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Lining up center cue ball and dominant eye
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Sounds Good Gene, 2:00.
Experiment with center ball going just fine........
I want to thank everyone that has input their thoughts on the subject.
Obviously this problem has been seen by many teachers around the country and Dr Dave has the info on his site that this is a problem.
I've worked with about 50 players in this period and have found a definite pattern.
To fix the trouble with getting the cue to the center is pretty hard for many players and at this point it seems to be more problematic for players that are opposite eye dominant for sure. One of those being me.
Just telling the player to get to the center or drawing a line just doesn't get it. They need to know the reason this is happening and then they can fix the trouble permanently.
By getting the dominant eye in the almost too dominant position this can almost immediately be fixed for every single player. That's what my findings show conclusively so far.
It helps that I have this problem myself being cross eye dominant. This effects almost 50% of all players from pro to beginners.
These are the results for myself.
There are 5 weekly tournaments in the twin cities that have been going on for a long time. To try and win everyone of these in one week is pretty ridiculous because there are allot of great players here for sure.
Jesse engle, TJ Steinhaus, Demi Gatatus just to name a few and these guys don't have to win because there are a bunch of other players that knock them out all the time.
By implementing getting my dominant eye in the almost the too dominant position my game personally has gone back off the charts for me.
I won all 5 of these this week.
The last one was last night at Shooters in Burnsville. A handicap tourney that most of the top players never hardly come to because it is too hard to win.
Example. When I play a B player I have to spot them 2 games on the wire. All the breaks and the 5,6,7,8 wild.
Another example. I spot a master player the 7 called and the 8 wild.
it's a tough tourney to win. Each match is a race to 5.
I won the tournament last night and only lost 2 games.
The guy. Igor, was an A player and I had to spot him the 6,7,8 wild and all the breaks.
He won the 2 games during the tourney that I last. He made the 6 ball on the break once and kicked at a ball and made the 7 accidently in another game.
I played Igor in the finals and won 5-0.
To win this tourney losing only those 2 games is pretty ridiculous to say the least and I attribute at directly to actually being able to get to center ball on the cue ball. Something that I have struggled with all my life along with many others.
To win all 5 for the week is off the charts as far a ridiculous.
I'm sure it has been done before but I've never seen it. First a player needs to play in all 5 and then try to get it done.
Point being. The Perfect Aim that I've taught for years it seems, accidently helps with this problem but once you understand the problem and what causes it you can totally solve things and get playing the best pool of your life.
This is helped me get back to a level that I could have only dreamed about until now.
I can't wait to get more feedback from the players that I have worked with.
This will bring their pocketing skills back to the highest level of their whole pool playing career.
The hardest part is most players have no idea what eye is dominant for sure and if they are using the pointing and circle tests to find out which eye is dominant they just don't work accurately. Half swear by them and half swear at them. That's about 50% correct. you might as well flip a coin.
First you have to know for sure which eye is dominant. Then you need to know how to manually get the dominant eye in the most dominant position.
(Just knowing which eye is dominant doesn't help much if you don't know what to do with it?)
And then you need to understand why your having trouble hitting center ball on the cue ball and learn how to position the dominant eye in the almost too dominant position to fix this problem.
You all heard this first on AZ here and it seems so far to be the real deal.
Teaching this in person has been pretty easy and simple to understand.
Don't know how it will go over the phone like my phone lessons with Perfect Aim.
If your having trouble hitting center ball you might not even know it until you raise your head up and look once your down on the shot.
if your not in the center naturally your probably opposite eye dominant?
it can be fixed and for good...............
I want to thank everyone that has input their thoughts on the subject.
Obviously this problem has been seen by many teachers around the country and Dr Dave has the info on his site that this is a problem.
I've worked with about 50 players in this period and have found a definite pattern.
To fix the trouble with getting the cue to the center is pretty hard for many players and at this point it seems to be more problematic for players that are opposite eye dominant for sure. One of those being me.
Just telling the player to get to the center or drawing a line just doesn't get it. They need to know the reason this is happening and then they can fix the trouble permanently.
By getting the dominant eye in the almost too dominant position this can almost immediately be fixed for every single player. That's what my findings show conclusively so far.
It helps that I have this problem myself being cross eye dominant. This effects almost 50% of all players from pro to beginners.
These are the results for myself.
There are 5 weekly tournaments in the twin cities that have been going on for a long time. To try and win everyone of these in one week is pretty ridiculous because there are allot of great players here for sure.
Jesse engle, TJ Steinhaus, Demi Gatatus just to name a few and these guys don't have to win because there are a bunch of other players that knock them out all the time.
By implementing getting my dominant eye in the almost the too dominant position my game personally has gone back off the charts for me.
I won all 5 of these this week.
The last one was last night at Shooters in Burnsville. A handicap tourney that most of the top players never hardly come to because it is too hard to win.
Example. When I play a B player I have to spot them 2 games on the wire. All the breaks and the 5,6,7,8 wild.
Another example. I spot a master player the 7 called and the 8 wild.
it's a tough tourney to win. Each match is a race to 5.
I won the tournament last night and only lost 2 games.
The guy. Igor, was an A player and I had to spot him the 6,7,8 wild and all the breaks.
He won the 2 games during the tourney that I last. He made the 6 ball on the break once and kicked at a ball and made the 7 accidently in another game.
I played Igor in the finals and won 5-0.
To win this tourney losing only those 2 games is pretty ridiculous to say the least and I attribute at directly to actually being able to get to center ball on the cue ball. Something that I have struggled with all my life along with many others.
To win all 5 for the week is off the charts as far a ridiculous.
I'm sure it has been done before but I've never seen it. First a player needs to play in all 5 and then try to get it done.
Point being. The Perfect Aim that I've taught for years it seems, accidently helps with this problem but once you understand the problem and what causes it you can totally solve things and get playing the best pool of your life.
This is helped me get back to a level that I could have only dreamed about until now.
I can't wait to get more feedback from the players that I have worked with.
This will bring their pocketing skills back to the highest level of their whole pool playing career.
The hardest part is most players have no idea what eye is dominant for sure and if they are using the pointing and circle tests to find out which eye is dominant they just don't work accurately. Half swear by them and half swear at them. That's about 50% correct. you might as well flip a coin.
First you have to know for sure which eye is dominant. Then you need to know how to manually get the dominant eye in the most dominant position.
(Just knowing which eye is dominant doesn't help much if you don't know what to do with it?)
And then you need to understand why your having trouble hitting center ball on the cue ball and learn how to position the dominant eye in the almost too dominant position to fix this problem.
You all heard this first on AZ here and it seems so far to be the real deal.
Teaching this in person has been pretty easy and simple to understand.
Don't know how it will go over the phone like my phone lessons with Perfect Aim.
If your having trouble hitting center ball you might not even know it until you raise your head up and look once your down on the shot.
if your not in the center naturally your probably opposite eye dominant?
it can be fixed and for good...............
I think I might be one of those " Few here and there." Unless the cut is more than 30 degrees ( maybe a little less...whatever the degree is where everyone starts missing some) I never aim wrong. I've never aimed wrong since I picked up a cue 44 years ago when I was 11. If I can manage to get a handle on this DEFLECTION AND SWERVE business before cataracts arrive, I'll be pretty good.
Anyway; I just did the circle test about 10 minutes ago. It tell s me I''m right eye dominant. I'm also a right - handed shooter. So I went down to the basement and got down over a shot. No one observed me; but, it sure seemed to me my right eye was DIRECTLY over the shaft. I visualize with both eyes. I do not aim with one eye as a sharpshooter does.
I have no horse in this race. If I had discovered my eye was hanging out somewhere else, I would write about it just the same....just thought you might be interested.
Gene,
Since you missed our appointment can you PM me the new stuff like you did Mirza or was that NOT the new stuff?
If not, the earliest I will be able to reschedule might be Monday & I'm busy Tues.,Weds., & Thurs.
No real rush though. We'll hook up.
You get COMPLETELY Well & Then Stay Well.
PS Congratulations on the 5 in a row. That's awesome, all things considered.
Since you missed our appointment can you PM me the new stuff like you did Mirza or was that NOT the new stuff?
If not, the earliest I will be able to reschedule might be Monday & I'm busy Tues.,Weds., & Thurs.
No real rush though. We'll hook up.
You get COMPLETELY Well & Then Stay Well.
PS Congratulations on the 5 in a row. That's awesome, all things considered.
Got the fix for misalignment on the cue ball......
This is crazy but I've had this problem for about forever.
Got pretty good at adjusting for it as you would squirt or flex from your cue but I was always getting that weird reaction with the cue ball sometimes. That sometimes would usually cost me a match.
I've been working on my fix here in the Twin Cities.
I just won my 7th weekly tournament in a row. I couldn't have even imagined doing this before. This is almost insane.
here I am working out everyday, trying to get my health on track and by fixing this problem starting to play the best pool of my life.
I wish I could go someplace and play in some bigger tournaments but I couldn't handle all the travel and motel rooms right now.
I'm going to continue helping those who call get this alignment trouble on track.
Tomorrow night is wide open. 715-563-8712
Don't be bashful. First call first will get help. After 6:00 PM central time.
This is crazy but I've had this problem for about forever.
Got pretty good at adjusting for it as you would squirt or flex from your cue but I was always getting that weird reaction with the cue ball sometimes. That sometimes would usually cost me a match.
I've been working on my fix here in the Twin Cities.
I just won my 7th weekly tournament in a row. I couldn't have even imagined doing this before. This is almost insane.
here I am working out everyday, trying to get my health on track and by fixing this problem starting to play the best pool of my life.
I wish I could go someplace and play in some bigger tournaments but I couldn't handle all the travel and motel rooms right now.
I'm going to continue helping those who call get this alignment trouble on track.
Tomorrow night is wide open. 715-563-8712
Don't be bashful. First call first will get help. After 6:00 PM central time.
Hi Gene,
I'm Glad you're feeling well & winning.
We missed our appointment & I am not clear. Are you doing something different since the lesson from about more than 6 months ago & do I need an update or have we mis-communicated?
Best 2 Ya & Get Fully Well & Stay Well.
PS I think seeing properly is right there in importance with how one connects to the cue & it's GREAT that you can actually help people that don't even know that they have a problem. I think EVERYONE should get your down load lessons when they are ready.
More news about hitting center ball.........
There seems to be a mixture of right eyed, left eyed, opposite eyed as far as problems getting the cue in the center of the ball.
Very interesting though.
The ones that I just told they needed to get the cue in the center were back to the non center in just a week thinking they were still lined up at center.
The ones that I taught which eye was dominant and showed them how to get to the most dominant position were still getting it done at center after a week.
Unless the dominant eye is not in the most dominant position it is almost impossible for many players to hit center ball. They think they are but are not. The same is true for players lined up on the right of center. They have trouble with the left English.
The main trouble is when your down on a shot you are actually going cross eyed to look at the cue ball. Unless the dominant eye is in the most dominant position the brain is really getting a distorted picture.
This is the real deal.
Many teachers and players and sites that have info on this know that there is a problem and just tell you to get to the center. But to the player it doesn't look right when they just move it over.
The biggest problem though is when you line up and are to the left of the center your never really getting over far enough when you try to put right English on the ball. Your still seeing a little too much to the left.
I'm setting up a pool table at my house and will be doing some videos. Hopefully I can do a utube video on this that will really explain how huge this problem is for a player.
This effects about 90% of all players.
There seems to be a mixture of right eyed, left eyed, opposite eyed as far as problems getting the cue in the center of the ball.
Very interesting though.
The ones that I just told they needed to get the cue in the center were back to the non center in just a week thinking they were still lined up at center.
The ones that I taught which eye was dominant and showed them how to get to the most dominant position were still getting it done at center after a week.
Unless the dominant eye is not in the most dominant position it is almost impossible for many players to hit center ball. They think they are but are not. The same is true for players lined up on the right of center. They have trouble with the left English.
The main trouble is when your down on a shot you are actually going cross eyed to look at the cue ball. Unless the dominant eye is in the most dominant position the brain is really getting a distorted picture.
This is the real deal.
Many teachers and players and sites that have info on this know that there is a problem and just tell you to get to the center. But to the player it doesn't look right when they just move it over.
The biggest problem though is when you line up and are to the left of the center your never really getting over far enough when you try to put right English on the ball. Your still seeing a little too much to the left.
I'm setting up a pool table at my house and will be doing some videos. Hopefully I can do a utube video on this that will really explain how huge this problem is for a player.
This effects about 90% of all players.
Gene,
I have seen, read, and heard different interpretations of you system; but by your statement above, I think you mean the same thing as what I mean by the vision center position. Do you think that is true? If not, what do you think is different?
And do you think a person's vision center position should be in a different place relative to the cue for cuts to the right vs. cuts to the left? This is still unclear to me based on everything I have seen, read, and heard about your system.
Thanks,
Dave
Dave,
Do you have Gene's DVD? Have you purchased it? Has he given you one?
Have you seen it?
If not, would an exchange of material possibly be in order?
At least perhaps for the sake of reference.
Best Wishes to ALL.
Yes. I have seen it. A fellow AZB'er purchased it and sent it to me for my opinion.
Regards,
Dave
The difference is this........
Everyone knows there is a perfect spot that their eyes need to be to envision the shots correctly.
There is also a most correct perfect spot to really zero it in like a scope on a rifle.
The difference is I can show a person exactly where this spot is for them so they can manually enhance their aiming ability.
You sat in on a lesson at Dave's house and got the video from someone but at the time I was doing the lesson I was only halfways there to figuring out the whole picture with the eyes.
I include a letter with every video I send out to call me for a free phone lesson to make sure they understand this 100%.
I kind of like this because it keeps the copy cats from exposing my secret as Patrick tried to do and then you posted his bad interpretation on your site.
You get no info from me. Sorry.
You do a lot of good things for pool but not for me.
I'm redoing my video in the near future. Don't need any secrets exposed.
Everyone knows there is a perfect spot that their eyes need to be to envision the shots correctly.
There is also a most correct perfect spot to really zero it in like a scope on a rifle.
The difference is I can show a person exactly where this spot is for them so they can manually enhance their aiming ability.
You sat in on a lesson at Dave's house and got the video from someone but at the time I was doing the lesson I was only halfways there to figuring out the whole picture with the eyes.
I include a letter with every video I send out to call me for a free phone lesson to make sure they understand this 100%.
I kind of like this because it keeps the copy cats from exposing my secret as Patrick tried to do and then you posted his bad interpretation on your site.
You get no info from me. Sorry.
You do a lot of good things for pool but not for me.
I'm redoing my video in the near future. Don't need any secrets exposed.
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Rick,
Do you have Stan's DVD? Have you purchased it? Has he given you one?
Have you seen it?
If not, would an exchange of material possibly be in order?
At least perhaps for the sake of reference.
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I disagree. In fact, this topic has been given very little or no attention in past instructional material, and many instructors do not focus on this as an important fundamental. I personally think (and it seems like you agree) that accurate and consistent visual alignment is the most important fundamental of pool.
FYI, the drills on the vision center resource page are very useful for this purpose. I and others use them very effectively with students.
That's unfortunate. I was just trying to give you an opportunity to clear up some of the apparent misconceptions concerning what you actually recommend.
Regards, with respect,
Dave
No chalk
I tried that with one of my shafts I have for my main player.
I have a triangle tip on and after shooting 5 racks without chalking and no miss cues
I didn't know if it was me hitting center of cue ball or the fact that magic chalk will stay on the tip for 5 racks.
I didn't wipe the chalk off of the tip when I started the drill because the tip look pretty chalk free to start of with.
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I installed the plastic tip on one of my extra shafts and have used it for about 2 hours of practicing with it.
Hitting center of cue ball has helped my aim.
Personally I think all the stuff about eye dominant might be important but in my opinion you shouldn't really have to focus all that hard on it.
Our brains will automatically adjust once you use some kind of training or training tool.
The training tool that Mike Massey adds in with his DVD works great.
A piece of clear scotch tape over your tip will help anyone who is not hitting center of cue ball and will show the player exactly if they really are having a eye dominant issue.
Once you do that your brain will learn or compensate for what ever issues you are having with your aim.
This can all be done in a matter of minutes or a hell of a lot less time then it took me to write this reply to this thread.
I tried that with one of my shafts I have for my main player.
I have a triangle tip on and after shooting 5 racks without chalking and no miss cues
I didn't know if it was me hitting center of cue ball or the fact that magic chalk will stay on the tip for 5 racks.
I didn't wipe the chalk off of the tip when I started the drill because the tip look pretty chalk free to start of with.
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Up date
I installed the plastic tip on one of my extra shafts and have used it for about 2 hours of practicing with it.
Hitting center of cue ball has helped my aim.
Personally I think all the stuff about eye dominant might be important but in my opinion you shouldn't really have to focus all that hard on it.
Our brains will automatically adjust once you use some kind of training or training tool.
The training tool that Mike Massey adds in with his DVD works great.
A piece of clear scotch tape over your tip will help anyone who is not hitting center of cue ball and will show the player exactly if they really are having a eye dominant issue.
Once you do that your brain will learn or compensate for what ever issues you are having with your aim.
This can all be done in a matter of minutes or a hell of a lot less time then it took me to write this reply to this thread.
So I believe i figured it out. Play most everyday from childhood to senior citizenship + own a pool hall for a few + travel the country several times competing + quit my job to play pool + play 5 tounaments a week against guys with full time jobs= perfect aim. Ha, im goin pro in 3 months. Gene your secret is safe with me!