To get down to the bottom of this, maybe you should go around asking all the guys you see in Massachusetts about the deal. Surely one of them remembers. Walmart probably has a lot of them. Start there.
Have you known the butt of a cue 2 slightly warp in transit (through USPS 4 example)?
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To get down to the bottom of this, maybe you should go around asking all the guys you see in Massachusetts about the deal. Surely one of them remembers. Walmart probably has a lot of them. Start there.
justinb386
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I did not file a complaint. I did contact the seller on the next day after I received the cue, as soon as I had the chance to check it out. The seller does not want to give me a refund on the cue (I am assuming), or he would have offered that option to me . He blames the weather changes (during transit ) for the warp in the cue, and told me that it will eventually straighten out again. I told him that I did not think it would.
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justinb386
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I am sorry, I do not know what the slate line means. Is there a part of the slate that is not level for rolling cues, to check for straightness ?
Cues spend the great majority of their time inside our temperature (and humidity) controlled homes and that is almost certainly where a cue was spending time right before it was shipped. Cues in shipment spend a good portion of the time in shipment in warehouses, planes and trucks that are not temperature or humidity controlled. If the outside temperatures and humidity during shipment are significantly different than the inside of a house then yes it can cause cues to warp, usually just temporarily until the cue has been able to spend a little time inside a temperature controlled home again.
The cue will play just fine exactly like it is. That warp will never affect the play and the person using will never be able to tell it is there while playing with the cue.
That amount of warp will definitely affect the resale value compared to what it would sell for if perfectly straight. How much it affects it all depends on the person buying and how picky or lenient they are.
Assuming the cue has had time to acclimate back to a temperature controlled environment the video is clear. That cue is not straight when rolled on a table like it was apparently advertised to be. Whether it left the seller's hands straight or not who knows but it certainly didn't get to the buyer straight. We all agree that it is reasonable for people to get what was advertised and get what they paid for and that clearly didn't happen here. Hopefully they can work something out that they both feel is fair. Whenever something is clearly not as advertised the buyer should also always have the option to return it for a full refund and the seller should cover all the shipping expenses both ways too.
Not liking the hit or stiffness of a cue is almost always the buyer's risk to assume and live with. They should have no recourse for not liking any of those things even if the buyer described them differently than the seller experiences them because we all know how highly subjective those things are. When you don't like the hit, or feel or stiffness of a cue that you buy without trying it first then tough luck for you unless the buyer specifically said they would take a return for any reason or if you didn't like the hit, feel, or stiffness.
The cue will play just fine exactly like it is. That warp will never affect the play and the person using will never be able to tell it is there while playing with the cue.
That amount of warp will definitely affect the resale value compared to what it would sell for if perfectly straight. How much it affects it all depends on the person buying and how picky or lenient they are.
Assuming the cue has had time to acclimate back to a temperature controlled environment the video is clear. That cue is not straight when rolled on a table like it was apparently advertised to be. Whether it left the seller's hands straight or not who knows but it certainly didn't get to the buyer straight. We all agree that it is reasonable for people to get what was advertised and get what they paid for and that clearly didn't happen here. Hopefully they can work something out that they both feel is fair. Whenever something is clearly not as advertised the buyer should also always have the option to return it for a full refund and the seller should cover all the shipping expenses both ways too.
Not liking the hit or stiffness of a cue is almost always the buyer's risk to assume and live with. They should have no recourse for not liking any of those things even if the buyer described them differently than the seller experiences them because we all know how highly subjective those things are. When you don't like the hit, or feel or stiffness of a cue that you buy without trying it first then tough luck for you unless the buyer specifically said they would take a return for any reason or if you didn't like the hit, feel, or stiffness.
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justinb386
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Yeah, no need to spend 2k on a cue for it to be perfectly straight. Even the $100 Dale Perry cues that I had in the past rolled just fine (straight) on a pool table.
I do not know how cue makers build a cue to have a perfect taper through the entire cue, to make it roll perfect on a table, but for some reason, most do roll just fine without any roll out.
I can imagine how the taper of a forearm could cause a cue to not look right when rolled , and I have seen it before (for example, on an old Abe Rich cue from the 70s, that had a out of the ordinary taper in the forearm , that caused it to not look straight when rolled).
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justinb386
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You know, if I am so bad for the forum, then whoever has the power, they should ban me. I may ask a lot of stupid questions (and act like a cry baby at times), but at least I have never ripped anyone off on here. At least I do not insult anyone, or troll peoples threads. I imagine there must be much worse posters then me on here.
You were joking? I was mapping out my strategy and I was gonna take your suggestion to start at Massachusetts Walmarts. I figured I would sort them by type so I'd first concentrate on the ones wearing the big hats with the buckles on them.
@bubba, I'm happy to know we are okay. Also nice to know that you took care of biz properly. :thumbup:
best,
brian kc
you make a good point here, Justin.
I would take a quirky, OCD fellow like yourself every time over a ripoff artist.
I know your response above was to cueenvy but I'll take this as an oppty to dial back my earlier comment regarding your 'being banned for nittiness'. Just like when we walk into pool rooms where there's lots of diverse personalities, we shouldn't expect any different here on our virtual pool room.
There has been some good advice for you in this thread, imo, and I especially agree with the suggestions about your having a cue in hand to inspect prior to purchasing to avoid disappointment.
I didn't look at the video you posted but will say that if you bought a cue that was described as being straight and it did, *in fact*, arrive warped, then regardless of whether it's the 3rd time or the 30th time, it should get taken care of.
imo
best,
brian kc
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Justin....instead of asking 1000 questions about cues, and telling us what you don't like about a cue, perhaps you could give us some guidance as to what you're looking for in a cue? I've seen you ask a ton of questions about different manufacturers, and who makes a stiff cue, and who makes a skinny butt, etc, but I have yet to hear what YOU actually like in a cue.
So, how about you help us help you? What do you want in a cue? Weight? Balance? Design? How much do you want to spend? What kind of taper do you want? What type of wrap? Don't tell us which cue you used to like. Tell us the playing characteristics of the player you'd like. Spare no detail - the more, the better. But instead of forming your opinions on AZB consensus, how about you tell us what you're looking for? This isn't a shot at you. I want to help you out. And I don't want to have to endure 50 more "what's your opinion?" posts of yours, regarding cues.
So, what are you after?
So, how about you help us help you? What do you want in a cue? Weight? Balance? Design? How much do you want to spend? What kind of taper do you want? What type of wrap? Don't tell us which cue you used to like. Tell us the playing characteristics of the player you'd like. Spare no detail - the more, the better. But instead of forming your opinions on AZB consensus, how about you tell us what you're looking for? This isn't a shot at you. I want to help you out. And I don't want to have to endure 50 more "what's your opinion?" posts of yours, regarding cues.
So, what are you after?
He is looking for:
A steal on a cue
He doesn't have much money
He doesn't travel to test the sticks so the transaction has to be through the mail.
Whatever cues have been sent are not up to par ever, and there are allegations of not being honest about the state of the stick.
A steal on a cue
He doesn't have much money
He doesn't travel to test the sticks so the transaction has to be through the mail.
Whatever cues have been sent are not up to par ever, and there are allegations of not being honest about the state of the stick.
Cue flipper
Justin is a want a be cue flipper without a lathe, buy cheap and resale hi.
Profit is his motive.
Personally I don't understand why he just doesn't reverse the paypal charge send the cue back and be done with all this drama .
Jim Baxter has a bad heart ...... and I can fully understand him not wanting to enter into any kind of online pissing contest .
Crap like this most likely makes his heart go nuts .
I have done business with Jim a couple of times , never a issue .
Jim's I trader rating 400 plus transactions with 100 % customer satisfaction is almost impossible.
And as a friend I will say he don't always answer his phone.
I don't why everyone expects perfect condition 2nd hand pool cues, bit its a pipe dream 90% of the time .
Anyone selling cues to someone who is trying to resale the cues is going to be tough business .
Cues need to be as close to perfect as possible and they have to be whole sale or cheaper to make a profit.
This wasn't a collectors cue and I think the cue was bought for resale .not his as a personal player.
That is what Justin is doing, doesn't take a way from he fact that the cue is warped.
Justin is not a factory rep for any cue maker ............
He has no choice but to bottom feed on the cues he can get his hands on because he cannot pre order them , buy wholesale at commercial customers discounted price.
My point is, entering into a business like this , how could Justin or Jim Baxter or any cue flipper not run into issues with cue warping .
Expect it, deal with it in a professional manner, don't air out your dirty laundry.
Anyone wants to be a respectable 2nd hand cue flipper handle business of this nature completely different .
None of us have done over 400 positive AZB transaction with a 100 % customer satisfaction like Jim Baxter has ...........
If I sent a cue out, that I rolled before I shipped I thought the cue was straight when I shipped it, then yes I would ask the customer to hold on to the cue just for a week just for the benefit of maybe Jim did roll the cue before shipping and maybe it really did warp in shipping.
Isn't that allot of positive reputation on Jims part to give up on a 300.00 cue after years of being right on top of his business.
And to be honest doesn't sound logical for any business person with that kind of customer satisfaction rating ...
Justin is a want a be cue flipper without a lathe, buy cheap and resale hi.
Profit is his motive.
Personally I don't understand why he just doesn't reverse the paypal charge send the cue back and be done with all this drama .
Jim Baxter has a bad heart ...... and I can fully understand him not wanting to enter into any kind of online pissing contest .
Crap like this most likely makes his heart go nuts .
I have done business with Jim a couple of times , never a issue .
Jim's I trader rating 400 plus transactions with 100 % customer satisfaction is almost impossible.
And as a friend I will say he don't always answer his phone.
I don't why everyone expects perfect condition 2nd hand pool cues, bit its a pipe dream 90% of the time .
Anyone selling cues to someone who is trying to resale the cues is going to be tough business .
Cues need to be as close to perfect as possible and they have to be whole sale or cheaper to make a profit.
This wasn't a collectors cue and I think the cue was bought for resale .not his as a personal player.
That is what Justin is doing, doesn't take a way from he fact that the cue is warped.
Justin is not a factory rep for any cue maker ............
He has no choice but to bottom feed on the cues he can get his hands on because he cannot pre order them , buy wholesale at commercial customers discounted price.
My point is, entering into a business like this , how could Justin or Jim Baxter or any cue flipper not run into issues with cue warping .
Expect it, deal with it in a professional manner, don't air out your dirty laundry.
Anyone wants to be a respectable 2nd hand cue flipper handle business of this nature completely different .
None of us have done over 400 positive AZB transaction with a 100 % customer satisfaction like Jim Baxter has ...........
If I sent a cue out, that I rolled before I shipped I thought the cue was straight when I shipped it, then yes I would ask the customer to hold on to the cue just for a week just for the benefit of maybe Jim did roll the cue before shipping and maybe it really did warp in shipping.
Isn't that allot of positive reputation on Jims part to give up on a 300.00 cue after years of being right on top of his business.
And to be honest doesn't sound logical for any business person with that kind of customer satisfaction rating ...
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