You-tube ripping us off must read

[Floppage]

Anyone has the equivalent power of YouTube, Google, Facebook, Vpaid Ads. It's based upon impressions and clicks. All that can be done privately with a website. To boot? You get 100% of that revenue, whereas on YouTube, you get a fraction of it.

Yeah, but you can't host a real streaming site on most of the inexpensive hosting providers and the ones that let you will hose you on bandwidth and storage. What you end up doing is putting your site up as a shell to another streaming service and then you get hosed on that end.

Also, you'll need someone with a clue to setup the ad click system for you. Most advertisers won't pay for view (needle drop, impression, etc.) anymore and you are stuck either accepting the click system or the integration method the way amazon likes to advertise. And, once again, someone with at least a partial clue will need to set that up or it falls apart pretty fast.

So yes, you can host it yourself and get 100% of the revenue but then you're going to be paying for infrastructure in one aspect or another.

 

[one stroke]

Anyone has the equivalent power of YouTube, Google, Facebook, Vpaid Ads. It's based upon impressions and clicks. All that can be done privately with a website. To boot? You get 100% of that revenue, whereas on YouTube, you get a fraction of it.

Ya and you only get a fraction of the views ,,, you tube is the crem dela crem



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[Goldy]

Yeah, but you can't host a real streaming site on most of the inexpensive hosting providers and the ones that let you will hose you on bandwidth and storage. What you end up doing is putting your site up as a shell to another streaming service and then you get hosed on that end.

Also, you'll need someone with a clue to setup the ad click system for you. Most advertisers won't pay for view (needle drop, impression, etc.) anymore and you are stuck either accepting the click system or the integration method the way amazon likes to advertise. And, once again, someone with at least a partial clue will need to set that up or it falls apart pretty fast.

So yes, you can host it yourself and get 100% of the revenue but then you're going to be paying for infrastructure in one aspect or another.

Already done. And it's not as much as you think to host your own servers. It's about the same cost as a premium membership at UStream which is $1000 per year. For under $10k a year, you could host the entire worlds billiard videos, and every live streamer. That is how small the market is, actually. $10k gets you about 10 servers, 100TB bandwidth, and 100TB Storage. Just about enough to handle everything.

 

[one stroke]

Already done. And it's not as much as you think to host your own servers. It's about the same cost as a premium membership at UStream which is $1000 per year. For under $10k a year, you could host the entire worlds billiard videos, and every live streamer. That is how small the market is, actually.

Yes a very small market so where is the incentives to attract advertisers to such a small market


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[PETROBOY]

Already done. And it's not as much as you think to host your own servers. It's about the same cost as a premium membership at UStream which is $1000 per year. For under $10k a year, you could host the entire worlds billiard videos, and every live streamer. That is how small the market is, actually.

Even if you had that website running you wouldn't make a fraction of the advertising cash youtube makes because EVERYONE is on Youtube nobody is on pool sites.
This whole thing is one of the major things wrong with pool, everyone wants their cut of the pie and we should be worried about getting pool out to the masses and try to get pool popular again, which in turn brings more money to the sport.

 

[one stroke]

Even if you had that website running you wouldn't make a fraction of the advertising cash youtube makes because EVERYONE is on Youtube nobody is on pool sites.
This whole thing is one of the major things wrong with pool, everyone wants their cut of the pie and we should be worried about getting pool out to the masses and try to get pool popular again, which in turn brings more money to the sport.

You got to love thier spunk , but this is why pool has failed , to many people trying to get a piece of the action ,, does anyone really believe that thier is even a remote chance of them Uniting the pool world ,, Oz and Mark must be getting a real good laugh at all this gibberish ,,
If anyone has the clout to do such a thing they do but until thier is a United front they know achieving such a goal is a wasted effort ,,
In the mean time they put together tournaments for the players and matches and what ever revenue they make they put back into the sport
Iv never once heard about what these 2 Erica and Goldy have planned to put back into the game other than making sure the players have some coffee money
Better come with a much bigger plan than that if they have even a remote chance of players boycotting streaming matches because thier not getting a cup on the back end

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[Goldy]

Even if you had that website running you wouldn't make a fraction of the advertising cash youtube makes because EVERYONE is on Youtube nobody is on pool sites.
This whole thing is one of the major things wrong with pool, everyone wants their cut of the pie and we should be worried about getting pool out to the masses and try to get pool popular again, which in turn brings more money to the sport.

This is a pool site, are you on it?

Secondly, over a million people play pool every day. The fact that pool isn't popular is preposterous accusation. I mean come on. AZBilliards just spent a fourtune moving their server to a better one to handle the load of users that come here. Pool is very stable in the private sector. It is mute in the public eye because of its reputation, not because people aren't playing pool.

 

[Black-Balled]

Yeah. Well, we have a test going on that will be posted here, the results, That YouTube or a Private Website is better.... I'm going to be happy to prove the results for the non-believers.

I will not post the links nor the video at this time, because of sabotage...

But give m 24 hours, and we'll see who wins.

Did he win?

 

[Goldy]

You got to love thier spunk , but this is why pool has failed , to many people trying to get a piece of the action ,, does anyone really believe that thier is even a remote chance of them Uniting the pool world ,, Oz and Mark must be getting a real good laugh at all this gibberish ,,

Pool hasn't failed. Where do you get the notion that it has? More players play today, than they did ever. It is just played outside the world of pool rooms. Their in the local bar, playing.

Iv never once heard about what these 2 Erica and Goldy have planned to put back into the game other than making sure the players have some coffee money
Better come with a much bigger plan than that if they have even a remote chance of players boycotting streaming matches because thier not getting a cup on the back end
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Well a good question. So with this simple minded response, chomp on this simple minded answer. If YouTube is receiving and the industry gets ZERO, or a private entity is receiving and the industry gets ZERO, what difference is it to you?

 

[Goldy]

Did he win?

It is 34 - 29 pistolperez.com -vs- YouTube

 

[Goldy]

Yes a very small market so where is the incentives to attract advertisers to such a small market
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Well we could start with our industry first? Hows that for incentive? What do you think AZ Billiards does with their traffic? They have 90% industry ads, and 10% Google Adsense. Makes perfect sense to me, that our industry gets taken care of first.

 

[Banks]

Well we could start with our industry first? Hows that for incentive? What do you think AZ Billiards does with their traffic? They have 90% industry ads, and 10% Google Adsense. Makes perfect sense to me, that our industry gets taken care of first.

You are so clueless that it hurts to read your posts.

Do you think that there's a reason for the above?

I have advertising revenue and I can tell you that every pool related business that I've approached would sooner eat chalk than pay what a real market rate is. So much so that I haven't even bothered quoting them that number.

So, since you're on to AZB now, not just saying that I can be equivalent to Google.. have you gotten AZB to agree to move all of their videos over to your server?

When your plan fails, do all of the videos disappear or will you be spending the thousands of hours to port them all over or tell people that they can repost them?

 

[Goldy]

You are so clueless that it hurts to read your posts.

Do you think that there's a reason for the above?

I have advertising revenue and I can tell you that every pool related business that I've approached would sooner eat chalk than pay what a real market rate is. So much so that I haven't even bothered quoting them that number.

So, since you're on to AZB now, not just saying that I can be equivalent to Google.. have you gotten AZB to agree to move all of their videos over to your server?

When your plan fails, do all of the videos disappear or will you be spending the thousands of hours to port them all over or tell people that they can repost them?

Why do you keep begging at the notion that we want ALL the industry's videos? That is the farthest from what is being accomplished. Sheeze, just between the streamers there's 50k videos! The post was really to to bring into understanding, that it's a lose/lose situation for the content that is constantly bombarded with advertisements. What is so hard to comprehend that it can be done just as good privately with advancements in technology available to the consumer. Quit being so negative about it. Because all of what was said or what is trying to be accomplished would be better than the current position the videos are in. ZERO DIFFERENCE!

 

[one stroke]

Pool hasn't failed. Where do you get the notion that it has? More players play today, than they did ever. It is just played outside the world of pool rooms. Their in the local bar, playing.



Well a good question. So with this simple minded response, chomp on this simple minded answer. If YouTube is receiving and the industry gets ZERO, or a private entity is receiving and the industry gets ZERO, what is the difference is it to you?

LOL , hey Einstein anyone posting videos is part of the industry ., and if your going to spew gas out your mouth let's see a little backup with that ,, pool halls are closing all the time as well as tables taken out of bars day by day ,, pool table sales per capita are also down ,,
So by all means Goldy locks let's see some numbers to support your pipe dream

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[Goldy]

LOL , hey Einstein anyone posting videos is part of the industry ., and if your going to spew gas out your mouth let's see a little backup with that ,, pool halls are closing all the time as well as tables taken out of bars day by day ,, pool table sales per capita are also down ,,
So by all means Goldy locks let's see some numbers to support your pipe dream

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I beg to differ. Diamond Billiard Products has record sales over the last year. Pool Room's are closing because of the room owners unwilling to change for the future, thinking pool has to remain part of some hustling gambit to survive. The rooms that are still open today were smart and adapted to the change of the generation. Also rooms have closed in areas where the economy was out of their control. Go meander in the Room Owner Discussion threads, and you'll learn that even though rooms are closing, there are new ones opening. Pool isn't going anywhere anytime soon. What remains in flux is the organization of people that can or could run 1 set of ethics for the sport in the United States. Hence why we have a huge opportunity in the online world to turn it around leveraging technology. It may not be the hustling action of the 60s 70s and 80s, but by golly we better grasp technology by the balls and use it the way it's intended to be used. Thinking that YouTube is gonna save freaking pool's reputation is laughable, nor organize efforts in the United States.

 

[Goldy]

So by all means Goldy locks let's see some numbers to support your pipe dream

From the #'s i've seen. A great comparison private versus public streaming services.

Tvmike = 100k unique Visitors (we can't use all the data, as mobile devices). But millions of pageviews since 2010

OSPN = 40k unique, and 800,000 pageviews since 2011

APBGLOBAL (OSPN RESTART), 14k unique and 100,000 page-views over 10 networked sites, since Jan 2015.

 

[PETROBOY]

This is a pool site, are you on it?

Secondly, over a million people play pool every day. The fact that pool isn't popular is preposterous accusation. I mean come on. AZBilliards just spent a fourtune moving their server to a better one to handle the load of users that come here. Pool is very stable in the private sector. It is mute in the public eye because of its reputation, not because people aren't playing pool.

You missed my point, EVERYONE is on YOUTUBE not just pool players but anyone with a computer. Why would people advertise on a pooltube site when there is so many more people on youtube? You say 1 million people play pool and only a fraction of that watch pool videos and its reported that 1 BILLION people use YOUTUBE a month. Then there is no money to share with anyone and less people see how great pool is if its not on the big site. The players all play for the tournament winnings or appearance fees they get not for any share of money made off a video of it. No pro sport I can think of other then Fighting do players get PPV money or royalties. Those players have a salary and that's what they get paid no matter if the games get aired. The leagues and teams make that money not the players. More people are going to watch matches on Youtube which grows more interest in the sport then if the videos were on a site like the OP has. Does the OP make any money on her site at all? Do the people who put the videos on Youtube make the money? are they not considered part of the pool industry?

 

[PETROBOY]

If golf courses close but more people play Putt Putt would golf be doing better then ever?

 

[one stroke]

From the #'s i've seen. A great comparison private versus public streaming services.

Tvmike = 100k unique Visitors (we can't use all the data, as mobile devices). But millions of pageviews since 2010

OSPN = 40k unique, and 800,000 pageviews since 2011

APBGLOBAL (OSPN RESTART), 14k unique and 100,000 page-views over 10 networked sites, since Jan 2015.

Boy I hope they don't spend that money in one place


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[PETROBOY]

From the #'s i've seen. A great comparison private versus public streaming services.

Tvmike = 100k unique Visitors (we can't use all the data, as mobile devices). But millions of pageviews since 2010

OSPN = 40k unique, and 800,000 pageviews since 2011

APBGLOBAL (OSPN RESTART), 14k unique and 100,000 page-views over 10 networked sites, since Jan 2015.

That's only 150 000 people compared to 1 Billion on Youtube, I think the players should be playing for more money but this idea that they will get 500k in advertising is foolish. What major company would ever think of Advertising there when so many more are on Youtube?