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Tony was ill and in the hospital for awhile! This illness could very easily be the reason for the delay ??? If it was and I believe that it was! Don't the OP and his friend feel like $hit if that was the case???


Why would they feel that way?

The op said
"After 8 months, agreed to refund the money but only refunded $1200 of the $2100."

Being in a hospital for a week does not justify 8 months of not refunding the money. And then refunding only about 50% with no cue.
 
No I don't see your point at all other than your point seems to be let cue makers take as long as they want regardless of what they promised and contracted for. I will never agree with you on that until the day I die.

I'm not saying that means that at a minute past midnight when the deadline passes you should necessarily rush to get a refund. It depends on how late it is, and whether there are good reasons for it. Sorry, but 8 months isn't even remotely close and there are no good reasons left any more after this amount of time. I can't fathom how anybody could find his wanting and deserving a full and immediate refund as being even the least bit unreasonable or unwarranted.

The Op never said how long the cue was going to take ,and sorry 8 months might be long for a Sneaky Pete but depending on who the cue maker is and how much work is involved it could take that or longer depending on his work load

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Tony was ill and in the hospital for awhile! This illness could very easily be the reason for the delay ??? If it was and I believe that it was! Don't the OP and his friend feel like $hit if that was the case???

This brings up a good question. What does Tony being in the hospital have to do with BernieCues and why BernieCues would be delayed if Tony doesn't have anything to do with BernieCues and isn't even aware of them?

Are you saying that Bernie was actually making Black Boar cues on Tony's behalf while he was in the hospital and that is what this cue actually is, a Black Boar with Tony's knowledge and approval? Trying to figure out what Tony's hospitalization could possibly have to do with cues that he doesn't have anything to do with?
 
The Op never said how long the cue was going to take ,and sorry 8 months might be long for a Sneaky Pete but depending on who the cue maker is and how much work is involved it could take that or longer depending on his work load

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For the most part it doesn't matter how long the build time was supposed to be. It matters how far past the due date it is, and eight months is way too long past the due date.

Maybe if it was promised to be due in ten years and it went over by eight months that might be considered a reasonable. Maybe. Probably not but you are at least getting closer to it being a reasonable overage. But anything shorter of a build time and eight months past due is inexcusable and ridiculous and unacceptable. The buyer isn't being the least bit unreasonable if chooses to get an immediate refund and move on. Not in the least. In fact he was already more patient than he needed to be or should have been.
 
Poolplaya9;5552755 Are you saying that Bernie was actually making Black Boar cues on Tony's behalf while he was in the hospital and that is what this cue actually is said:
Oh boy......even though you posed it as a question, I wouldn't even write those words due to the potential negative consequences (from rumors) for a guy that, as far as I know, has an impeccable reputation and is one of the best cue makers in history.
 
For the most part it doesn't matter how long the build time was supposed to be. It matters how far past the due date it is, and eight months is way too long past the due date.

Maybe if it was promised to be due in ten years and it went over by eight months that might be considered a reasonable. Maybe. Probably not but you are at least getting closer to it being a reasonable overage. But anything shorter of a build time and eight months past due is inexcusable and ridiculous and unacceptable. The buyer isn't being the least bit unreasonable if chooses to get an immediate refund and move on. Not in the least. In fact he was already more patient than he needed to be or should have been.

I agree 8 months is way too long past the due date, but I may have missed it but was it ever established that there was even a time frame given from the get? Also a people had a good point too, I don't really know what the % would be but often times there are restocking fees on items and maybe that's what the $900 was supposedly for ? Still a lot of unknowns, the OP shouldn't have quit his thread like he did, he should come back with a little more info since he opened this can of maggots.
 
I agree 8 months is way too long past the due date, but I may have missed it but was it ever established that there was even a time frame given from the get? Also a people had a good point too, I don't really know what the % would be but often times there are restocking fees on items and maybe that's what the $900 was supposedly for ? Still a lot of unknowns, the OP shouldn't have quit his thread like he did, he should come back with a little more info since he opened this can of maggots.

It's not even his cue. It's his friends. It's not really his place to give the info because it's not firsthand info. He said he read all of the emails and texts between the two of them, but that is still iffy.

One member earlier said they knew who the culprit was so I'm sure it's legit, but I'd like to hear from the guys friend that got stuck for $900.
 
It's not even his cue. It's his friends. It's not really his place to give the info because it's not firsthand info. He said he read all of the emails and texts between the two of them, but that is still iffy.

One member earlier said they knew who the culprit was so I'm sure it's legit, but I'd like to hear from the guys friend that got stuck for $900.

Who knows but I actually kinda took it as the OP was actually the friend - due to embarrassment, trying to be slick, whatever. Wouldn't it make more sense if it was really the OP? Like I said who knows. I'm really kinda over this whole thing already, too much unknown, too much bs.
 
I agree 8 months is way too long past the due date, but I may have missed it but was it ever established that there was even a time frame given from the get? Also a people had a good point too, I don't really know what the % would be but often times there are restocking fees on items and maybe that's what the $900 was supposedly for ? Still a lot of unknowns, the OP shouldn't have quit his thread like he did, he should come back with a little more info since he opened this can of maggots.

The fact that he says it was late clearly demonstrates that there was some kind of promised completion date, otherwise it wouldn't be late. And as I mentioned before, how long it was supposed to take isn't really important anyway. What is important is how long past the due date it is, although how late it is compared to how long it was supposed to take does make a small difference (like eight months late when it was promised for ten years is not quite as bad as eight months late when it was promised for one year although neither are acceptable).

All that being said, I just went back and reread the first post and there is a little ambiguity there. The way I first read it, and the way it still sounds like it probably means, is that it is eight months past the due date. But there is a chance that what he was trying to say was that it was late and past due date and finally after eight months from the order date is when he got fed up and wanted the refund. Like an example of that would be that the cue was promised to be delivered in four months, and it wasn't and then he got nothing but excuses for another four months before he finally got fed up. It that case it was eight months after the order date, but only four months late.

Like I said I think he meant eight months late, and either way it probably doesn't matter. Once you are real late the buyer is entitled to a full refund. It would be nice if the OP would come back and clear up the confusion though and tell us for sure how late it actually was, and maybe how long it was supposed to take since that might make a tiny bit of difference.

As for a restocking fee, you have to have taken delivery of the item and then returned it for it to need to be restocked. The buyer never even got his item (which is the whole problem) much less returned it. There is nothing to restock. Also the reason for the return has to be the buyers fault and cannot be the sellers fault. Like maybe you ordered a shirt from online and when it came it didn't fit, or you just changed your mind. Well that isn't the seller's fault so there might be a restocking fee. But say you ordered the shirt in blue but they sent a red one so you return it. Well that isn't the buyer's fault, he didn't get what he paid for, so no restocking fee. Or what if they never did send your blue shirt and after months of waiting for it you finally tell them to just forget it, you don't want it any more. Should you pay a restocking fee on the blue shirt they never did send? Of course not. And here the buyer didn't get X cue by Y date that he paid for either and it wasn't his fault, it was the seller's fault. No restocking fee.
 
The fact that he says it was late clearly demonstrates that there was some kind of promised completion date, otherwise it wouldn't be late. And as I mentioned before, how long it was supposed to take isn't really important anyway. What is important is how long past the due date it is, although how late it is compared to how long it was supposed to take does make a small difference (like eight months late when it was promised for ten years is not quite as bad as eight months late when it was promised for one year although neither are acceptable).

All that being said, I just went back and reread the first post and there is a little ambiguity there. The way I first read it, and the way it still sounds like it probably means, is that it is eight months past the due date. But there is a chance that what he was trying to say was that it was late and past due date and finally after eight months from the order date is when he got fed up and wanted the refund. Like an example of that would be that the cue was promised to be delivered in four months, and it wasn't and then he got nothing but excuses for another four months before he finally got fed up. It that case it was eight months after the order date, but only four months late.

Like I said I think he meant eight months late, and either way it probably doesn't matter. Once you are real late the buyer is entitled to a full refund. It would be nice if the OP would come back and clear up the confusion though and tell us for sure how late it actually was, and maybe how long it was supposed to take since that might make a tiny bit of difference.

As for a restocking fee, you have to have taken delivery of the item and then returned it for it to need to be restocked. The buyer never even got his item (which is the whole problem) much less returned it. There is nothing to restock. Also the reason for the return has to be the buyers fault and cannot be the sellers fault. Like maybe you ordered a shirt from online and when it came it didn't fit, or you just changed your mind. Well that isn't the seller's fault so there might be a restocking fee. But say you ordered the shirt in blue but they sent a red one so you return it. Well that isn't the buyer's fault, he didn't get what he paid for, so no restocking fee. Or what if they never did send your blue shirt and after months of waiting for it you finally tell them to just forget it, you don't want it any more. Should you pay a restocking fee on the blue shirt they never did send? Of course not. And here the buyer didn't get X cue by Y date that he paid for either and it wasn't his fault, it was the seller's fault. No restocking fee.


The more I really, really think about it - I think you are totally wrong and have no idea what you're talking about bro. I do think you honestly believe you know what you're talking about but in reality don't for whatever reason. We muse hear back from OP before we can know what's actually going on.
 
The more I really, really think about it - I think you are totally wrong and have no idea what you're talking about bro. I do think you honestly believe you know what you're talking about but in reality don't for whatever reason. We muse hear back from OP before we can know what's actually going on.

What do you think I am totally wrong about, and why do you think that? Also I have made it clear that everything I have said is based on the information at hand, and we may have wrong information or only part of the information.
 
What do you think I am totally wrong about, and why do you think that? Also I have made it clear that everything I have said is based on the information at hand, and we may have wrong information or only part of the information.

Well for starters the comments you had about me earlier CLEARLY tells me you don't really have a clue so I extrapolated that to the rest of the discussion and was able to come up with this conclussion. In fact the more I read your posts, with me, KD, and all others I seriously have doubts about your ability to comprehend simple statements. It's OK bro, I'm not mad - not everyone can.
 
Well for starters the comments you had about me earlier CLEARLY tells me you don't really have a clue so I extrapolated that to the rest of the discussion and was able to come up with this conclussion. In fact the more I read your posts, with me, KD, and all others I seriously have doubts about your ability to comprehend simple statements. It's OK bro, I'm not mad - not everyone can.

Best go back and reread then, it's not me having the comprehension problems. Seriously, go back and reread and think hard and you might get it. If you want to be more specific about what you think you disagree with I will explain it again in another way that you might get.
 
All of them. Don't see the point. Any off the shelf butt will perform as good as any other. It's all in the shaft, and there's plenty of high quality shafts to choose from.
 
Best go back and reread then, it's not me having the comprehension problems. Seriously, go back and reread and think hard and you might get it. If you want to be more specific about what you think you disagree with I will explain it again in another way that you might get.

Zzzzzz,zzzzzz, awesome post, zzzzzz,zzzzzzz. Sorry I am not going to constantly go back over old post in some kinda hope to help you understand. As I said much earlier you sir are more than entitled to your opinion and that's fine. It's all good, I'm not really concerned with it. As per the many PM'a I have rCVS there areally quite a few that agree with me that it does not seem that you have any idea what you're talking about, but that's ok. Really it is, not everyone can. This rehashing of stuff already understood by most is making me sleepy sorry. If you post anything intelligible I might respond .
 
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