Stroke question

9Ballr

9Ballr

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Just a quick question to the stroke experts on the forum.
As you're doing your prep strokes you pretty much reach a spot where you start going forward, my question; do you go further back on the last stroke before you shoot?

I'm asking because I do it and have been trying to stop it, but I don't know if I need to spend the time and energy stopping it.

Right now I always do 1, 2, 3 and then I go further back on the last one before I shoot, that's very natural to me.

Thanks fellers.....
 
9Ballr said:
Just a quick question to the stroke experts on the forum.
As you're doing your prep strokes you pretty much reach a spot where you start going forward, my question; do you go further back on the last stroke before you shoot?

I'm asking because I do it and have been trying to stop it, but I don't know if I need to spend the time and energy stopping it.

Right now I always do 1, 2, 3 and then I go further back on the last one before I shoot, that's very natural to me.

Thanks fellers.....
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if thats your typical preshot routine, and it is never a problem with misfires....then your fine. I will say this, the back hand doens't need to be pulled any farther back than the rear foot. No matter the stroke type.

regards,
-Greyghost
 
9Ballr said:
Just a quick question to the stroke experts on the forum.
As you're doing your prep strokes you pretty much reach a spot where you start going forward, my question; do you go further back on the last stroke before you shoot?

I'm asking because I do it and have been trying to stop it, but I don't know if I need to spend the time and energy stopping it.

Right now I always do 1, 2, 3 and then I go further back on the last one before I shoot, that's very natural to me.

Thanks fellers.....
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I've switched to no pre shot strokes.

You can not 'rehearse' what the actual stroke will be.

So, I now make just the one stroke. I've found that the still cue aids in alignment better than a moving cue.

However, I've been playing for nearly 50 years. If one is not sure of their stroke & wants to check it while moving it, I guess that is what one would do.

I would think that one would make a larger actual stroke if one was not making one of sufficient size with the pre stroke movement. How could one make pre stroke movements that are too small for the shot at hand & then make the same actual stroke for the shot & still be successful?

Just food for thought.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours... & ALL.
 
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Observe where your tip will contact the CB and that you are on your aim line on your practice strokes. If a further back stroke takes you away from either, it will not be a positive move.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I've switched to no pre shot strokes.

You can not 'rehearse' what the actual stroke will be.

So, I now make just the one stroke. I've found that the still cue aids in alignment better than a moving cue.

However, I've been playing for nearly 50 years. If one is not sure of their stroke & wants to check it while moving it, I guess that is what one would do.

I would think that one would make a larger actual stroke if one was not making one of sufficient size with the pre stroke movement. How could one make pre stroke movements that are too small for the shot at hand & then make the same actual stroke for the shot & still be successful?

Just food for thought.

All Best Wishes for You Yours... & ALL.
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how can you be in alignment with the shot, by moving the cue? At all. If your not in line when your standing up with the cue on the line.....before your down....your never going to get down at that point because the cues not in position.

So you skew positions subconsciously, things like wrist twist. and regrips and then swear you dont do this or that....which is why theres no evidence except having to pay attention to SEE your own descriptions. This is what ive been trying to tell you without even seeing you play. Only from reading your posts. Many many many people do it....my friend...good local player b/t here and florida....was doing the same thing.

you admit to playing lots of bar pool....i think its a bar pool disease...you dont see the big table players doing it the same....a big table or snooker player will be on the shot well behind the shot.....out of the box as lee brett says.

pocket humping and swinging in from the side like your iceman aint ever gonna work....even if you just do it a littel bit.

the cue should come down like occams razor....not make squigglys in the air like glow sticks at a rave.


keaw,
Grey Ghost
 
the cue is the most important part of alignment. from any perspective you could look at it in.

ffrom a cue maker machining the piece. to the work hittiting a stationary ball.

the cue. it goes on the line. if your not a pivoter because of couse things get werirdddddddddd

and it doesn't matter high or low, the arm moves the hand forward, cue goes forward on said line. cue hits ball. ball go in hole. player happy.
 
I've played on oversize 8s, 10 footers, Snooker & Billiard tables & 9' tables...

& coin tables as small as under 6 ft. I never said that I played a lot of bar pool, but I have done that too.

Moving the cue can mean 'stroking' it back & forth as in pre shot on a straight line, as I meant it, as opposed to it just sitting still on that straight line.

I was NOT talking only about myself but others that are not sure of THEIR stroke & might want to do pre shot stroking, moving the cue, before actually hitting the shot.
 
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greyghost said:
the cue is the most important part of alignment. from any perspective you could look at it in.

ffrom a cue maker machining the piece. to the work hittiting a stationary ball.

the cue. it goes on the line. if your not a pivoter because of couse things get werirdddddddddd

and it doesn't matter high or low, the arm moves the hand forward, cue goes forward on said line. cue hits ball. ball go in hole. player happy.
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Not the place to get into a discussion about it here, but just saying, the pivoters also have the same need to " put the cue on the line".
 
ENGLISH! said:
I've played on oversize 8s, 10 footers, Snooker & Billiard tables & 9' tables...never said you didn't

& coin tables as small as under 6 ft. I never said that I played a lot of bar pool, but I have done that too.sure can be

Moving the cue can mean 'stroking' it back & forth as in pre shot on a straight line, as I meant it, as opposed to it just sitting still on that straight line. i understand this, but i'm talking about standing and your talking about being down on the shot....i speak of the begining and you are only referencing the end.....alignment begins when your standing, and if your not a pivoter then your not paralleling either, corkscrewing to stay on line like a fencer striking at extension on a lunge is totally diff and happens because of minute error gaps in alignnment...the subconscious tries to mediate this by giving you jazz hands. makes players...."miss good" if there ever was such a thiing

I was NOT talking only about myself but others that are not sure of THEIR stroke & might want to do pre shot stroking, moving the cue, before actually hitting the shot.
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i'm not only talking about myself either....alot of people blame their stroke and their eyes on the same thiing.....bad alignment. and it can be really simple stuff eaisly never seen.

so your advice is to give a player that is not sure of their stroke....a stroke that they dont trust, that they think might let them down or however one could think......is" dont stroke"

sound advice i say....sound advice.

lovely advice.....lets just have players build their games built on fear....which i think they say fear is a product of ignorance, if im not correct.

-greyghost
 
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ENGLISH! said:
I've switched to no pre shot strokes.

You can not 'rehearse' what the actual stroke will be.

So, I now make just the one stroke. I've found that the still cue aids in alignment better than a moving cue.

However, I've been playing for nearly 50 years. If one is not sure of their stroke & wants to check it while moving it, I guess that is what one would do.

I would think that one would make a larger actual stroke if one was not making one of sufficient size with the pre stroke movement. How could one make pre stroke movements that are too small for the shot at hand & then make the same actual stroke for the shot & still be successful?

Just food for thought.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours... & ALL.
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ENGLISH! said:
I've played on oversize 8s, 10 footers, Snooker & Billiard tables & 9' tables...

& coin tables as small as under 6 ft. I never said that I played a lot of bar pool, but I have done that too.

Moving the cue can mean 'stroking' it back & forth as in pre shot on a straight line, as I meant it, as opposed to it just sitting still on that straight line.

I was NOT talking only about myself but others that are not sure of THEIR stroke & might want to do pre shot stroking, moving the cue, before actually hitting the shot.
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The above is what actually I said & not what another says I have said.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
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Originally Posted by ENGLISH! View Post
I've switched to no pre shot strokes.

You can not 'rehearse' what the actual stroke will be.

So, I now make just the one stroke. I've found that the still cue aids in alignment better than a moving cue.

However, I've been playing for nearly 50 years. If one is not sure of their stroke & wants to check it while moving it, I guess that is what one would do.

I would think that one would make a larger actual stroke if one was not making one of sufficient size with the pre stroke movement. How could one make pre stroke movements that are too small for the shot at hand & then make the same actual stroke for the shot & still be successful?

Just food for thought.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours... & ALL.
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Originally Posted by ENGLISH! View Post
I've played on oversize 8s, 10 footers, Snooker & Billiard tables & 9' tables...

& coin tables as small as under 6 ft. I never said that I played a lot of bar pool, but I have done that too.

Moving the cue can mean 'stroking' it back & forth as in pre shot on a straight line, as I meant it, as opposed to it just sitting still on that straight line.

I was NOT talking only about myself but others that are not sure of THEIR stroke & might want to do pre shot stroking, moving the cue, before actually hitting the shot.

The above is what I said & not what another says I have said.
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I know!!!!! my reading comprehension is excellent.
 
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9Ballr said:
Just a quick question to the stroke experts on the forum.
As you're doing your prep strokes you pretty much reach a spot where you start going forward, my question; do you go further back on the last stroke before you shoot?

I'm asking because I do it and have been trying to stop it, but I don't know if I need to spend the time and energy stopping it.

Right now I always do 1, 2, 3 and then I go further back on the last one before I shoot, that's very natural to me.

Thanks fellers.....
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It's not my place, but I apologize for the actions of another.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours.

PS I think what you're doing is 'natural' as the actual 'hit' is not being 'rehearsed' without the resistance of the ball coming into play.
 
9Ballr said:
Just a quick question to the stroke experts on the forum.
As you're doing your prep strokes you pretty much reach a spot where you start going forward, my question; do you go further back on the last stroke before you shoot?

I'm asking because I do it and have been trying to stop it, but I don't know if I need to spend the time and energy stopping it.

Right now I always do 1, 2, 3 and then I go further back on the last one before I shoot, that's very natural to me.

Thanks fellers.....
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Do it!

randyg
 
Yes you can rehearse the stroke. That's already been established. What you CANNOT do is check your alignment while moving the cue. That's not what we've been talking about here. You should be 99% done aiming by the time you set your bridge hand on the table, and push up to the CB. 99.9 % of all poolplayers, regardless of the cue sport do some sort of warm up routine...including the pros. That puts you in the severe minority Rick.:rolleyes:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

ENGLISH! said:
I've switched to no pre shot strokes.

You can not 'rehearse' what the actual stroke will be.

So, I now make just the one stroke. I've found that the still cue aids in alignment better than a moving cue.

However, I've been playing for nearly 50 years. If one is not sure of their stroke & wants to check it while moving it, I guess that is what one would do.
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I have no inclination to get into this with you.

Just because an individual says something does NOT "establish" anything even if they are a paper carrying lawyer.

Just because 99.99% of individuals do something does not mean that there is an objective universal NEED to do it.

There is nothing wrong with being in the minority. In fact it is very often a good thing to be so.

Vaya Con Dios.
 
If your aim and alignment is set once you put your bridge hand down. What are practice strokes for? For me its just to get the feel of the speed I want to stroke. I have heard of players pausing just before their forward stroke. Once you add a pause, aren't you basically doing what English suggests.

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Not the same.

Try playing with no practice stroke. (one stroke)

Even the great Earl would two stroke balls. One Practice One deliverable stroke.

It is not to say that a player cannot one stroke every shot, I knew a good player who used to but they are very much in the minority.

jburkm002 said:
If your aim and alignment is set once you put your bridge hand down. What are practice strokes for? For me its just to get the feel of the speed I want to stroke. I have heard of players pausing just before their forward stroke. Once you add a pause, aren't you basically doing what English suggests.

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How is an objective universal need different from a subjective universal need?

If you want to play one stroking balls, more power to you.



ENGLISH! said:
I have no inclination to get into this with you.

Just because an individual says something does NOT "establish" anything even if they are a paper carrying lawyer.

Just because 99.99% of individuals do something does not mean that there is an objective universal NEED to do it.

There is nothing wrong with being in the minority. In fact it is very often a good thing to be so.

Vaya Con Dios.
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