Rules question

[JC]

10 ball BCA rules. Player A is tied up and shoots the hanging 10 ball in taking an intentional foul. Neither player respots it and player B takes ball in hand and notices after shooting two balls in.

What happens to this rack?

Please answer if you know for sure, I already heard a bunch of rail birds opinions when it happened.

Thanks,

JC

 

[greyghost]

10 ball BCA rules. Player A is tied up and shoots the hanging 10 ball in taking an intentional foul. Neither player respots it and player B takes ball in hand and notices after shooting two balls in.

What happens to this rack?

Please answer if you know for sure, I already heard a bunch of rail birds opinions when it happened.

Thanks,

JC

hummm i have no idea...if i were gambling i would make em do it like one pocket and spot it up after they miss! lmfao

 

[Bob Jewett]

10 ball BCA rules. Player A is tied up and shoots the hanging 10 ball in taking an intentional foul. Neither player respots it and player B takes ball in hand and notices after shooting two balls in.

What happens to this rack?

Please answer if you know for sure, I already heard a bunch of rail birds opinions when it happened.

Thanks,

JC

You can find this in the CSI/BCAPL rules which are on-line, but you have to look in the "Applied Rulings" section. There it says on page 104:

4-5 Continuing Play
Rule 4-5-1-b: If the 10-ball is illegally pocketed but not noticed by either player, and any shot is taken before it is noticed, the game will be re-played with the player who broke breaking again.​

 

[greyghost]

You can find this in the CSI/BCAPL rules which are on-line, but you have to look in the "Applied Rulings" section. There it says on page 104:

4-5 Continuing Play
Rule 4-5-1-b: If the 10-ball is illegally pocketed but not noticed by either player, and any shot is taken before it is noticed, the game will be re-played with the player who broke breaking again.​

awe comon.....i want to see the look on their faces when I tell them it spots after they shoot lol

 

[JC]

Thanks Bob,

I couldn't recall where to find it.

JC

 

[Skippy27]

You can find this in the CSI/BCAPL rules which are on-line, but you have to look in the "Applied Rulings" section. There it says on page 104:

4-5 Continuing Play
Rule 4-5-1-b: If the 10-ball is illegally pocketed but not noticed by either player, and any shot is taken before it is noticed, the game will be re-played with the player who broke breaking again.​

Surely the player that intentionally shot it in noticed he did so. Not that the other player shouldn't have noticed either because he was paying attention to the game, but surely there is some kind of sportsmanship violation here on the player that shoot it in and then let the other player continue on.

 

[pt109]

Surely the player that intentionally shot it in noticed he did so. Not that the other player shouldn't have noticed either because he was paying attention to the game, but surely there is some kind of sportsmanship violation here on the player that shoot it in and then let the other player continue on.

I like the sanity of the snooker approach to these problems....
...it is up to the incoming player to see that the table is in order.

 

[GideonF]

Surely the player that intentionally shot it in noticed he did so. Not that the other player shouldn't have noticed either because he was paying attention to the game, but surely there is some kind of sportsmanship violation here on the player that shoot it in and then let the other player continue on.

I agree that the ruling speaks of "noticing", but at least as described by the OP, it sounded to me like they noticed it but forgot to re-spot it. I think it should be treated in the same fashion as failing to notice it. I can see this happening, where Player A sinks the 10 early and returns to his seat assuming Player B will re-spot it and Player A doesn't pay attention to notice that Player B didn't do so.

I hear you on the problem if a player let this happen intentionally, but how do you distinguish between the player forgetting to re-spot and the player intentionally saying nothing knowing it has not been re-spotted?

I like the ruling, and would assume it should also apply to 9b as well.

 

[JC]

I agree that the ruling speaks of "noticing", but at least as described by the OP, it sounded to me like they noticed it but forgot to re-spot it. I think it should be treated in the same fashion as failing to notice it. I can see this happening, where Player A sinks the 10 early and returns to his seat assuming Player B will re-spot it and Player A doesn't pay attention to notice that Player B didn't do so.

I hear you on the problem if a player let this happen intentionally, but how do you distinguish between the player forgetting to re-spot and the player intentionally saying nothing knowing it has not been re-spotted?

I like the ruling, and would assume it should also apply to 9b as well.

I could see the player who shot in the 10 ball intentionally and not spotting it using the rules to their advantage. Shoot the 10 ball in and walk away from the table while handing the cue ball to the other guy who has ball in hand. If you get lucky and the other guy shoots before he spots it then you can get a re rack and perhaps have a better chance than you had in the existing game. Especially if you were the original breaker you will break again. You will go from a sure loss to back at the table. Sleazy move but what could be done about it if you are successful in getting him to shoot?

JC

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

IT was noticed ................

You can find this in the CSI/BCAPL rules which are on-line, but you have to look in the "Applied Rulings" section. There it says on page 104:

4-5 Continuing Play
Rule 4-5-1-b: If the 10-ball is illegally pocketed but not noticed by either player, and any shot is taken before it is noticed, the game will be re-played with the player who broke breaking again.​

The player who shot the ball in illegally knew !

 

[JC]

The player who shot the ball in illegally knew !

So did the other player. He watched it happen. In the heat of the moment they both just forgot to spot it. If the player who shot it in had other motives he probably wouldn't have waited until the other player shot in 2 balls and noticed himself. At the time of the foul there were six balls left including the 10. It just happened, like things do.

JC

 

[Bob Jewett]

Surely the player that intentionally shot it in noticed he did so. ....

Right, so the rules interpretation would be clearer if it said "... and the players fail to spot the ball before continuing play ..." without mentioning anything about "noticing".

 

[JC]

Right, so the rules interpretation would be clearer if it said "... and the players fail to spot the ball before continuing play ..." without mentioning anything about "noticing".

I think you can notice something and yet a moment later not connect it to the appropriate response even if you know what that is. In fact I know that because I was involved in that game. I was player B and player A's buddies insisted it was a foul on me. Player A made an honest oversight as he looked very surprised when I said we needed to spot the 10 after I shot the 5 and 6 and realized the ten wasn't on the table. It was a pretty tense set at that moment as he had missed the 10 ball the game before to win the set and I was now apparently going to win it.



JC