need to know.

And you aren't getting any hate from me.
I'm just saying you really shouldn't assume things about other players, as I touched on in the other thread.
Even if you think you know what they are doing and why.
Until you actually work with them and they actually endorse your product, you should just refrain from using them publicly.

That being said, I never assume.
I go right to the source.

I doubt that Corey knows CTE but I am not totally certain. He still might be engaged in CTE , though. You see, you are ignorant of what real CTE IS!! What I am certain about is that you do not know CTE. You talk about it and how it is not apart of Corey's play but in reality you really do not know doo cuddly squat about CTE.....You have not been to this source directly to learn about CTE so practice what you preach.

Stan Shuffett
 
No one has ever stated that adjustments do not occur in CTE. What is true is that adjustments are based on known shots.

For example, if I know a 15 inside, then a little side spin can easily be based on center ball for that 15 I shot.

Stan Shuffett

You typed the word subconsciously, but ignored it completely when i wrote it.

You keep making things up, making assumptions and insinuations, but then get all hurt when you're called on it. Why is that, Stan? Your followers are all over people that do that. It's like trying to deflect criticism by turning the questioners into some kind of assailants.

Just admit that you can't actually provide concrete proof to support your claims. Remember, the first step is accepting there's a problem.
 
You typed the word subconsciously, but ignored it completely when i wrote it.

You keep making things up, making assumptions and insinuations, but then get all hurt when you're called on it. Why is that, Stan? Your followers are all over people that do that. It's like trying to deflect criticism by turning the questioners into some kind of assailants.

Just admit that you can't actually provide concrete proof to support your claims. Remember, the first step is accepting there's a problem.

Good talk!

Stan Shuffett
 
Lou, this is the second time I have had to warn you about baiting someone in a thread here in a very short period of time.

Considering the amount of crap that Stan has gotten in these threads, I don't consider his thoughts irrational.

I would consider one of you obsessive though.

Mike

per·se·cu·tion com·plex
noun

an irrational and obsessive feeling or fear that one is the object of collective hostility or ill-treatment on the part of others.

Lou Figueroa
 
Good talk!

Stan Shuffett

I've asked the same questions repeatedly, yet you and others have nothing but non-responses, but you want respect and feel that you can continue to say whatever you want. Not going to happen.

Provide the proof of your claims that others have either debunked or disputed. I'm sure it'll still be missing in another ten years.
 
I, as many others here, are completely and totally about people getting better and I have written many, many things in this vein.

OTOH, I, and many others here, also don't want people to get worse. To waste precious practice time by going down a rabbit hole to no good end. And there are those of us here that believe that some systems, put out with the best of intentions, could conceivably cripple a player's game for life if they were to some how take the bait, hook, line, and sinker.

Because folks disagree does not make them knockers or haters or wish ill on other players. To the contrary.

Lou Figueroa

LOL the 1st sentence in this paragraph is such bullshit it actually made my computer stink.

Lou, you are completely and totally about being a douche nozzle. You might be able to throw around a couple of decent pieces of knowledge that somehow got stuck to you as you weasled your way in and out of pool halls over the years, but to say you are "completely and totally" about anything positive is nonsense.

So to sumarize:

Lou = douche nozzle
 

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I doubt that Corey knows CTE but I am not totally certain. He still might be engaged in CTE , though. You see, you are ignorant of what real CTE IS!! What I am certain about is that you do not know CTE. You talk about it and how it is not apart of Corey's play but in reality you really do not know doo cuddly squat about CTE.....You have not been to this source directly to learn about CTE so practice what you preach.

Stan Shuffett

Did you really just say doo cuddly squat?
1st off, I am basing my responses on what Corey has told me, nothing else.
One thing is for sure, they are NOT based on my observations.
I could care less about CTE, if CTE works or not, or if CTE is going to make any difference in my ability.

But to be clear, I am not in the habit of observing someone's game and trying to make loose generalized associations about them while comparing how closely what they might do is in accord with what I do, or what I WANT their actions to mean.
You on the other hand, ARE in that habit and you need to be called on it.
It's ridiculous.
All you manage to do by making these associations, is alienate players who might otherwise be genuinely interested in learning.
In the same way Hal used to make some far fetched associations, with absolutely NO corroboration from those players, people start to think your aren't legitimate and are preaching voodoo.
When your CTE umbrella becomes to big and starts to include players simply because YOU think it's appropriate to include them because of what you think, some people can no longer take you seriously.

And again, this is not about CTE and if it works or not.
This is about using people to endorse your product when you shouldn't.

This is what Corey thinks.
Have a good night
 

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Did you really just say doo cuddly squat?
1st off, I am basing my responses on what Corey has told me, nothing else.
One thing is for sure, they are NOT based on my observations.
I could care less about CTE, if CTE works or not, or if CTE is going to make any difference in my ability.

But to be clear, I am not in the habit of observing someone's game and trying to make loose generalized associations about them while comparing how closely what they might do is in accord with what I do, or what I WANT their actions to mean.
You on the other hand, ARE in that habit and you need to be called on it.
It's ridiculous.
All you manage to do by making these associations, is alienate players who might otherwise be genuinely interested in learning.
In the same way Hal used to make some far fetched associations, with absolutely NO corroboration from those players, people start to think your aren't legitimate and are preaching voodoo.
When your CTE umbrella becomes to big and starts to include players simply because YOU think it's appropriate to include them because of what you think, some people can no longer take you seriously.

And again, this is not about CTE and if it works or not.
This is about using people to endorse your product when you shouldn't.

This is what Corey thinks.
Have a good night

Where can I find more info on Corey Deuel's school of pool?
 
Lou, this is the second time I have had to warn you about baiting someone in a thread here in a very short period of time.

Considering the amount of crap that Stan has gotten in these threads, I don't consider his thoughts irrational.

I would consider one of you obsessive though.

Mike

The whole thread since JB got involved has been a bait n switch , I thought that's why we don't have aiming discussions in the main forum


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Where can I find more info on Corey Deuel's school of pool?

He came to So Cal a few years ago to teach a hopeless girl. He was flown in, was paid well for a couple of weeks by her father. He was patient, charming, calm and those that watched him learned some but not the girl. he ran out using the crutch and shot one handed well.

Pay the price and school is in session.
:thumbup:

Oh yeah...no mention of pivoting back to center CB.
 
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Gee, I wonder why the mods would be letting this John Barton Vanity Thread go on and on like this in the Main Forum?

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Because it's not a vanity thread. We are discussing aiming systems around Sam Lambert's poll.

Although......I did just make a SICK bank on the 8 to win a 9 ball set and get the CASH about 30 minutes ago.

My exact words to Chad, my opponent, was "screw it let's see if this aiming system is worth anything." Then I nailed the eight shooting a reverse bank and held the cue ball for perfect shape on the nine.....which of course I lined up with CTE and smoothly shot it right in. The aim was edge to b with a right sweep in case you were wondering.

Thanks CTE for another $50

Sounds like desperation to me when you make it all about me. But let's assume for a second that Mike and Jerry were letting this go on because of me giving away cases to the membership.....what's your problem with that? If that were the case I'd let every manufacturer in pool provide free stuff for the members to win in exchange for a thread once in awhile that they can post in as much as they want to.

But really Pat, what's your problem? Why do you care how long a thread goes on? I answer questions and make comments on the topic. All you do is put people down.
 
My guess is that it was feel players who sometimes use a system for a very specific type of occasional shot like a kicking or banking system. They felt that was probably the best answer since kicking and banking systems and the like are technically systems that are only used some of the time for hard shots. Had the question been more specific about it being only in reference to general aiming systems intended to work for all shots (as I believe was the spirit and intention of the question and what the OP had in mind) and not been so ambiguous then most or all of those would have answered "just feel player" instead.
You and I think alike (as we knew previously). Banking and kicking are not really aiming per se, per this discussion. Thats why I was so intrigued to know what could possibly be a candidate other than ghost ball, or fractions. Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

You are right, you ain't so smart. CTE is used for every shot and it's easier to play with than ghostball.
You are an oaf. I used self deprication as a trap and you took the opportunity to show the world how great you are. PS learn to use multi quote. Its a basic forum ability.

I don't know what the answer is because I just see the shot and shoot. If I'm thinking about anything it's a precise hit on the CB. I'm thinking about speed and spin and elevation and maybe swerve on some shots. Why anyone in their right mind would try to utilize a "system" that still makes no sense whatsoever after two DVDs and 20 years of internet gobbledygook spouted by a few fanatics is beyond me.

Lou Figueroa
This is pretty much where I stand on this. I do respect Stan and Hal. I think the world of Landon's talent. I even somewhat respect John, for his commitment, but not his "enthusiasm". but as Ive said, there is NO less than 50 hour explanation that makes sense.

The whole thread since JB got involved has been a bait n switch , I thought that's why we don't have aiming discussions in the main forum
Also agree. I think the John and Lou show should be curtailed. Its quite obvious neither has the power to let something go, and moderation should be doled out accordingly. I would propose a no fly zone, between the 2. And why this is here baffles me.
 
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