Same Old Same Old

lfigueroa said:
I am honored to be honored by being honorary whatever.

Lou Figueroa
(burp)
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Thanks, because you are hugely responsible for any spreading and future spreading of CTE around the globe.

I will pay the way for you and PJ to motor west....starts in Chicago and winds through St, Louie and on down to Ok for book release.

Stan Shuffett
 
stan shuffett said:
Visually speaking, spin can be very well defined as to what to see visually between the CB and the object ball.

The feel aspects of spin occur more in the physical domain as in extremely slight adjustments of the V for one's bridge placement.

What is Key in CTE is that the eyes drive the visual and the bridge V naturally follows. Yes, bridge V is feel experienced based for spin. But when the eyes drive the shot the slight V movement that can occur with spin is not much of nothing at a proficient level.

Stan Shuffett
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I'm not sure but what I think you are saying is that "feel" is being used but that feel is limited to determining how much to move the bridge V to get the spin you need.

My point is a larger one. How do you decide that you need spin on some shots and not on others? That's what I'm talking about by "feel." You are using your judgment and that goes beyond the scope of CTE. So when JB says, "Go ahead and duplicate Stan's bank video" it can't be done by a CTE expert unless he knows when to apply spin and when not to. That is only gained from experience in shooting those shots over and over again until you can "feel" the shot (over and over either over the course of a day or over 10 years, gaining experience). How you aim, CTE, ghost, fractional, whatever is irrelevant if it is necessary to use feel or experience in judging the shot.
 
Dan White said:
I'm not sure but what I think you are saying is that "feel" is being used but that feel is limited to determining how much to move the bridge V to get the spin you need.

My point is a larger one. How do you decide that you need spin on some shots and not on others? That's what I'm talking about by "feel." You are using your judgment and that goes beyond the scope of CTE. So when JB says, "Go ahead and duplicate Stan's bank video" it can't be done by a CTE expert unless he knows when to apply spin and when not to. That is only gained from experience in shooting those shots over and over again until you can "feel" the shot (over and over either over the course of a day or over 10 years, gaining experience). How you aim, CTE, ghost, fractional, whatever is irrelevant if it is necessary to use feel or experience in judging the shot.
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You are referencing RECOGNITION SKILLS. Do I use CCB or not......Every player has to tackle the hurdles of recognizing what to do and when. I would classify recognition as more of a mental task than a feel task.

Within in the scope of CTE there are many many reoccurring visuals that directly correspond with how to deal with various situations.

Stan Shuffett
 
lfigueroa said:
I know where you can get some footage of a CTE practitioner and years long ardent advocate of the system.

Lou Figueroa
just tryin' to help
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And some equal footage of a feel player and ardent CTE opponent who practiced every day of his life for hours for balance.

Thanks I will keep that in mind for editing phase.
 
Dan White said:
I'm not sure but what I think you are saying is that "feel" is being used but that feel is limited to determining how much to move the bridge V to get the spin you need.

My point is a larger one. How do you decide that you need spin on some shots and not on others? That's what I'm talking about by "feel." You are using your judgment and that goes beyond the scope of CTE. So when JB says, "Go ahead and duplicate Stan's bank video" it can't be done by a CTE expert unless he knows when to apply spin and when not to. That is only gained from experience in shooting those shots over and over again until you can "feel" the shot (over and over either over the course of a day or over 10 years, gaining experience). How you aim, CTE, ghost, fractional, whatever is irrelevant if it is necessary to use feel or experience in judging the shot.
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No, it is very relevant. If you are aimed wrong then it's highly unlikely that any amount of spin will help you.

The entire point is that you have to AIM correctly in the first place and then if you think you need some spin add it in.

Stan's point is that by using CTE you don't NEED to aim at a pocket or a rail or beyond to aim a bank shot. That's what he shows with the curtain drill. So IF you use those things to aim you likely will not be able to duplicate the video. You will be reduced to pure feel on the aiming part which would then make the spin part mostly useless as it would be guessing on top of guessing.
 
JB Cases said:
Just because you're broke and can't afford to put your money where your mouth is doesn't mean I won't.

If you can borrow some money I will bet you on whether I can duplicate Stan's videos or not.

Until then, I will PAY YOU $100 if you set up a camera straddling the curtains and duplicate Stan's banking video here. You have 24 hours....go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0tp_UnS_g&index=1&list=PLSKV5CK_fziXmQJCXU3-DBYNTadtjZecS
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$100? Even your barking is getting weak.

How about you come to pdx and we play some banks for $1000? You show me your system, ill show you mine. I'm just a poor, little bar league player.

It took him a couple of minutes to do. Duplicate it by 2pm pst today and I'll donate $100 to the BEF. Unless you're saying you don't know this system that makes everything or that knowing the system requires feel.

Edit: oops, maybe i should check to see what time it is when i hit send
 
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Banks said:
$100? Even your barking is getting weak.

How about you come to pdx and we play some banks for $1000? You show me your system, ill show you mine. I'm just a poor, little bar league player.

It took him a couple of minutes to do. Duplicate it by 2pm pst today and I'll donate $100 to the BEF. Unless you're saying you don't know this system that makes everything or that knowing the system requires feel.

Edit: oops, maybe i should check to see what time it is when i hit send
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Damn, missed the window.

Well Anon, if you show up in OKC and can prove who you are I will play you some bank pool. I am not really that good....my personal best is five and out twice in a row in short rack banks.
 
lfigueroa said:
They are trick shots.

No different than wing shots or a bunch of other shots most of us can't do or we'd be putting out trick shot DVDs and winning trick shot competitions. Stan has wasted a lot of time learning to do trick shots and all it proves is that he can do a trick shot.

Lou Figueroa
did I mention
they were
TRICK SHOTS
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Sure, he throws balls out and banks them one, two and three rails under a curtain. Funny that NO one else other than CTE users seem to be able to do it.

did I mention you are dead wrong.

If you think it's only trick shots then you set up the bank shots and bet Stan on who makes them in less tries. I have my $$$ on Stan.

Did I mention none of you of you WILL BET.

In case you didn't read it the first NONE OF YOU - this means YOU Lou - none of you WILL BET.

Not a nickle, not a dime, not a $1000, not $50,000. Not a single one of you so-called "feel" players will dare to take Stan on in a bank shot contest even without a curtain.

Trick shots....you're delusional if that's what you think. D E L U S I O N A L.

I sat there and challenged this man with RANDOM shots that me and Andi picked. Andi is a player from Germany that will DRILL YOU playing straight pool like an F player. He had no idea who Stan is or what CTE is before getting there with me. He doesn't read AZB. He had not hero-worship and no agenda other than to observe.

It was clear to Andi when he tried and failed to beat Stan in most shots tried that Stan was doing something to help him aim that Andi didn't know how to do. And the kicker is that once Stan figured out the aim for a shot that Andi picked out then he could do it more consistently than Andi could because he was aiming the EXACT SAME WAY every time.

So tell me again your delusional take on what Stan is doing and I will remind you again that you won't dare bet on yourself in a shot making contest against Stan. And no one on the planet will bet on you either against him.
 
JB Cases said:
Sure, he throws balls out and banks them one, two and three rails under a curtain. Funny that NO one else other than CTE users seem to be able to do it.

did I mention you are dead wrong.

If you think it's only trick shots then you set up the bank shots and bet Stan on who makes them in less tries. I have my $$$ on Stan.

Did I mention none of you of you WILL BET.

In case you didn't read it the first NONE OF YOU - this means YOU Lou - none of you WILL BET.

Not a nickle, not a dime, not a $1000, not $50,000. Not a single one of you so-called "feel" players will dare to take Stan on in a bank shot contest even without a curtain.

Trick shots....you're delusional if that's what you think. D E L U S I O N A L.

I sat there and challenged this man with RANDOM shots that me and Andi picked. Andi is a player from Germany that will DRILL YOU playing straight pool like an F player. He had no idea who Stan is or what CTE is before getting there with me. He doesn't read AZB. He had not hero-worship and no agenda other than to observe.

It was clear to Andi when he tried and failed to beat Stan in most shots tried that Stan was doing something to help him aim that Andi didn't know how to do. And the kicker is that once Stan figured out the aim for a shot that Andi picked out then he could do it more consistently than Andi could because he was aiming the EXACT SAME WAY every time.

So tell me again your delusional take on what Stan is doing and I will remind you again that you won't dare bet on yourself in a shot making contest against Stan. And no one on the planet will bet on you either against him.
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(yawn) Curtain = Prop

Not the first time they've been used for billiard shots.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HwRMiSEYUt4

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
(yawn) Curtain = Prop

Not the first time they've been used for billiard shots.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HwRMiSEYUt4

Lou Figueroa
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That curtain thing was kind of interesting as a one time deal. Then it got exaggerated out of all proportion as the be all and end all of pool, sigh. Is this really where we are going to take the aiming debate? Will we all have to use broomstics instead of cues and rubiks cubes instead of balls, now?

I don't even think it proves anything, other than that the person using the curtain has either rehearsed certain shots, or has developed an intuition about where the pockets are with limited visual input. But so what? It doesn't prove that the persons aiming method is superior, it doesn't even mean the persons skill is superior. As far as I know it only proves that the person is a skilled player with a well developed intuition or a scammer with too much time on his hands. I don't believe the latter is true of anyone in particular on here, but the shots could be faked by a person like that, if he wanted to. Even if the person isn't a scammer, what does the curtain video really prove? Does it mean that trickshot artists are superior players, because they can jump a ball into a hat or shoe or whatever? Are people now going to hound trickshot artists for their aiming system? After all they can pull off railroad shots, shots out of a hankerchief etc...

I hope I will never have to hear about this curtain nonsense ever again, but I'm not optimistic. It's like seeing the clown/magician/whatever at a childrens party pull a coin out from a persons ear. Not as interesting the thousanth time, is it?
 
Dan White said:
I think someone realized there were no damages.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. An attorney will decide at the appropriate time. But just in case he changes his mind somewhere down the road, I have a very strong suspicion he knows exactly where to have the summons delivered for the appearance in court.
 
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