This is completely ridiculous.
Good god I wonder why I keep bothering.
I get people saying that cues don't bend and now I get this non-sense.
Keep your custom cues, I'll keep my production cues.
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Has the quality difference between "custom" and "production" become negligible?
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This is completely ridiculous.
Good god I wonder why I keep bothering.
I get people saying that cues don't bend and now I get this non-sense.
Keep your custom cues, I'll keep my production cues.
99.9% radially consistent ?
What was the .1% ?
The tree had a bad day ?
Gotta love the hype.
Years ago, a golf club tester brought an expensive club tester to the shop.
It held clubs and kept the ends in bearings.
The jig would spin the club over and over again to the same spot when they were bent and locked in the front .
Every club had a sweet spot.
We did the same test on shafts and made a conclusion that day.
What was the .1% ?
The tree had a bad day ?
Gotta love the hype.
Years ago, a golf club tester brought an expensive club tester to the shop.
It held clubs and kept the ends in bearings.
The jig would spin the club over and over again to the same spot when they were bent and locked in the front .
Every club had a sweet spot.
We did the same test on shafts and made a conclusion that day.
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99.9% radially consistent ?
What was the .1% ?
The tree had a bad day ?
Gotta love the hype.
Years ago, a golf club tester brought an expensive club tester to the shop.
It held clubs and kept the ends in bearings.
The jig would spin the club over and over again to the same spot when they were bent and locked in the front .
Every club had a sweet spot.
We did the same test on shafts and made a conclusion that day.
So, what is your shaft's deflection at 50"? Surely you were told precisely the specs of your shaft when you bought it and, of course, they will be exactly the same when you buy another one.
http://www.predatorcues.com/technique/
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Ask Ronnie Sullivan that after he shoot a 147.
Or that kid in the pool hall who kicks your azz with a sneaky pete .
Then you can ask Pred for their flex test on every pie laminate in your shaft. That to make sure they all have the same flexibility .
Then ask them their weight a piece. To make sure they all weigh the same .
Surely, you were told that when you bought it .
This really isn't an argument.
When companies like Predator want a true special edition made they head straight to Jacoby, Mezz, PFD, Pechauer, Samsara, ect.. They don't engineer and design it themselves.
All of the cues I purchased were middle to top of the line for a particular brand and most of them were engineered to perform rather than just look pretty.
Are the quality standards of production cues at the level of someone who builds custom for a living (not working out of his garage)? The only production pieces that I believe were at that level are the Predator LE-3 and OB 121. The rest had finishing problems, joint problems, poor wood quality used for shafts.
I don't have a problem with production cues but if anyone truly believes all of these manufacturers care about producing the best possible product, you're sadly mistaken. It's the best possible product for the lowest cost.
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When companies like Predator want a true special edition made they head straight to Jacoby, Mezz, PFD, Pechauer, Samsara, ect.. They don't engineer and design it themselves.
All of the cues I purchased were middle to top of the line for a particular brand and most of them were engineered to perform rather than just look pretty.
Are the quality standards of production cues at the level of someone who builds custom for a living (not working out of his garage)? The only production pieces that I believe were at that level are the Predator LE-3 and OB 121. The rest had finishing problems, joint problems, poor wood quality used for shafts.
I don't have a problem with production cues but if anyone truly believes all of these manufacturers care about producing the best possible product, you're sadly mistaken. It's the best possible product for the lowest cost.
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It has NOT hurt SVB's games one bit. So, I'm thinking it is the Indian more than the arrow.
yes, we already know Indians don't like crooked arrows, but I've never run across a crooked American Production cue yet.
Let's ask Earl.:grin:
What's actually "non-sense" is your complete and utter ignorance to the, processes and the industry of cue making in general. It shows in your argument and THAT is something that definitely is NOT worth arguing with YOU about... Maybe if/when you you have more experience with quality custom makers your ignorance may start to fade.... Good luck with that...
It's not a patent. It's a trademark.
Sorry for the correction.
Carry on.
Interesting stuff.
Sure.
The day I see a cue from a custom cue maker that matches the LD tech of high end cue companies I’ll believe it.
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LOL. Never owned a moochie
but folks that play with them love them as much as the folks with SW's. Bottom line, ok, some customs are better made than some production cues, but certainly some production makers are better than some customs makers.
I can give you a laundry list of "piss poor" custom cue makers. For every great out there like Hercek, Tascarella, Black Boar,etc, there are 10 hacks that consider themselves "custom" cue makers.
And even some other custom makers we can't even "judge", cause they never actually deliver the cue
But if my OB sneaky pete falls apart after 10 or 15 years, (seriously doubt it would) I'll just buy another one, pretty simple really. It's NOT a huge investment.
That statement just proved my point.... If you like what you use that's great. I'm happy for you. Just retire you need to make ANY argument regarding the quality or performance of cues in general because you're not "armed" with ANY pertinent information...
Sam,
Some people aren't convinced that LD is better. The same goes with aiming systems, gloves, magic chalk and other "improvements". Heck some people aren't convinced that cues make that big a difference at all.
Mosconi ran 526 with a Rambow, no glove, regular chalk on nappy cloth.
And his case let the cues rattle. OMG....eeeeeeeeeek
JV
Some people aren't convinced that LD is better. The same goes with aiming systems, gloves, magic chalk and other "improvements". Heck some people aren't convinced that cues make that big a difference at all.
Mosconi ran 526 with a Rambow, no glove, regular chalk on nappy cloth.
And his case let the cues rattle. OMG....eeeeeeeeeek
JV
LOL. Never owned a moochie
I loved my Meucci cue. I thought it played fantastic. I really did, THEN I played with my first Schon THEN Szamboti and South West and Balabushka and Cognoscenti and Tascarella and Josey and Searing and Schick and Hercek and Gina and Kikel and Bender and Mobley and Manzino and MANY MANY more that have come though my hands and I realized there was an upside....
Would this hold true for cars? Which would you rather have mass produced Camaro or a Bugatti? A Ford Mustang or a Ferrari?
The LD tech that is a hole at the end and really thin lightweight nylon ferrule.
I bet it's rocket science to drill a 3/8 hole by 5" deep to run a carbon fiber tube down there too if that float your boat.
Someone tell Ko Pin Yi to stop playing with a SW with 1" ferrule.
He can't play a lick with it .
I do not know what the pool world is like but in the billiard world the vast majority of production cues above the barest entry level have laminated shafts. That IS the standard shaft in billiards. For example, any Hanbat over about $150 has their plus-5 laminated shaft.