Playing Safe - The Intent is the Factor - APA

[GeoEnvi]

I don't care about championships or leagues or any of that. I have won more trophies than you have toes and fingers, many times over.

No one cares that you were Schwanbauk County Champion back in 1989. What good is a trophy? You can't take it to the bank and use it as collateral for a mortgage. You can't buy a steak dinner with it. Trophies collect dust.

Never mind the fact that a lot of boastful claims on this forums are nothing more than weak popcorn farts.

 

[Celophanewrap]

Richard Black - A very fine cue maker
(On the left, 1 photo)

Titlist - an old one piece cue that has become very sought after to be restored and dressed up
(on the right 3 photos) note the veneers. This is a very cool cue

 

[HawaiianEye]

No one cares that you were Schwanbauk County Champion back in 1989. What good is a trophy? You can't take it to the bank and use it as collateral for a mortgage. You can't buy a steak dinner with it. Trophies collect dust.

Never mind the fact that a lot of boastful claims on this forums are nothing more than weak popcorn farts.

I agree that trophies do nothing but collect dust. That is why I gave all mine away right after I won them.

That is another reason I don't play league pool. I don't want or need any trophies. I also don't need any little patches saying "I ran a 9-ball rack" or anything of the sort. If I had a patch for every one of those things they give out, I'd have enough to make some quilts and go into the quilt making business.

There is nothing wrong with the leagues that couldn't be sorted out to make better players out of the members, but money-making for the league operator seems to be the biggest thing on their mind. I've yet to see any of them provide free training for the members.

 

[Banks]

There is nothing wrong with the leagues that couldn't be sorted out to make better players out of the members, but money-making for the league operator seems to be the biggest thing on their mind. I've yet to see any of them provide free training for the members.

That's filthy liberal thinking right there. Don't go letting the npr guys know you said that.

 

[Celophanewrap]

That's filthy liberal thinking right there. Don't go letting the npr guys know you said that.

Why are liberals filthy? I happen to know some that bathe and shave daily. Now certainly liberals have their "Hippy" element, the "String Cheese" people that hardly bathe at all, but conservative have the trailer park folk that don't want nuttin' to do wit' no revenuers'. Hell, they only take their "all-over" bath once a year right before Christmas. Your normal Liberals ain't no filthier than your normal conservatives.
and jus' sos' you know, King Kamehameha was a Liberal

 

[The Renfro]

Well I really hope you are better at pool than reading comprehension.

Explain to me why you would expect a shot you were shooting at to make would be marked as a defensive shot to begin with?

Maybe I am just too new to the game as I have only really played for 3 years, but does the shot difficulty have some factor into the scoring of a game like it is for Olympic Gymnastics?

Reading comprehension? when you posted earlier that I had made a statement about the APA rules themselves? LOL Dee dee derrr....

I am sure this will likely go right over your head again since it did once already....

Because if I am shooting the 5 railer and I have a straight in shot because your 8ball is locked up in jail I am playing a 2 way and while I am giving it my best it really doesn't matter if it goes.... I get to keep my ball on the table and you get no shot... And no one marked defense.. And I got an inning in....

¨ A player is left with a virtually impossible shot but does the best he can to try to make it
anyway.

Straight from the APA's own guide......

 

[Skippy27]

Richard Black - A very fine cue maker
(On the left, 1 photo)

Titlist - an old one piece cue that has become very sought after to be restored and dressed up
(on the right 3 photos) note the veneers. This is a very cool cue

And yet, they all do the exact same thing just as well as the other guys. Well some do part more of your money, but they certainly don't put a ball in a pocket any better.

As the other poster mentioned I don't know who those people are because I don't care and because they have not done enough for pool to be known by those outside the custom forum. However, even before I ever picked up a pool stick I knew who the great pool players were. So I am not a fool to be parted from his money so I can exclaim to the world I have so and so's custom cue, all while trying to pretend I am humble and don't care about such things, but I am one who knows who the greats are and were.

 

[Skippy27]

Because if I am shooting the 5 railer and I have a straight in shot because your 8ball is locked up in jail I am playing a 2 way and while I am giving it my best it really doesn't matter if it goes.... I get to keep my ball on the table and you get no shot... And no one marked defense.. And I got an inning in....

¨ A player is left with a virtually impossible shot but does the best he can to try to make it anyway.

Straight from the APA's own guide......

The comprehension part was based on you saying "trying to make". At that point it really doesn't matter because if you are trying to make a ball, then it is not defense regardless of how hard of a shot it is.

It would be no different if I have a ball sitting in a corner pocket wide open and I have one that is "stuck" behind one of yours in another. If I just happen to get a leave on the stuck one that allows me to break it out and possibly make it by a bank, tough cut or even a combo/carom shot and I take that, it does not equate to a defensive shot if I miss because I was trying to make it. It was a good 2 way shoot, just as your 5 rail example. If I make it, I continue. If I don't, I am in a better position (hopefully).

 

[Celophanewrap]

And yet, they all do the exact same thing just as well as the other guys. Well some do part more of your money, but they certainly don't put a ball in a pocket any better.

As the other poster mentioned I don't know who those people are because I don't care and because they have not done enough for pool to be known by those outside the custom forum. However, even before I ever picked up a pool stick I knew who the great pool players were. So I am not a fool to be parted from his money so I can exclaim to the world I have so and so's custom cue, all while trying to pretend I am humble and don't care about such things, but I am one who knows who the greats are and were.

I think everyone would love to upgrade their stuff when they can and especially if they see something that catches their eye. The cues I play with are well cared for and I might have one or two that I call legacy cues that I will pass on down to to my kid even if she doesn't play pool, it'll just be something that belonged to daddy that she can always keep and maybe she'll pass on to her kids. The really nice ones, the real ornate cues that might be laced with gold or have diamonds, I suppose they're nice to have. If I did own something like that I can't imagine that I'd ever play with it, but it would be great to have in my collection

 

[sbpoolleague]

"Safety" and "defense" are not synonymous.

There are two types of shots in APA. The first is one that could be described as "offense". This is when a player's intent is to legally pocket his/her object ball. The second kind of shot is basically everything else.

Kicking at a ball "just to make a legal hit" clearly is not an offensive shot, therefore it must be defensive.

Close, but I would put it this way. There are two types of MISSES in the APA. Deliberate misses and non-deliberate misses. A non-deliberate miss results in the inning count going up for a player, while a deliberate miss does not. If it were up to me, I would replace the wording on the score sheet from "Defensive shots" to "Deliberate misses". All safeties are deliberate misses (in the eyes of the APA).

 

[PocketPooler]

My apa team can beat up your apa team

 

[Banks]

Why are liberals filthy? I happen to know some that bathe and shave daily. Now certainly liberals have their "Hippy" element, the "String Cheese" people that hardly bathe at all, but conservative have the trailer park folk that don't want nuttin' to do wit' no revenuers'. Hell, they only take their "all-over" bath once a year right before Christmas. Your normal Liberals ain't no filthier than your normal conservatives.
and jus' sos' you know, King Kamehameha was a Liberal

Just an npr crack, nothing serious.

 

[BmoreMoney]

I've never really thought about it but recently in two threads I've heard people talking about having two teams a week, one for " normal " play where they try to win and a second for managing handicaps. So you can have a Tues night 9 ball team and play to win and a weds night 8 ball team where every team member has 10 innings each and every game - and loses every game? I'm sure it may not be ethical but do people consistently do this and get away with it without any problems?

 

[Celophanewrap]

Just an npr crack, nothing serious.

Yeah, I know. I was thinking the guy that says that all the time is overlord, but I've a feeling that's wrong, he's a big Trump guy though.

 

[rookiepsu]

I've never really thought about it but recently in two threads I've heard people talking about having two teams a week, one for " normal " play where they try to win and a second for managing handicaps. So you can have a Tues night 9 ball team and play to win and a weds night 8 ball team where every team member has 10 innings each and every game - and loses every game? I'm sure it may not be ethical but do people consistently do this and get away with it without any problems?

Handicaps are separate between 8b and 9b, in APA and TAP (at least), so I don't know what good that would do.

 

[justadub]

Handicaps are separate between 8b and 9b, in APA and TAP (at least), so I don't know what good that would do.

What he is saying is that people can play in multiple APA 8-ball (or 9-ball) divisions, on different nights. The scores from all their matches will be sent in to National, thus in theory affecting their Skill Level.

No idea if there are safeguards to prevent this or not. One would assume so. And why would they bother to let everyone know that it isnt going to work, this way they get an extra weeks play/pay from those who think it does help them....

 

[Banks]

What he is saying is that people can play in multiple APA 8-ball (or 9-ball) divisions, on different nights. The scores from all their matches will be sent in to National, thus in theory affecting their Skill Level.

No idea if there are safeguards to prevent this or not. One would assume so. And why would they bother to let everyone know that it isnt going to work, this way they get an extra weeks play/pay from those who think it does help them....

Plus the fact that, iirc, they use the best 10 of your last 20 matches.

Heading up that way now. Shoot me a pm for when you'll be out n about this week and we'll try to find you some time.

 

[justadub]

Plus the fact that, iirc, they use the best 10 of your last 20 matches.

Heading up that way now. Shoot me a pm for when you'll be out n about this week and we'll try to find you some time.

Very cool!

We just had a brand new room open with seven 9-foot diamonds (and more on their way soon).....or we can play on the olhausens at our club where the drinks are cheap

Doesnt matter to me where I rack

 

[lorider]

I want to admit that I am anal about accurate score keeping...including marking safeties. However after reading some of these posts I think several are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It's really very simple....either you are attempting to pocket a ball....or not.i dont care how hard the shot is....i dont care if efren couldn't make it...if I see you are shooting.....banking.....or kicking hard enough for for the ball you are shooting at to go into a pocket....any pocket....its an offensive shot.

 

[Skippy27]

I want to admit that I am anal about accurate score keeping...including marking safeties. However after reading some of these posts I think several are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It's really very simple....either you are attempting to pocket a ball....or not.i dont care how hard the shot is....i dont care if efren couldn't make it...if I see you are shooting.....banking.....or kicking hard enough for for the ball you are shooting at to go into a pocket....any pocket....its an offensive shot.

EXACTLY!

If it is not offensive, then it is defensive and should be marked. It is as simple as that.