Dechaine

I was watching the stream when this happened. My take on this was that Rodney is more the type that just throws the balls up there and accepts that the rack isnt perfect but he plays hit the rack hard and deal with it.

Dechaine is one of the more modern players that has determined that racking the balls frozen increases wings balls and the 1 in the side, cut breaks, side breaks for wings balls, 4 ball tracks and on and on. Corey and Donny Mills are part of this group. In watching this, I didnt take away that Dechaine was being a douche or jerk, just that he was competing hard to win within the parameters of the rules. As another poster above stated, he clearly knows how to read racks and look for dead balls or alternatively when the rack is a slug.

Incidentally, later in the same match when it was Dechaine's turn to rack, Rodney stood right up close by the rack while Dechaine was racking, closely watching, which imo was more of a shark move than what Dechaine did earlier. But Rodney was not without reason to do this. He was returning the rack scrutiny and letting Dechaine know it goes both ways.

During another match Ray Hansen was doing commentary with Scott Rabon and Bigtruck said something I thought was interesting. They were talking about Alex v Dechaine where Alex was winning big and how there was a discussion going on about something. Then Alex was joking around and Dechaine was not having any part of the joking around. (of course it was alex like 8-2 or something so its easy to joke when your winning like that in a race to 9). Anyways, Bigtruck said, now Mike is very much an old school player in off the table he might like that person alot and get along with him just fine. But in competition he plays with contempt for his opponent. I think you see alot less of this open contempt nowadays, in fact alot of the new champs are like robots at the table and show no emotion win or lose. Im not sure which one i like better, sometimes I kinda like seeing the raw emotion within players leak out a bit from their game faces.
 
At the Chinook Winds Open recently Scott Frost was playing 8 Ball against Mike and Scott won the first game (break and run). Mike broke dry the second game and Scott started to run out the second game when he had to shoot over the 8 ball. When he shot over the 8 ball he touched the 8 ball with his cue when Mike called a foul on Scott. Scott told Mike that is was cue ball fouls only. Then Scott called a referee over to discuss this and was told again it was cue ball fouls only. This discussion took about 1 minute 15 seconds to rectify and it clearly put Scott out of his focus and rhythm and he didn't get out that game.

You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jL7oQ3aIPY

Please don't try and tell me that Mike didn't know the rules in this tournament. We are talking about Mike here and I am sure he knows the rules before he hits the first ball. This was clearly a sharking move and it worked.
 
I was watching the stream when this happened. My take on this was that Rodney is more the type that just throws the balls up there and accepts that the rack isnt perfect but he plays hit the rack hard and deal with it.

Dechaine is one of the more modern players that has determined that racking the balls frozen increases wings balls and the 1 in the side, cut breaks, side breaks for wings balls, 4 ball tracks and on and on. Corey and Donny Mills are part of this group. In watching this, I didnt take away that Dechaine was being a douche or jerk, just that he was competing hard to win within the parameters of the rules. As another poster above stated, he clearly knows how to read racks and look for dead balls or alternatively when the rack is a slug.

Incidentally, later in the same match when it was Dechaine's turn to rack, Rodney stood right up close by the rack while Dechaine was racking, closely watching, which imo was more of a shark move than what Dechaine did earlier. But Rodney was not without reason to do this. He was returning the rack scrutiny and letting Dechaine know it goes both ways.

During another match Ray Hansen was doing commentary with Scott Rabon and Bigtruck said something I thought was interesting. They were talking about Alex v Dechaine where Alex was winning big and how there was a discussion going on about something. Then Alex was joking around and Dechaine was not having any part of the joking around. (of course it was alex like 8-2 or something so its easy to joke when your winning like that in a race to 9). Anyways, Bigtruck said, now Mike is very much an old school player in off the table he might like that person alot and get along with him just fine. But in competition he plays with contempt for his opponent. I think you see alot less of this open contempt nowadays, in fact alot of the new champs are like robots at the table and show no emotion win or lose. Im not sure which one i like better, sometimes I kinda like seeing the raw emotion within players leak out a bit from their game faces.
David, could not agree with you more. Good stuff.
 
At the Chinook Winds Open recently Scott Frost was playing 8 Ball against Mike and Scott won the first game (break and run). Mike broke dry the second game and Scott started to run out the second game when he had to shoot over the 8 ball. When he shot over the 8 ball he touched the 8 ball with his cue when Mike called a foul on Scott. Scott told Mike that is was cue ball fouls only. Then Scott called a referee over to discuss this and was told again it was cue ball fouls only. This discussion took about 1 minute 15 seconds to rectify and it clearly put Scott out of his focus and rhythm and he didn't get out that game.

You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jL7oQ3aIPY

Please don't try and tell me that Mike didn't know the rules in this tournament. We are talking about Mike here and I am sure he knows the rules before he hits the first ball. This was clearly a sharking move and it worked.

For the record, even with cueball fouls only, that was a foul. You cannot hit another ball during your final stroke or while balls are in motion.
 
Mike Dechaine argue's more about racking than anyone else is basically due to the fact that he reads the rack better than everyone else, maybe he competes with reading the rack good with Corey Deuel, but maybe Corey sometimes let the opponent go with whatever theyre doing, but Mike is not scared to call on anyone.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that Morris is doing anything because I haven't watched the stream or match, but all I'm saying is, Mike reads the rack really well so sometimes he picks on things more than anyone else, then he calls the opponent if he believes something fishy is going on.

So maybe thats it? this explains why he argues alot about racking.

But in the end lets be honest, the break shot and racking has been a problem in the pool game forever, and this will never change unless the pool world implement a new way of either racking or breaking, and please magic rack lovers, don't tell me magic rack is helpful or fixes it, magic rack destroyed the game further.


I don't know Mike personally but I've even seen him argue with refs when they are racking and using the magic rack. Sounds like a stall/sharking tactic to me
 
I'm watching poolactiontv on the stream- and Dechaine and Morris get into an argument over the rack. Is it me or does Dechaine argue with everyone he competes with? I've seen Rodney live but not Mike-for those that have been around Mike- is Dechaine a difficult guy ?


He does it on purpose. And yes it's annoying as hell, as is he.

They should just have 'rack your own' and he won't be able to pull his standard bs.

I'm sure it's worked on a lot of league players who used to play with him when he was playing locally.
 
For the record, even with cueball fouls only, that was a foul. You cannot hit another ball during your final stroke or while balls are in motion.

On top of that, I don't think that delay broke his rhythm and cost him the game. He had a few more easy shots to warm up again and it just so happened it was tricky to get well on the two, the bump the 8, and leave it open for a pocket (with the traffic on the table). He didn't manage it.
 
Can anyone point to a rule that says all balls must be touching ?

The WPA ("world-standardized") rules for 8-Ball, 9-Ball, and 10-Ball all use the phrase "racked as tightly as possible." When a player sees certain gaps, he might reasonably feel the balls are not racked as tightly as possible.

[Oops. just saw your response, 9Ballr.]
 
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I laughed when Mike told Rodney to be a professional and not watch him rack. Rodney called him a cheater for touching the one ball after the rack was removed. Then the commentator went on to explain how touching the one ball creates spaces and wires balls into the corner. The exchange between the two was funny and the post game handshake was a real treat especially when Rodney was walking away from Mike toward the booth and said "screw him." lol.
 
For the record, even with cueball fouls only, that was a foul. You cannot hit another ball during your final stroke or while balls are in motion.

Right or wrong they allow it in all the tournaments in the Pacific NW.
 
At the Chinook Winds Open recently Scott Frost was playing 8 Ball against Mike and Scott won the first game (break and run). Mike broke dry the second game and Scott started to run out the second game when he had to shoot over the 8 ball. When he shot over the 8 ball he touched the 8 ball with his cue when Mike called a foul on Scott. Scott told Mike that is was cue ball fouls only. Then Scott called a referee over to discuss this and was told again it was cue ball fouls only. This discussion took about 1 minute 15 seconds to rectify and it clearly put Scott out of his focus and rhythm and he didn't get out that game.

You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jL7oQ3aIPY

Please don't try and tell me that Mike didn't know the rules in this tournament. We are talking about Mike here and I am sure he knows the rules before he hits the first ball. This was clearly a sharking move and it worked.

He sharked my "honorary nephew" in the same tournament, despite it being rack your own. Matt told me he was down on his break shot when Dechaine said "Hold it!"...then asked if two striped balls behind the head ball was a legal rack. Of course it's legal...but that's Dechaine, right? Easier said than done, but opponents should know he makes moves like this, and not let him get under their skin.

(edit)..this tournament was rack your own. Alternate break. Matt won the lag, broke & ran the first rack. Dechaine broke & ran the 2nd rack. It was on the 3rd rack, Matt down for his break shot that Dechaine said "Hold it!". I'm not saying Matt coulda won, but he is a good amateur who is capable of sneaking up on pros. Just ask Mika about the "logger" who beat him at the Reno bar table thing. ;) Anyway, Dechaine won 7-4, putting Matt to the losers side.
 
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Sounds pretty typical of his behavior. He has no class and without his racking shenanigans, he has fewer wins. What he does have is a lot of hot air.
 
Just to clarify, this event was (1) rack your own and (2) 9 on the spot. The wing ball was flying in the corner directly for Mike AND Rodney so there were clearly gaps for both - Mike just seemed to look for them and manufacture them by manipulating the 1 ball after the rack was removed. Rodney called him on it.


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Why not just spot any wing balls that go in? That would force them to go for the one in the side.
 
Why not just spot any wing balls that go in? That would force them to go for the one in the side.

This is a great idea.

Actually how about spotting any ball that goes in but if you make a ball you'll still stay on the table of course.

I guess that spot could get a little busy if you pocket two or three balls. But that also sometimes happens in one ball on fouls, the spot gets crowded.

I'd love to see 9 ball where all balls pocketed on the break are spotted and breaker stays on the table.
 
On top of that, I don't think that delay broke his rhythm and cost him the game. He had a few more easy shots to warm up again and it just so happened it was tricky to get well on the two, the bump the 8, and leave it open for a pocket (with the traffic on the table). He didn't manage it.

If you heard the discussion right after the foul like I did you would of probably agree with me since it did bother Scott. After the match Scott again said why did you do that to Mike.
 
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