At least you can admit he was a better player than you that day, no?
Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?
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At least you can admit he was a better player than you that day, no?
Sure. You are the better player. Anyone can see that. Here are a few additional photos from our match. Enjoy.
Lou Figueroa
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Well Lou,
I was sort of pulled in with the assertions of a totally objective 'system'. My passion for the game & perhaps my age & eye issues sent me to be Brain Dead for a bit. That did not last too long.
But, besides that, I've been hitting offset for english my whole playing life. It seemed to be a whole lot of 'pieces' to get to center & then not actually want to hit there.
It's like Poolplay9 said, how many times would I ever want to hit with no english. If one is going to hit with english & have the squirt & swerve in play then it basically comes back down to 'feel'.
That said, IF I could be sure to just do the steps & it would take the OB to the center pocket for ALL shots, I would have put it in my tool box. But like the guy in your area, I too saw it as rather hit or miss. Some would be dead center pocket & that was nice, but then the next one was really no where near the pocket doing it objectively without me putting in my subjective input.
JB speaks of HIS experiences. Well that was my experience.
I'm interested, did you try it? Did you give it a look see? Or was it just from critical thinking that you formed you conclusion?
Best Wishes.
John,
SIGH! Again, it seems that you missed the point.
It's not about whether or not one is being honest.
The subject is abstract & video can NOT prove or disprove matters in that realm.
Also, one's subconscious is part of the subject matter & video can NOT show whether or not that is in play or not.
Best Wishes.
John,
I'll only speak for myself. I am not trying to stop anyone from buying, trying, or exploring CTE.
BUT... they should not be enticed to buy CTE by the assertion of it being a totally objective 'system' or method or even 99% so, since that has not been proven in any definitive manner.
So, everyone should just know that that assertion has not been proven nor unproven.
If anyone knows that & wants to buy CTE then they should.
I've said that many times now.
I THINK PJ, Lou, Satorie, 8pack/Anthony & others feel the same way.
Best Wishes.
PS Butch Harmon is one of if not the best Golf 'instructor' in the Nation if not the World.
And a lot of others feel the other way. It is all that Stan advertises, when he does, and more.
Sure. He made less mistakes than I did.
Love them. now that we started the memes I will be glad to share the ones people created about you.
OK, Geez, man.
Tap tap tap. 100% agree.
For Rick it's like when someone says the balls are frozen and Rick would say something like, no they are not frozen, nothing is ever actually touching as there is infinitely divided space between objects.
But for practical purposes the balls are frozen.
Or when someone says that water is wet and another person pipes up and says no technically water itself cannot be wet. Water adhering to other surfaces makes those surfaces wet.
Why is this so hard to understand?
On the pool table where it counts CTE (and any other good aiming method) works by helping the shooter get to the accurate aiming line.
Do I have to understand the chemical makeup of medicine to know whether it worked for me or not? Do I need to understand how a car works to know whether or not it transports me and my stuff as needed? No, I need to know how to drive the car not how it works. My mechanic knows how it works. If it doesn't work then I know that as well and fix or change my transportation.
If this is all to be anecdotal: we have lots of testimonials from satisfied aiming system users and extremely few from people who didn't get much out of aiming systems.
These reviews all count. The positive and negative. If you want Lou's opinion and secondhand story about a player who allegedly tried it and screwed up his game for a couple weeks to be valid then you have to accept the story (and video) of a guy who says he is now beating the ghost and winning more.
That's where you see that it comes down to the practical for any player. Does this work for me? Yes, then continue. Does it not work for me? No then stop.
Actually, I understand it very well. You the know it all pool instructor who wont show himself shooting a game of pool. And now, another instructor has a way of showing folks how to shoot. His kid is a champion of numerous state titles, so yeah, I think he has something to say about how to teach.
And of the two of us, who has actually taken a personal weekend lesson from Stan in regards to CTE ?
Yeah, thanks for playing Rick, but you just wanna argue as if you have all the answers in this complicated game we call pool. There is no one right or wrong way of doing things, and not all folks will get it, just like I can't shoot with a maple shaft anymore.. well, not with English at least.
Remind me what you have done for pool, and who you have taught, and who you trained under, I mean, just for the record. I noticed your signature say you are not a certified instructor but make your own determinations. yeah, it's been determined all right !!!
John,
You're totally wrong with your analogy of me in this post.
I won't address the rest of your disjointed tirade that makes no real point other than to divert from the actual issues that have been the actual topics of discussion
I will say though, that in one breath you & others say that it is the objectivity that sets it apart & then in the next breath ask the question what does it really matter.
The issues is does it or does it not work for the assertion that is said that it does.
One side says, yes, totally (or 99%)
The other side says, no, there is individual subjectivity involved.
Neither can be proven other than through intelligent critical thinking & explanation, but... if one side or the other is not genuinely open to logical explanation, then there will be no resolution.
Hence, the years long CTE 'wars'.
I will say this again. If any individual wants to buy & try CTE then they should certainly do so but also understand that the assertion of CTE being a totally objective system is neither proven nor unproven.
Best Wishes.
Any logical individual would not need to have ever touched a cue or seen a table to make a correct determination regarding the matter of total objectivity vs subjective input regarding CTE.
All one would need do is to watch the 3 or 5 shots perception video.
You've revealed your intentions.
I'l now 'file' you away with that group.
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It does matter in practical terms. That's the point I have been making. So what if any aiming method is 1% subjective. 99% objective and repeatable 1% guessing means that for the task van be done objectively for all practice purposes.
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John,
IF IF IF your estimates were correct then that might be the case.
Answer Dan's question.
Answer TonyTheTiger's question.
Answer Satorie's question.
Answer PJ's question.
Answer 8Pack/Anthony's question.
Answer Panos' question.
Answer Silver Cue's question.
Answer My question.
Colin has a bit of a different but similar. Answer Colin's question.
Answer the question that has been asked by those whose names I don't remember.
Better yet, explain why that question has never been answered...by any CTE advocate nor Stan.
Best Wishes.
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I think there are two main threads of contention about aiming systems (CTE and others):
1. Do they "work"? Can they be the right choice for some players? Are they good for top play?
2. How do they operate? Do they significantly reduce feel in aiming?
I mention this because I think these are separate, independent questions that tend to be conflated into one simplistic hot-button issue: are systems good or bad?
I think the truth is less exciting - aiming methods are a lot alike: each good for some, not for others, none obviously better than the rest, all feel-based, differing mostly in their "user interfaces".
pj
chgo
1. Do they "work"? Can they be the right choice for some players? Are they good for top play?
2. How do they operate? Do they significantly reduce feel in aiming?
I mention this because I think these are separate, independent questions that tend to be conflated into one simplistic hot-button issue: are systems good or bad?
I think the truth is less exciting - aiming methods are a lot alike: each good for some, not for others, none obviously better than the rest, all feel-based, differing mostly in their "user interfaces".
pj
chgo
I agree that the two issues get flip flopped & conjoined seemingly at 'will' by some.
Why, I don't use CTE, why am I assigned to a group ? Your intentions are that you are a pool know it all who can't run 3 balls, and won't even post yourself playing when challenged by Neil. But, please, tell us more on how to play pool Rick, it's just so informative for all your years of expert play and instruction
Yeah, I rattled a straight in shot last time I played a week ago & aiming it wrong was not the reason that I rattled it.
Best 2 Ya.