Pro level players that post frequently on this forum?

BmoreMoney said:
When I'm playing I'd probably put myself in the same range as you. As others have said I don't think someone's speed can be judgedone by one set, a tournament at that. I know I've played in tournaments and had lost interest so bad people would put me at like an apa 4 lol. Jaden played my buddy when he was out here in Baltimore........ and lost. My buddy plays a little better than I do. For the record it's apples to oranges though because they were playing straight pool and I'm certain either of them could give me 75 going to 100 because I do not play that game at all. Fwiw , my buddy did say Jaden was a very good player.
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I agree which is why I said it could just be from this match. I definitely know you can't base a person's play by one match or tournament. There have been times in practice where I have shot pro speed, but then I could play like an APA 5 or whatever like you mentioned in a tournament. It happens. I remember once just goofing around with buddies I put a 4 pack on them in 8 ball and broke and ran like 6 out of 8 racks. It was pretty crazy. Does that make me a pro?? NOPE lol. People just don't like to be criticized about their game even when someone is friendly/honest about it. I've come to realize you just can't care what people think and just go out and play your game. I played this game for fun, not to try to go pro when I was playing a lot and really felt my game was at close to a B when I was hitting them strong. From the video I saw (which doesn't necessarily mean shit like I've said over and over)...it was not semi pro. So what right? Who cares really? Just shoot the damn 9 in the corner and smile ;)
 
I agree...

nine_ball6970 said:
I would think a semi-pro would be someone in the 680-720 range on Fargo based on players in my area. Guys who can beat pros when they are playing well but wont get there too often in the long term.
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I agree with your assessment here...

Jaden
 
For the record...

justinb386 said:
Okay, thanks. So, how many US players would you say are in their speed of play (within a balls range, if you know what I mean). I am talking about rotation pool (9 ball, or 10 ball). Thanks.
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In the handicapped tourneys in OKC, I played even with them....

Jaden
 
justinb386 said:
I have a question that is again, completely off topic (but I guess it is okay, since I am the OP). Do you all think that a player like Chip Compton is Pro level, or Semi Pro speed? Just curious on your opinion of players like him and his speed of play. By "speed", I mean level of play. Thanks.
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I don't know about Chip Compton, never seen him play. Didn't he have a onehole match with TREX a while back? Not sure how that went, but he must play pretty strong to take a shot at a player like TREX.

Your question reminded me of Chris Bartum posting here that he does not consider himself a pro speed player. Considering how strong he plays (and I would say that he is pro speed), that should speak volumes. Not too many are barking at him to play either.

In any event, "pro" speed is a moving target. Precious few can make a living playing this game, therefore, few are pros. I would be really curious how many players in the US do more than eek out, say even 30k a year playing pool net of expenses. Prolly very few indeed.
 
justinb386 said:
Okay, thanks. So, how many US players would you say are in their speed of play (within a balls range, if you know what I mean). I am talking about rotation pool (9 ball, or 10 ball). Thanks.
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Chip Compton is 749 and Joey Gray is 726. I am sure Mike Page could give you a list but I would think in the neighborhood of 50 or so about a ball in either direction of Chip. I could be way off but that would include players like Jeremy Jones, Sylver Ochoa, Charlie Bryant, Robb Saez, Chris Bartrum, etc.
 
Jaden said:
In the handicapped tourneys in OKC, I played even with them....

Jaden
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Are you saying that if they were ranked a 13 (playing 9 ball), you were also ranked at a 13? If that is the case, then how well did you do (having to give up so much weight to other players that may have been ranked like a 9 for example)?
 
i cashed in a couple of them...

justinb386 said:
Are you saying that if they were ranked a 13 (playing 9 ball), you were also ranked at a 13? If that is the case, then how well did you do (having to give up so much weight to other players that may have been ranked like a 9 for example)?
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I cashed in the couple I played in and was always a calcutta pick prior to my name being called. I think the best I did was a 5th place finish...

Jaden
 
jalapus logan said:
I don't know about Chip Compton, never seen him play. Didn't he have a onehole match with TREX a while back? Not sure how that went, but he must play pretty strong to take a shot at a player like TREX.

Your question reminded me of Chris Bartum posting here that he does not consider himself a pro speed player. Considering how strong he plays (and I would say that he is pro speed), that should speak volumes. Not too many are barking at him to play either.

In any event, "pro" speed is a moving target. Precious few can make a living playing this game, therefore, few are pros. I would be really curious how many players in the US do more than eek out, say even 30k a year playing pool net of expenses. Prolly very few indeed.
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Yeah, I understand, and that is why I used the term "Pro level", and not just "Pro" (meaning a person that plays full time for a living). A player can be pro level, but not a pro (because he does not play full time for a living). I think in order to be an actual pro, you have to really be a champion player (like Justin Bergman, Skyler Woodward, Mike D., SVB to name some examples). Here is a vid of Chip Compton match, if you are curious how good he plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmykHnCCY-M

I think these guys actually play much stronger then their showings in that match though. They were just goofing off I think (or not really in full mode focus, and trying their best), because they are always in the road together, and are probably splitting any money that is made (I imagine, but that is just a guess).
 
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Tbh...

i could give two ****s what anyone on this forum thinks about my game...

What I DO care about are the people that will listen to the know nothing jack offs and won't learn something that can help them because of it.

I CARE about this game and I want people to get better.

I want people to love the game as much as I do...

And learning how to improve is one way of doing that.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
i could give two ****s what anyone on this forum thinks about my game...

What I DO care about are the people that will listen to the know nothing jack offs and won't learn something that can help them because of it.

I CARE about this game and I want people to get better.

I want people to love the game as much as I do...

And learning how to improve is one way of doing that.

Jaden
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I'm not sure if this is in reference to me BUT if it is, your post #60 in regards to my post pretty much says the exact opposite of this above even though I mentioned it could just be that match. I've done a lot in the pool community with coaching league play, posting helpful tips every now and again and I also care about this game. I try to help people whenever I can on here IF I can. I even remember a long time ago I created a cuemaker directory and spent hours and hours putting it together for free for the people on this site without asking for anything in return. I was just glad I could help out people with searching for their info. I'm not sure why you are freaking out about all of this showing your @ss when a couple of people mention they didn't think you were semi pro speed? Oh well...last post to you on this. Keep shooting and try not to let posts get to you. I know I sure don't, especially about my play. I just keep playing for the love of the game.
Matt
 
Just so everyone here is clear about how I play, on a scale of A - F, I would definitely be about a 3.14159265359.
 
Jaden said:
i could give two ****s what anyone on this forum thinks about my game...

What I DO care about are the people that will listen to the know nothing jack offs and won't learn something that can help them because of it.

I CARE about this game and I want people to get better.

I want people to love the game as much as I do...

And learning how to improve is one way of doing that.

Jaden
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Yeah, who cares. Just play the game (because you love to shoot), and if you care about getting better, then work really hard on some great (very boring) drills. I never had the patience to do the boring drills, and that is why my game never got better (past what I think to be an average B speed). I did play really strong when I was a kid (and never did any drills). I just watched and learned from the very strong players that went to the local university in my home town, and imitated their style of play. But I understand that without a lot of really hard work (and some needed natural ability, plus the need of self confidence), it is basically impossible to be able to compete at a high level. Players like Bergman and Woodward did all of the boring drills, and received really great instruction from the very best, and that is why they are champions.
 
Spimp13 said:
I'm not sure if this is in reference to me BUT if it is, your post #60 in regards to my post pretty much says the exact opposite of this above even though I mentioned it could just be that match. I've done a lot in the pool community with coaching league play, posting helpful tips every now and again and I also care about this game. I try to help people whenever I can on here IF I can. I even remember a long time ago I created a cuemaker directory and spent hours and hours putting it together for free for the people on this site without asking for anything in return. I was just glad I could help out people with searching for their info. I'm not sure why you are freaking out about all of this showing your @ss when a couple of people mention they didn't think you were semi pro speed? Oh well...last post to you on this. Keep shooting and try not to let posts get to you. I know I sure don't, especially about my play. I just keep playing for the love of the game.
Matt
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I don't know but it may have been directed towards me because we have had some spirited debates on here in regards to the true benefits of taking lessons. He advocates lessons as the best way of getting better and that is fine. I've always been in the camp of playing real world ( gambling ) will ultimately produce a better overall player than one who takes lessons. I've always said that I thought lessons were a very good way for a beginner or complete novice to have something to build off of but by getting out there and matching up is where you get the skills one truly needs. It's all good either way as long as it gets you playing.

As far as everyone always talking about " what have you done for pool " - that has always evaded me. I honestly just don't get that one. Sure, if someone wants to go out and promote pool that's great, really it is. But I've never felt it is my responsibility nor any other pool players " to give back to pool or however one may want to word it. Sure I take kids that are relatives or friends of the family and introduce them to the game, show them how to hold the stick and explain the rules to them. If they take to it and have fun ill take them to the pool hall occasionally. That's for them, for their enjoyment though - not because I am trying to create the " next generation" of players. Hope I'm not sounding like a dick but I just don't get all of that.
 
Jaden,

You obviously care - otherwise you wouldn't be so quick to point out that you're a semi-pro player.

So you're basically implying that you play Chip Compton/Joey Gray speed. I don't buy that.

Why do I even care? I'm not really sure but I think part of it is I have SO MUCH respect for the guys that play top tier pool that I feel like it cheapens their accomplishments when people lump their game in with these players.

Maybe you don't deserve this but I think you brought it on yourself.
 
No I'm not...

BasementDweller said:
Jaden,

You obviously care - otherwise you wouldn't be so quick to point out that you're a semi-pro player.

So you're basically implying that you play Chip Compton/Joey Gray speed. I don't buy that.

Why do I even care? I'm not really sure but I think part of it is I have SO MUCH respect for the guys that play top tier pool that I feel like it cheapens their accomplishments when people lump their game in with these players.

Maybe you don't deserve this but I think you brought it on yourself.
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When I was traveling for work all the time and basically doing nothing but playing, I played a hair under their speed.

And really I don't care what you BUY... They know me. At least they would if they saw me.

Joey tried and really liked the way my tips hit.

Ask Sean King how I play... Ask Max Eberle.... Ask any number of players...

So you can buy whatever you ****ing want, but that doesn't change the reality...

I've already said, I CARE what those who can gain from the knowledge I provide think...If your and other dipshits that don't think I'm as good as I am or as knowledgeable as I am influence them and it hurts their game, then I CARE...

Your personal opinion of me? I couldn't give two shits about.

Jaden
 
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Wow.

I've never called someone out on here before now when it comes to their game but your opinion of your game is so off base. You try to add credibility to your posts by stating how well you play. You would be better served just letting the substance of your posts speak for themselves.

You don't cue or even play the shots that a 700+ Fargo Rated player would play. You can't hide that.

Now I'll leave it alone.
 
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