Fargo Breakdown - Singles @ BCAPL Nationals

sbpoolleague said:
Close but you have to divide the difference by the 9-ball total

(759 / 311) * 100 = 244% increase
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Yes, my math does suck! :) Even computers don't help.

Watchez you said dates of the tournament were also a factor. Is it because it was moved to July or something else?
 
Masseyman said:
Yes, my math does suck! :) Even computers don't help.

Watchez you said dates of the tournament were also a factor. Is it because it was moved to July or something else?
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No because the 9 ball singles is first, then the 8 ball singles, then teams. If you play in all of that, it is 12 days in Vega$ which is a bit much for most.
 
mikepage said:
Well, yes and no.

We are not very accustomed to seeing the skill differential between bottom and top of any tournament.

This gap of 85 points is
about the gap between Brandon Shuff and SVB
about the gap between Jennifer Barretta and Karen Corr

In other words, there is a clear favorite in the match, but the opponent is not in the no-chance territory. And keep in mind this is the worst-case scenario for a match.
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We are not talking about Brandon Shuff, SVB, Barretta or Corr. We are talking about the skill level of a 527 player and a 611 player. I'm willing to bet in a race to 5, alternate breaks, 8 ball on a bar table -- Shuff will beat SVB more times than a 527 player will beat a 611.

I would like to see what the breakdown would have been for the 1070 entrants if it was 214 people per tourney (20% in each) as I suggested. I bet it would be much even and more people would be happy -- both in the skill level of a possible opponent along with the payout of any of the tournaments someone was slotted to. Of course, that would take on running 5 tournaments instead of 4 so maybe that is why they didn't do it. I would have worked a little harder and done it.
 
I am becoming more of a believer in FargoRate but --

Find a 450, I'll find a 535

Find a 527, I'll find a 612

Find a 785, I'll find a 700

I'll bet whatever you want that my 535,612,700 win more sets than your 450,527,785 ....because the skill level difference is not as great, the higher you go in ranking.
 
watchez said:
We are not talking about Brandon Shuff, SVB, Barretta or Corr. We are talking about the skill level of a 527 player and a 611 player. I'm willing to bet in a race to 5, alternate breaks, 8 ball on a bar table -- Shuff will beat SVB more times than a 527 player will beat a 611.
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That is incorrect. The whole structure of Fargo Ratings and in fact any ELO-based scheme is a particular rating gap means the same thing wherever you find it.
 
watchez said:
I am becoming more of a believer in FargoRate but --

Find a 450, I'll find a 535

Find a 527, I'll find a 612

Find a 785, I'll find a 700

I'll bet whatever you want that my 535,612,700 win more sets than your 450,527,785 ....because the skill level difference is not as great, the higher you go in ranking.
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I think I understand what your are getting at;

The ability for a player to "Get out" increases exponentially with rating.
Even though all 3 matchups are a 3-5 race (85 point spread), if in a level tournament (5-5 race);
A. the 535 will win over the 450 80% of the time
B. the 612 will win over the 527 60% of the time
C the 785 will win over the 700 50% of the time

Yes... No?
 
Masseyman said:
I think I understand what your are getting at;



The ability for a player to "Get out" increases exponentially with rating.

Even though all 3 matchups are a 3-5 race (85 point spread), if in a level tournament (5-5 race);

A. the 535 will win over the 450 80% of the time

B. the 612 will win over the 527 60% of the time

C the 785 will win over the 700 50% of the time



Yes... No?
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Mike just answered above.


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mikepage said:
That is incorrect. The whole structure of Fargo Ratings and in fact any ELO-based scheme is a particular rating gap means the same thing wherever you find it.
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You're nuts. Shuff vs SVB, race to 5 alt break bartable 8ball could come down to one to two mistakes.

A 527 is the equivalent of a C+player in NYC. A 611 would be a good A player. The A player could possibly make a mistake in almost every rack and still win.


I understand this is your baby but if you want to improve it, you should be a little more open minded.
 
These numbers are a guess for illustration purposes but to me, it seems as the Mike Page doesn't care about offensive firepower at all... but he should. Especially in Watchez example, with alt break on a bar box. The reality is, once you hit a certain level, the difference between short stop and top pro could come down to a couple rolls in a short race.

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The mathematically challenged will never understand, Mike. In time people will come around.

99% of golfers do not understand the math behind their handicap system yet they all believe it and use it. Give it a few years.
 
sbpoolleague said:
The mathematically challenged will never understand, Mike. In time people will come around.

99% of golfers do not understand the math behind their handicap system yet they all believe it and use it. Give it a few years.
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I'm still learning numbers. I'm confident I can count to 100 and possibly higher with some practice.
 
cleary said:
You're nuts. Shuff vs SVB, race to 5 alt break bartable 8ball could come down to one to two mistakes.



A 527 is the equivalent of a C+player in NYC. A 611 would be a good A player. The A player could possibly make a mistake in almost every rack and still win.





I understand this is your baby but if you want to improve it, you should be a little more open minded.
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Now I know why A,B, and C shouldn't be used

I am a 531 and I doubt I would be called a C player in our area.


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robsnotes4u said:
Now I know why A,B, and C shouldn't be used

I am a 531 and I doubt I would be called a C player in our area.


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What would you be called?

Based on the local people I've looked up on the site, an A player around here hovers around the 600 number. Some higher, some lower with not a lot of matches. A 531 seems like a C+ or low B
 
Masseyman said:
I think I understand what your are getting at;

The ability for a player to "Get out" increases exponentially with rating.
Even though all 3 matchups are a 3-5 race (85 point spread), if in a level tournament (5-5 race);
A. the 535 will win over the 450 80% of the time
B. the 612 will win over the 527 60% of the time
C the 785 will win over the 700 50% of the time

Yes... No?
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I think this is what he is saying. But it is wrong. The ratings are determined such that these are equal. That is what the optimization does.
 
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